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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2010, 08:16:30 pm »
Message boards indeed. Watch 'im Bridget.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2010, 08:23:12 pm »
Hey can someone accuse Lee of being a hypocrite for marrying someone who worked for the celebrity section of the daily mail for a few years, that'd be goood. Be sure to attack Bridget a lot as well, she's clearly evil for doing such a thing.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2010, 08:25:31 pm »
she's clearly evil for doing such a thing.

I wouldn't say she was evil but anyone who works/worked for The Daily Mail is a cunt.  No?

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #63 on: July 27, 2010, 08:27:09 pm »
Hey can someone accuse Lee of being a hypocrite for marrying someone who worked for the celebrity section of the daily mail for a few years, that'd be goood. Be sure to attack Bridget a lot as well, she's clearly evil for doing such a thing.

I didn't know that! I don't think your pre-emptive-ness absolves her either. I'm with DM, she's a cunt (who should be TICKLED).
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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #64 on: July 27, 2010, 08:27:31 pm »
Clearly people still heckle Lee - as many in this thread have mentioned - so that gives lie to the bnpphm's assertion that he's only playing to his sycophants these days.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #65 on: July 27, 2010, 08:42:13 pm »
I wouldn't say she was evil but anyone who works/worked for The Daily Mail is a cunt.  No?

Well... I wouldn't call Peter Cook that, myself, I must admit.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #66 on: July 27, 2010, 08:44:34 pm »
Or Keith Waterhouse.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #67 on: July 27, 2010, 09:02:21 pm »
Cook's been called a cunt more often than he's been called a Daily Mail journalist.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #68 on: July 27, 2010, 09:08:53 pm »
She's written a self-flagellating show about her time for the DM, and she usually includes the 'prostitute' line in her stand-up sets.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #69 on: July 28, 2010, 12:07:41 pm »
She's written a self-flagellating show about her time for the DM, and she usually includes the 'prostitute' line in her stand-up sets.

She was only following orders for money. Personally, I'd be less annoyed by her if she was actually any good.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #70 on: July 28, 2010, 04:53:58 pm »
How is he a hypocrite for something his wife did?

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #71 on: July 28, 2010, 07:18:54 pm »
Well I was joking.

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Re: Stewart Lee's Comedy Vehicle Series 2
« Reply #73 on: July 29, 2010, 08:28:31 pm »
Mr Lee was on Radio 4's Front Row an hour or so ago (couldn't find any mention of it on here), talking about his new book which explains all his tricks and techniques apparently. The idea is that this will force him to things differently from now on. Also comedy timing and the Boosh.

Listen again.

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Re: Re: Stewart Lee's Comedy Vehicle Series 2
« Reply #74 on: July 29, 2010, 08:57:20 pm »
Vegetable Stew will be at the Town Hall in Birmingham (UK) on Saturday 16th October. Saw Milder Comedian there last November, so looking forward to this one too.

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Re: Re: Stewart Lee's Comedy Vehicle Series 2
« Reply #75 on: July 29, 2010, 09:43:04 pm »
the Boosh.

Quote from: Stewart Lee (14.30ish in)
...they're (the Mighty Boosh) are sort of like free jazz drummers...

So he knew all along who the jazz comedians are. He don't half spin a yawn.


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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #76 on: July 29, 2010, 11:52:24 pm »
*Yawn*

Anyway lee appears to be doing a live webchat on the times website at 11am today. Although I'm guessing that will mean paying the times registration fee to access it.
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Re: Stewart Lee's Comedy Vehicle Series 2
« Reply #77 on: July 30, 2010, 11:02:14 am »
Mr Lee was on Radio 4's Front Row an hour or so ago (couldn't find any mention of it on here), talking about his new book which explains all his tricks and techniques apparently. The idea is that this will force him to things differently from now on. Also comedy timing and the Boosh.

Listen again.

I look forward to that, of the 4 hourlongs I have seen, I loved 2, enjoyed 1 and hated 1, but even when he is truly on, his incredibly mannered use of rhythm and repetition can get frustrating.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #78 on: July 30, 2010, 12:15:36 pm »
lee appears to be doing a live webchat on the times website at 11am today.

