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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2010, 04:18:55 pm »
Gah! Pretty disappointed to find out this is based around transcripts, like that Bill Hicks book 'Love All The People' I suspect there's not much point in reading the routines as text on a page. Might be one to rent for the other bits rather than buy, then.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2010, 08:17:01 pm »
Transcripts?  Hmmm.

Has S. Lee ever gone on record about Blackadder or The Young Ones? 

He spoke about The Young Ones in a mid-nineties interview or magazine piece I read somewhere, in order to illustrate the decline of Rik Mayall who'd just done Bring Me the Head of Mavis Davis. He said he liked it and, I think, suggested that it was a formative comedy influence.  Perhaps he sees Mayall and Mayer as the brains behind it. I agree that Elton's done enough (very, very) good work to forgive his recent output, but I wouldn't be surprised if Lee had always had a problem with his 'Thatch'-bashing stand-up persona.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2010, 08:25:12 pm »
He spoke about The Young Ones in a mid-nineties interview or magazine piece I read somewhere, in order to illustrate the decline of Rik Mayall who'd just done Bring Me the Head of Mavis Davis. He said he liked it and, I think, suggested that it was a formative comedy influence. 

I've imagined since first seeing 'Man Behind The Green Door' that Kevin Turvey was a big influence on Lee and Herring. Bits of the monologues from 'A Kick Up The Eighties', especially when Turvey's pedantry ties him up in logical knots, are very reminiscent of stuff that both of them went on to do.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2010, 09:57:50 am »
Play.Com have just sent me an email saying that my copy of this has been posted already.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2010, 10:27:46 am »
Got mine yesterday after pre-ordering it from amazon. It looks fantastic, and my initial worries about it just being a script book were put to rest by the (extensive) annotations. Great to see the backstory behind the routines I know so well. There are some other nice bits of writing linking the 3 sets which is a nice touch. I can't wait to get stuck in.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2010, 11:21:37 am »
My understanding of Mr. Lee's hatred of Ben Elton is that it's based on the disappointment of discovering that a comedy hero of your youth actually represents everything you despise in life and comedy.

But I might be wrong. I don't know him.

Although I did see him at the fantastic Giant Sand gig last week. He appears to have lost height.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2010, 01:16:04 pm »
Got mine yesterday after pre-ordering it from amazon. It looks fantastic, and my initial worries about it just being a script book were put to rest by the (extensive) annotations. Great to see the backstory behind the routines I know so well. There are some other nice bits of writing linking the 3 sets which is a nice touch. I can't wait to get stuck in.

I was going to post but you said exactly what I was gonna. I really enjoy his prose style and I will buy more of his books now.

Also, that review on the other page seems to miss the point. Despite mentioning his 'working class roots', he's obviously being self-deprecating in daring to display that particular badge. He takes the piss out of the mere idea of dodging reality like that.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2010, 01:35:19 pm by The Boston Crab »

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2010, 04:36:25 pm »
This is wonderful so far. I did find getting through the intro slightly awkward given the obscenely lengthy footnotes (some go on for 3 pages plus!) though in hindsight perhaps it is designed this way in order to get the reader accustomed to the format the rest of the book is in.

This bit about the dumbing down of Alternative Comedy in the '90s is ace:

Quote from: Stewart Lee
I am always pleased whenever the opportunity arises to say onstage that I don't like sport and have no interest in it. In the early nineties, style magazines, nascent lads' mags and Sunday supplements were thrilled when the 'alternative' comedians like David Baddiel, Rob Newman and Frank Skinner began talking about football in their comedy routines in Alternative Comedy clubs, at the Edinburgh Fringe and on Radio 4 and BBC2, where previously football would have been considered of no interest or relevance. Soon there was Fantasy Football, a low-fidelity television comedy series that applied the sort of irreverent, witty and intelligent humour usually reserved during the period for the subjects of politics, pop, sex and drugs to football, raising the bar considerably in an area in which Jimmy Hill had previously been thought of as a great wit.

But the floodgates were open, and try as he might, with his considered BBC2 series and public love of Samuel Johnson, Frank Skinner could never get the djinni back in the bottle. Football fans and so-called 'new lads' began to feel welcome at once 'alternative' comedy venues, in their Ben Sherman shirts, and within five years the comedy counter-culture which our illustrious eighties stand-up comedy forebears shed blood to build, in the post-punk shadows of fat working men's club comics and elitist Oxbridge satirists, was destroyed. Suddenly, sport-loving scumbags began to comprise a significant percentage of any comedy audience. I think it was Fantasy Football and the introduction of football as a subject into Alternative Comedy that ultimately destroyed the values and the unrealised artistic potential of the Alternative Comedy community which I so desperately wanted to contribute to as a teenager. Indeed, all responsibility for the collapse of the entire sixties, seventies and eighties counter-culture in Britain can probably be extrapolated from Fantasy Football and laid at the door of Baddiel and Skinner, who shared a flat, and presumably a door, at the time.

Rob Newman subsequently recognised the monster he had helped to create, and tried to make amends for his crimes. By the end of the decade Newman had changed his name by deed poll to Robert Newman and retreated from the front line to become a humble aesthete, quietly trying to save the world with his thoughtful and moving live shows, and with a carbon footprint the size of an ant's. But in contrast, today David Baddiel and Frank Skinner have massive luxury homes on the moon and their own private spacecraft made of gold and seal fur. The rest of us, who wanted Alternative Comedy to offer us merely the chance to subsist in an endless utopia of CND benefits and Women Only Cabaret Nights, have only shattered memories and shat-upon dreams.

