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The Boston Crab

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #120 on: January 23, 2010, 06:12:46 pm »
Even I'm excited by it reading these posts and I didn't even like that clip very much!

COME ON CHRIS

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #121 on: January 23, 2010, 06:39:02 pm »
I think the big fellow is Nigel Lindsay, his delivery is perfect. I loved the clip, I've watched it quite a few times. It is does feel like a comedy Christmas eve waiting to hear more people who have seen it.

I noticed on the aspecialthing.com forum that YoungAmerican Jesse Thorn is attending the premier and is trying to get an interview, interestingly he mentions that Morris is only letting people request interviews after they've seen the film.

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #122 on: January 23, 2010, 08:40:13 pm »
Love that clip, the big guy steals it. Hopefully that's not one of the funniest moments in the film, and it's one they can show without revealing any plot points.

By tomorrow morning we'll know the reaction to it, and as it's being premiered in the States, where CM is far less well known - perhaps the critics response may be more objective than it would be in the UK. Hope we get to hear some honest, analytical interviews with him too.

Been gagging to see this ever since I first heard about it, and have faith in CM not to let us down.

Bring it on, baby.

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #123 on: January 23, 2010, 09:05:29 pm »
Honestly all the praise for this clip, and for Bellamy's People, you guys just love everything

The Boston Crab

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #124 on: January 23, 2010, 09:11:48 pm »
Just watched it again, the shakycam stuff didn't distract me but I still noticed that it wasn't just on the camcorder shots.

Don't quite get what YOU LOT are enjoying quite so much but good to have a bit of a buzz about the Moz Moz again, anyway. I just want some funny fucking lines for a decade's change.

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #125 on: January 23, 2010, 09:12:17 pm »
http://www.film4.com/features/article/chris-morris-on-four-lions

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Director Chris Morris, in conversation at the Sundance Film Festival, answers questions about new comedy Four Lions, which premieres at Sundance

How did the film come about?
I was reading about a plot to ram a US warship. In the dead of night with the target moored just offshore, the cell assembled at the quayside, slipped their boat into the water and stacked it with explosives. It sank.  I laughed.  I wasn't expecting that. You know the Hamburg cell was lead by Mohamed Atta - but did you know he was so strict that the other plotters called him "the ayatollah"? That every time he formed an Islamic discussion group he was so critical he fired them all within a week? The unfathomable world of extremism seemed to contain elements of farce.

Cases in the high court and meetings with Muslims only confirmed the impression. People go to training camps in the wrong clothes, forget how to make bombs, fight with each other and then fight again over who just won the fight, volunteer for the mujahedeen and get told to go home and "do the knitting".  They talk about who's cooler - bin Laden or Johnny Depp. The more I looked, the more reality played against type. Then the penny dropped. A cell of terrorists is a bunch of blokes. A small group of fired up lads planning cosmic war from a bedsit - not a bad pressure cooker for jokes.

 
What interested you about the subject matter and why did you want to make it.
Well the subject matter is turning a massive global wheel at the moment. How could you not be interested? Once you've had your preconceptions flipped - and discovered it can be funny too, how could you not make a film about it?


How much of the film is based on real events and situations you discovered through your research?  Are there any scenes which are actual recreations?
No actual recreations - though sometimes it was tempting. Sometimes reality was almost too ridiculous. Like the jihadi who disguised himself as someone from MI5 to try and trick his parents into letting him go to Pakistan. I heard a surveillance recording of two suspects in the middle of the night. These guys have had 600kilos of fertiziler in a lock up for two months. The 17 yr old wakes up the 20 yr old and says "brother - that fertilizer's not for gardening is it?" Moments like that can work as a starting point. They give you a clue about the set up of the group - who keeps what from whom - who's on the ball and who's not.   


Did you have any advisors attached to the film?
A crew is always a committee of advisers - design, photography etc - and our crew was superb - but if you mean a specific  "cultural adviser" on the team then no. Often a production will have a rather bolted on "cultural adviser".  I figured if I didn't know something then I'd better go and find out the answer first hand.  And for that I needed help from all sorts of people. As a result I built up a network of friends and contacts with different specialties and they helped introduce me to ex fighters, secret services etc... So we ended up with a network of absolutely essential guides. The most indefatigable of them became permanent members of crew - and worked as producers - helping out with every aspect of production. The film simply wouldn't have been possible without them.