Thanks very much for the heads-up on this, worth a quid registration to occupy me for an hour at work.

I have uploaded the chat here for anyone interested to read without paying anything http://www.sendspace.com/file/dobz27 - my questions were asked using my secret identity, Keef.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #79 on: July 30, 2010, 12:20:53 pm »
I have uploaded the chat here for anyone interested to read without paying anything http://www.sendspace.com/file/dobz27 - my questions were asked using my secret identity, Keef.

Marvellous, thank you.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #80 on: July 30, 2010, 12:21:58 pm »
Thanks, buntyman.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #81 on: July 30, 2010, 12:28:34 pm »
Yeah, thanks a lot Bunt-o, very kind of you.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #83 on: July 30, 2010, 05:43:46 pm »
Thanks and thanks!

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #84 on: August 02, 2010, 10:56:35 am »
There's a satisfying dig...  at Ricky Gervais for stealing Lee's entire act.

Interestingly I didn't read that as a dig at Gervais at all. He seems to go to some length to make clear that he in no way thought that Gervais had stolen his material, act or persona, and in fact seems very complimentary about Gervais and his work. And isn't it fair to say that even if Gervais did take some inspiration from Lee (which seems at least partly likely, given Gervais' regularly praising of Lee), then Stewart himself did pretty much the same thing in adopting at least parts of the acts that inspired him - Chippington, etc?

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #85 on: August 02, 2010, 10:57:27 am »

Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #86 on: August 02, 2010, 11:28:35 am »
Another Chortle extract -

http://www.chortle.co.uk/features/2010/08/02/11480/stewart_lee%2C_master_of_the_insects

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Here, in our final extract from his book How I Escaped My Certain Fate, Stewart is describing his idea to perform as an insect, costume and all, after being asked to appear at Pestival, an annual gathering of entomologists.

I think, looking at it now, that like many things in my shows, this insect idea also has its roots in a conversation with Simon Munnery.

For one of the Cluub Zarathustra cabaret shows, Simon had come up with the idea of an insect comedian of some sort. There was a precedent for this in his work. During the Edinburgh Fringe in 1990, I had helped Simon experiment in an onstage collaboration with a worm by driving him to Mike’s Tackle Shop in Musselburgh, where all kinds of worms were commercially available in large quantities.

As Simon’s proposed act involved the worm being publicly slain, I overcame my ethical opposition to this by suggesting that rather than being dug up from the Scottish earth, the worm should be purchased from somewhere where it would otherwise have been sold to a fisherman, who would only have impaled it on a hook and fed it to a fish anyway. Normally, I don’t think I could have countenanced assisting someone in slaughtering a worm in the name of entertainment, but I had recently read Hemingway’s persuasive 1929 book on bullfighting, Death in the Afternoon.

In Death in the Afternoon, Hemingway convinces the reader that the artistry of the bullfight is so great that we can spare a few bulls and discount their pain. As a toddler I remember being taken to a bullfight in Spain by my mother and amusing the locals by cheering for the bull to kill the man, and I put a load of slides my father had taken of the event down the toilet in protest, but Death in the Afternoon swung me, albeit temporarily. And I was convinced that whatever the comedy genius Simon Munnery had in mind for the worm, it would at least be the match of the artistry of the capering Spanish butchers. And certainly, the tiny hangman’s gibbet that he was constructing out of balsa wood in our flea-infested Edinburgh flat was a work of art in itself.

Simon was booked into the Fringe Club that night, a massive space in the student-union building. Back when the Fringe was run on dole cheques and goodwill, before the money men moved in, the Fringe Club offered free showers, free poster space and free nightly entertainment to masses of ungrateful people drunk on subsidized booze. Simon took the stage in the persona of The League Against Tedium, a top-hatted dictator character given to highly quotable and unforgettable aphorisms, usually about his superiority to all other living things, and a kind of right-wing mirror image of his earlier Alan Parker Urban Warrior incarnation. I don’t remember it going especially well that night, but by the end of Simon’s allotted time his failure was sealed.