When I was fourteen, I had a massive poster on my wall of a giant pop-art mouth advertising a Swiss exhibition of abstract art. My friends and family mocked my pretention, but I loved that poster and th ehope it offered of an exciting world of thought beyond the boundaries of stifling Solihull. But one day the poster fell off the wall and the dog pissed all over it, ruining it for ever, while my mother laughed. That poster is what the Alternative Comedy dream meant to me - the possibility of a better world. And now it is covered in dog's piss.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2010, 04:45:17 pm »

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2010, 04:49:37 pm »
^ Fuck, that would have been a far less time-consuming way to do it. But yes! I loved that Linehan dig. There's a satisfying dig at Mitchell & Webb, too, for writing a "piss-weak" parody of the Mighty Boosh in one of their cash-in books, and at Ricky Gervais for stealing Lee's entire act.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2010, 04:55:21 pm »
Quote from: Stewart Lee
sport-loving scumbags

Whadduc cunt.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2010, 05:32:03 pm »
There's a satisfying dig at Mitchell & Webb, too, for writing a "piss-weak" parody of the Mighty Boosh in one of their cash-in booksng Lee's entire act.

Which I consider the single best thing they've done. In fact, the execution, fine though it is, is neither here nor there. Just doing something like that at all is enough.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2010, 05:38:18 pm »
Heh, you think? Even if it's not funny? They're not such an untouchable, universally-loved target, are they, the Boosh? Perhaps I underestimate their popularity. I remember Simon Amstell, at least, mocking their lazy surrealism on Buzzcocks, when the one who isn't Julian Barratt was on it.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2010, 05:47:06 pm »
Is Lee ever right?

Oh, there was that outburst on Heresay and...

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2010, 06:13:53 pm »
Is Lee ever right?

I've just bought tickets for a pro-Palestinian benefit gig he's doing.

There must be catch somewhere.

<Checks e-mail again>

Gah!  It's only been organised by the bleeding Jews!

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2010, 06:20:51 pm »
My favourite bit is when he mentions "that idiot on Cookd and Bombed (sic)".

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2010, 06:26:57 pm »
CaledonianGonzo - Euro Jews or Middle Eastern Jews? Ne'er the twain y'know.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2010, 06:31:03 pm »
Is Lee ever right?

What about that stuff about deliberately alienating himself from the crowd because chummy acceptance is 'cheap'? Isn't that one of your own bugbears?

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #49 on: July 27, 2010, 06:31:47 pm »
My favourite bit is when he mentions "that idiot on Cookd and Bombed (sic)".

I don't suppose he mention's a specific poster? Otherwise that could refer to anyone.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2010, 06:33:25 pm »
TinyPoster - he must mean the Dr Who fans, don't they know it's for kids? Hardly the complete works of William Blake is it? Or maybe he meant the "scumbag"s, there's lotsa sportsfans here. Or perhaps it's folks who 'd enjoy the Boosh being mocked by superior comedians, oh, that's almost everyone here. He'll have to narrow it down a bit.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2010, 06:33:34 pm »
The one who "wilfully misconstrues whatever (I) do".

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2010, 06:35:19 pm »
The one who "wilfully misconstrues whatever (I) do".

I see. PPHM, you must feel so honoured.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #53 on: July 27, 2010, 06:37:45 pm »
Seem the
CaledonianGonzo - Euro Jews or Middle Eastern Jews? Ne'er the twain y'know.

Seems that the twain sometimes shall:

http://jfjfp.com/

http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/

(from http://www.thestand.co.uk/listings.aspx)

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2010, 06:43:15 pm »
What about that stuff about deliberately alienating himself from the crowd because chummy acceptance is 'cheap'?
Isn't that one of your own bugbears?

That wasn't his crowd though. And no, performing in a country who've been fucked over by his own country for a thousand years, and choosing to do anything other than champion a man who died fighting the invading army is a tad cuntish in my book.

He isn't bigging up audience diversity, it seems he's moaning about it.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2010, 06:45:17 pm »
CG - there's a push to segregate Israeli classrooms on the grounds I mentioned. So enjoy it while it lasts.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2010, 07:33:05 pm »
That wasn't his crowd though. And no, performing in a country who've been fucked over by his own country for a thousand years, and choosing to do anything other than champion a man who died fighting the invading army is a tad cuntish in my book.

He isn't bigging up audience diversity, it seems he's moaning about it.

Sorry, I was referring to the first page jutl posted, not the second. He makes a general statement on deliberately distancing himself from the crowd with arrogance. Nothing to do with Scotland.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2010, 07:33:39 pm »
That wasn't his crowd though. And no, performing in a country who've been fucked over by his own country for a thousand years, and choosing to do anything other than champion a man who died fighting the invading army is a tad cuntish in my book.

He isn't bigging up audience diversity, it seems he's moaning about it.

actwithoutwords was referring to the previous scan - the bit about him hoping to create a distance between the audience, by stating that he's arrogant.  EDIT:  Oh, as he's just clarified.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2010, 07:58:41 pm »
Oh I see, soz folks. I didn't think of that section immediately because it seemed irrelevant to Stewart Lee July 2010, because that's not what happens now, is it? It might've been the case yonks back, when he was beginning a solo career. But for a decade or more his audiences have generally known exactly who is, what he's about and, cheap or not, they like him.
The Heresay outburst was fantastic but it wasn't his audience.

I'm not blaming Lee for failing to alienate his audience aka 'the converted', but he might've mentioned how much more difficult it is to surprise or challenge an audience nowdays as they more or less know what to expect from him.

BINGO! He's right about the word "man" further down same scan.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2010, 08:10:33 pm »

 

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