Did you have any difficulties raising the finance to make the film and get a producing partner on board? Did you make any concessions?
Considering how much it's influencing the world at the moment, people know incredibly little about this subject.  When it came to funding, a lot of people were unable to think beyond their jumpy gut reaction.  The people who ended up funding the film were those who could spot the difference between what we were doing and the desire to cause trouble.  They could see the film was not racist, was not attacking a culture, but may just be suggesting that killing people is not a good idea. So we made no concessions. Anyone who wanted to "change the ending" got very short shrift.


Do you think people will feel you are trying to shock and offend? Might they feel you are mocking Islamic beliefs?
Only if they haven't seen the film. You might use shock to mock overblown public attitudes to things that don't matter. But terrorism does matter.  We're trying to make you laugh - to entertain - to surprise - to move even.  You don't have to mock Islamic beliefs to make a joke out of someone who wants to run the world under sharia law but can't apply it in his own home because his wife won't let him. About someone buying bomb making materials and then forgetting how to make a bomb. About someone performing elaborate "anti surveillance" techniques including running in circles and wearing a cowboy hat - in full sight of two surveillance teams. Or indeed about an intelligence officer setting up a surveillance station in the boot of a car - which is then jacked by joy riders.

An tSaoi

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #126 on: January 23, 2010, 09:41:05 pm »
Hmmm... he really praises all the people collaborating the project; a million miles away from the old "shuts himself in a room away from every one else" idea of the man.

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #127 on: January 23, 2010, 09:55:58 pm »
True, but it's impossible to shut yourself in a cupboard when making a film*, so his comments aren't that unexpected.

* This is possibly the most insightful thing I've ever said on this board.



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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #129 on: January 23, 2010, 10:22:15 pm »
True, but it's impossible to shut yourself in a cupboard when making a film*, so his comments aren't that unexpected.

Yes, and you can still glimpse evidence of his control freakery (yay!) in the section which also conspicuously fails to mention him having to run to a gossip site for fan funding.  I wonder what the actual story was, there - it all seemed very half-hearted and unconvincing.  Perhaps it all happened as stated, but I doubt the situation was ever as bleak as was made out...perhaps it was just a way of gauging (and raising) interest in order to gather a bigger pool of backers to select from? 

Thanks Clint.

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #130 on: January 23, 2010, 10:23:19 pm »
Don't quite get what YOU LOT are enjoying quite so much but good to have a bit of a buzz about the Moz Moz again, anyway. I just want some funny fucking lines for a decade's change.

I think we're all just very pleased to see it contains proper jokes, and not just a series of infantile non-sequiters like Barley. It contains gags that are actually funny. Not mind-blowing stuff - but as a very brief glimpse of what we can expect, it's much more encouraging than anything we knew previously. Jokes written by a man who used to be the funniest man on British TV or Radio (or possibly two of the best writers of the current generation) are better than any number of shitty Brooker-esque non-jokes.

Its not without flaws. The camera didn't bother me; but I remain slightly worried about the naturalistic stop-starty performances, which did seem a bit too close to Barley, and that period of awful British comedy. But crucially there were a handful of good, well structures lines in there. And thats reason enough to be encouraged.

Couple that with the fact that this is a forum of people who at one point or another have adored the work of Morris, and desperately want him to be great - or even good - again, and its hardly surprising we're all giddy with excitement suddenly.

Personally I think its wonderful that we're excited by a Morris project, after what feels like so long dreading them. I want a few days of feeling like that kid at Christmas, however silly or misplaced that might turn out to be.       

rudi

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #131 on: January 23, 2010, 10:29:43 pm »
... or there's the fact we've all only seen a tiny bit which is, fairly undeniably, pretty funny...?

eluc55

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #132 on: January 23, 2010, 10:36:50 pm »
... or there's the fact we've all only seen a tiny bit which is, fairly undeniably, pretty funny...?

Aha. but my lovely smooth chested rudi, the question was why we're enjoying it SO much, rather than just a little a bit, as your own "pretty funny" comment suggests.

I was just trying to point out reasons why people might be so enthusiastic after such a brief clip. And I do honestly think that, for me at least, the reasons I suggested are all contributors to my suddenly being so excited about something which previously I was very dubious about.   

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #133 on: January 23, 2010, 10:40:11 pm »
Oh sure, whereas I was just suggesting why there's such a near uniformity of "like" responses with little to differentiate between them: too little to go on for people to add much, nor to add shades to grey to the like/not like duality.

The Boston Crab

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #134 on: January 23, 2010, 10:40:51 pm »
I wasn't having a moan, by the way, just wondering what I was missing from that clip. I totally agree that there is a shift towards something with much more potential than anything he did in the past decade.