In an attempt to display his superiority to worms, The League Against Tedium took the worm and tied it with cotton to the gibbet, which was set on a table front-lit by a powerful lamp that back-projected the shadow of the worm’s wriggling body 30ft high onto the rear wall of the venue. Then, to a cacophony of boos and jeers, and the sound of women bursting into tears, The League Against Tedium took a pair of scissors and ceremoniously snipped the worm in two, the half of its body that remained tied to the worm-gibbet jerking spasmodically in confusion and discomfort.

Hemingway convinced me that bullfighting was worth a few worms. But as he exited through the back entrance of the building, to escape a crowd baying for his blood, Simon Munnery had not convinced me that he was worth even one worm.

For the Cluub Zarathustra insect act, five years later, Simon suggested putting an insect in a tank and pretending it was a comedian, though at no point was killing it in public ever discussed. I thought the insect should be as big an insect as possible, like a stick insect or a praying mantis, and that it should have some kind of mini-microphone stand in the case. Simon wanted to get the comedian Jeff Green to voice the insect’s act from offstage, whilst a camera relayed footage of the insect onto a big overhead screen.

Jeff’s act at the time was composed of good-natured laddish bits on everyday experience. I think Simon just wanted Jeff to do his actual act, and for that to be the stand-up act of an insect, whereas I wanted to write something like the act I ended up doing here in 41st Best Comedian. But we both agreed that for some reason, Jeff Green’s voice, a high and keening Scouse falsetto which was instantly likeable, would be the ideal voice for the tiny insect comedian.

Well, of course, like so many things, this never came to anything, but there are morphic resonances of it throughout British comedy ever since, of which my own attempt at observational insect stand-up is but one. My wife Bridget Christie, entirely unaware of the Jeff Green/Stick Insect idea, has recently been appearing around London in a home-made ant costume – not onstage, though – just for her own amusement. And when I was script-editing Harry Hill’s shows for Channel 4 in the late Nineties, the floppy-collared loon™ became fascinated by the comic possibilities of flies, filling miniature television studios, sealed inside Perspex tanks, with hundreds of them, specially bred from sacks of maggots which were delivered at the start of shooting.

I contacted Harry through his spokesman to ask him for his memories of the fly skits, and this was the reply I received: ‘The fly thing is a while ago but I believe it to be my idea. The first one was The Fly Cruise and we also did Play Your Cards Right. I can’t really remember. I think we did about five and that Al Murray did the buzzing noises of the flies.

‘The flies were supplied by an animal wrangler who had to get the maggots at the right stage to hatch in time for the show. Although the mini sets were filmed under Perspex boxes inevitably a lot of the flies got out and then turned up on the set for the recording of the stand-up sections of the show which led to many retakes being needed.’

Thanks, Harry!

It was the job of our director, the old-school BBC bow-tie-and-moustache man Robin Nash, to try and film convincing light-entertainment-style footage of the massed flies. Robin was mentioned earlier in this book, as it was he who insisted on splitting Queen’s ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ into two parts when he produced Top of the Pops because he thought it too long for television. Perhaps Nash was being punished by the ghost of Freddie Mercury, now an actual lord of the flies with power over insect life, by being made to film his unruly subjects.

For the fly sketches it was difficult for Robin, even with many years of experience filming Pan’s People and Legs & Co., to get what we television professionals call ‘singles’, which are shots of performers in isolation from their fellow actors. The flies had proven resistant to direction, and many of them had died and were just lying in a heap. To this day I remember Robin standing in the gallery and tearing his hair out in rage as he bellowed to the camera operators on the studio floor, ‘No, on his face! On the fly’s face!!’

TV’s Harry Hill takes up the tale: ‘I too remember Robin shouting “No! On the fly’s face!” And also, one of the first things I ever saw at the Edinburgh Fringe festival was Simon Munnery at the Fringe Club cutting a worm in half and I remember being quite shocked by it. I think he was booed off. That same night I saw one of my future managers heckling an Asian woman in a wheelchair by shouting “Sad fuck!” It was the year of Newman and Baddiel. All the flies are dead now.

Warming to his insect theme, Harry continues: ‘I recently resurrected the fly thing and did insect EastEnders on TV Burp, my multi-award-winning ITV show. It was a proud moment – an all-insect-acted sketch on ITV prime time. Oh my! If you’d told me that I would be doing that 30 years ago when I originally thought of insect-acted sketches I would have collapsed in a big old heap of laughter.

Dear readers, despite it mentioning Hemingway and describing the execution of a worm, this footnote has been the most showbiz section of this book so far. I bet you liked it.
I'm not sure why I keep reading these, I've got a copy of the fucking thing at home in convenient 'book' form. And I'm enjoying these extracts, and I'm looking forward to reading it, and just as an object it's hugely satisfying - but I've not started it yet because my boyfriend got me this and I've been enjoying that instead.


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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #87 on: August 02, 2010, 12:13:13 pm »
Interestingly I didn't read that as a dig at Gervais at all. He seems to go to some length to make clear that he in no way thought that Gervais had stolen his material, act or persona, and in fact seems very complimentary about Gervais and his work. And isn't it fair to say that even if Gervais did take some inspiration from Lee (which seems at least partly likely, given Gervais' regularly praising of Lee), then Stewart himself did pretty much the same thing in adopting at least parts of the acts that inspired him - Chippington, etc?

Most of these things you say are true, although I don't believe Lee owes as much of a debt to Chippington as Lee suggests Gervais does to him. This is what he says...

Quote from: Stewart Lee
The first time I was informed that I had copied Ricky Gervais was at The Amused Moose in Soho, sometime in late 2003 or early 2004. A mother and her daughter, who had enjoyed my set but never seen me before, said that I was 'clearly very influenced by Ricky Gervais', with the implication that they had rumbled me and I really ought to find my own shtick. Then it happened again two or three times. And then I started to wonder why Ricky was always praising me to the skies in interviews, and so I took up an offer of tickets to his new show at the Bloomsbury Theatre.

I sat there, dumbfounded. It wasn't that Ricky was the same as me. He wasn't. And I'm not saying he had copied me. There wasn't a single line that exactly duplicated anything I'd ever done. But Ricky had the calmness, and the way of offering up contentious ideas as if they meant nothing and were merely idle thoughts, that I felt was a hallmark of my work, and which had always made it such a difficult fit for mainstream audiences at populist clubs. And there was enough coincidental overlap, in terms of tone and subjects I might cover - Aesop's fables, a long routine on 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' - to mean that now Ricky was a big name, I could understand why the casual viewer would mistake me for an imitator of his approach.

...and you're right, he makes it quite clear he's not accusing Gervais of plagiarism. Personally, I'm just not sure I believe he means it, that's all. [Edit: Could be my inherent disliking of Gervais shining through, I suppose.]

I don't think he's a "cunt," though.
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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #88 on: August 02, 2010, 12:44:53 pm »
Really enjoyed this book and it left me wishing there was a section for milder comedian as well. It's clear the Lee cares about comedy and he can write about it in a very funny and interesting way. And there are some very good anecdotes in there as well. And it really makes me want to see Sean Lock's penis and vagina shaped poo routine

I don't think Lee wants to be Ted Chippington, I think he even says he realised at some point he still wants to go down with the audience. He wants to get laughs and wants most of the material to go down well. But with regards to whether or not he's just playing up to a safe audience of like minded people, it's clear he wants to challenge his audience (and even talks about deliberately trying to lose an audience to see if he can win them back again) sometimes and I think it seems to him that to be able to do that, you need a certain kind of audience that are open to being challenged. There's a certain kind of audience that I think won't be up for that who have very low expectations about what comedy can be. And I think it's fair enough to want try and put these people off because they won't be interested. He even says now he has a child he understands it can be difficult for some people arranging a night out and so he doesn't want to waste their time giving them something they wouldn't be interested in, which I think is fair enough.

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Re: New Stewart Lee Book [split topic]
« Reply #89 on: August 02, 2010, 02:36:46 pm »
he makes it quite clear he's not accusing Gervais of plagiarism.
This wasn't so clear when he created a page on his website named 'Plagiarists' Corner' and included footage of Gervais amongst other alleged offenders.

 

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