And yep, reason to be positive.

eluc55

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #135 on: January 23, 2010, 10:41:51 pm »
Rudi...if you didn't hate Dr Who, I would kiss you where you stand.   

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #136 on: January 23, 2010, 10:42:55 pm »
Could we at least share a small sherry?

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #137 on: January 23, 2010, 10:56:53 pm »
No problem, Ballard, Neil.

The really interesting parts of the Q&a are

The more I looked, the more reality played against type. Then the penny dropped. A cell of terrorists is a bunch of blokes. A small group of fired up lads planning cosmic war from a bedsit - not a bad pressure cooker for jokes

So we made no concessions. Anyone who wanted to "change the ending" got very short shrift.

Presumably it's playing right now in Utah.

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #138 on: January 23, 2010, 11:31:18 pm »
By tomorrow morning we'll know the reaction to it, and as it's being premiered in the States, where CM is far less well known - perhaps the critics response may be more objective than it would be in the UK. Hope we get to hear some honest, analytical interviews with him too.

http://www.salon.com/entertainment/movies/sundance_film_festival/?story=/ent/movies/film_salon/2010/01/22/sundance_2

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Other high-profile foreign flicks include French provocateur Gaspar NoƩ's "Enter the Void," reported to be a hallucinatory, violent journey through the mind of a dying drug dealer, and Chris Morris' "Four Lions," a ruthless farce about homegrown British Islamic terrorism. I am sworn to secrecy on the last film until its premiere, but let's just say OMFG.

An tSaoi

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #139 on: January 23, 2010, 11:36:24 pm »
Ooh I'm all a-quiver.

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #140 on: January 23, 2010, 11:46:43 pm »
Would anyone be up for a CaB meet of sorts on the day of the release? It'd be good to see it in the company of a load of Morris fans, perhaps in a nice arthouse cinema like the Barbican or the Ritzy in Brixton, and to get nerdy about it in a nearby pub afterwards. Seriously, would anyone be up for it?

I liked the clip, it looks promising. Not as promising as the In The Loop clips looked, but better than I had expected, and I love the pointless bickering taking precedence over the more serious matter of the bomb plot. It's quite Pythonesque really, the terrorist cell reminds me of the People's Front of Judea.

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #141 on: January 23, 2010, 11:48:06 pm »
That'd be a great idea BJ. I'd never be able to make it, but I love the idea of loads of VWs seeing it for the first time together. MAKE IT HAPPEN.

rudi

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #142 on: January 23, 2010, 11:49:59 pm »
SLEEPOVER AT ON TEE'S; PASS IT ON

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #143 on: January 23, 2010, 11:56:30 pm »
Nah, I can't make it to Oireland. A sleepover in my tiny flat perhaps? We'd get mistaken for a terrorist cell.

Do we know who the distributor is yet? Will it be getting a proper release or an In The Loop-style one? The meet will probably have to be in London.

On that subject of In The Loop, those of you following Armando Iannucci on Twatter will know that he's seen the film and likes it.

rudi

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #144 on: January 24, 2010, 12:06:10 am »
On that subject of In The Loop, those of you following Armando Iannucci on Twatter

As long as you have a heartbeat and post on here I have no need to! ;-)

sick as a pike

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #145 on: January 24, 2010, 12:11:44 am »
Don't think this review has been linked to yet:

edit: sorry; SPOILER DANGER:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/24/chris-morris-four-lions
« Last Edit: January 24, 2010, 12:31:53 am by sick as a pike »

Clint Hollow

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #146 on: January 24, 2010, 12:25:44 am »
Thanks Sick As, though I got a couple of lines in and it does include spoilers (of some description) so decided not to continue reading.

Just a warning.

(If anybody else links to articles or reviews and they have read them, can they please mention if they have plot points or not)

rudi

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #147 on: January 24, 2010, 12:26:29 am »
Even that contained too much in the way of spoilers. I think I'm going to have to avoid all but the most anodyne of reviews, aren't I? But am I capable of that? Gahhhh!

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #148 on: January 24, 2010, 12:29:21 am »
The ending's ruined for me now. Thanks Nick Fraser, you cunt.

Clint Hollow

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Re: Four Lions to premiere at Sundance
« Reply #149 on: January 24, 2010, 12:36:35 am »
That sucks Ant, sorry you had to read whatever you did.

For the sake of everyone who hasn't read the article can this thread be empty of spoilers (or at least hidden by black spaces)

I'm actually thinking about not even reading this thread from now until I've seen the fucking thing, as it only takes one tosser to ruin the film.

 

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