Topic: Big Brother 2010

[Ja'moke]

Somebody just posted on DS - "KEEP WATCHING AFTER THE CREDITS HAVE ROLLED. Trust me"

No idea what.

It might be the montage were they show all the empty rooms with echoey quotes from all series?

He's boring. He's so camp he's barely real. He's more like a Little Britain caricature than an actual person. It's a carefully considered, "outrageous" persona and as such he comes over to me as fake and not trustworthy.

But he was exactly the same in BB2. There are a lot of housemates that put on a persona, Brian Belo the main culprit, but I don't think Brian Dowling is one. Yes, he plays up to the cameras somewhat, but that is just an exaggeration of his personality, not a false personality. I think he's a great housemate and a deserving winner.

[massive bereavement]

The house is blown up and as the smoke clears, Jade appears resurrected from the rubble.

[Ciarán]

Come on, he's just a good bloke. That might be "obvious" but so what? He's fun, and funny, and thoroughly deserving (i.e. as deserving as Nikki.)

[Lee Van Cleef]

He's fun, and funny

I just don't see this.  I found Nick and Victor funny and fun to watch.  Brian just bores me in the same way Michael Ball does.

[Ciarán]

He looks VERY SLIGHTLY LIKE Michael Ball, but he riled Chantelle over Preston in just the right way. And he was funny when he stubbed his toee. He was perceptive in that he could spot a BB ruse a mile off. He got on with everyone in the house without making much effort. He's just a funny bloke. It would be good to hang around with him.

[Lee Van Cleef]

Did they just blackball Marcus or something?

I'm actually feeling a bit sad now...

[Ciarán]

I'm delighted to see Davina get her moment in the sun because she has just been great.

[papalaz4444244]

I just don't see this.  I found Nick and Victor funny and fun to watch.  Brian just bores me in the same way Michael Ball does.

I agree again. Brian didn't DO anything or engineer entertainment and reacted to all situations in an identical way.

No surprises. No sense of "oooh what will he do next?" He was just..... there.

No for me.

[Ciarán]

Who would have got a YES from you papalaz4444244? And why? And no, I'm not reading back over the whole thread. :-) I'm imagining you liked Victor, because he was an ORGANISER OF MAYHEM! A Situtaionist!

[Ja'moke]

I'm glad they brought the echoey montage back, and so happy it included Science's "Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb, and Tweedle Twat!"

[Lee Van Cleef]

"I am the irrepressible dark horse!"

Indeed.

Damn, what am I going to do with my summers now?

[Ja'moke]

"Big Brother will get back to you."

Cliff-hanger...!

[Neil]

Come on, he's just a good bloke. That might be "obvious" but so what? He's fun, and funny, and thoroughly deserving (i.e. as deserving as Nikki.)

A one-horse race isn't terribly exciting, though. I agree, he's nice, yes.

[papalaz4444244]

Who would have got a YES from you papalaz4444244? And why? And no, I'm not reading back over the whole thread. :-) I'm imagining you liked Victor, because he was an ORGANISER OF MAYHEM! A Situtaionist!

Yes. Victor and Nick were the most entertaining for me because they didn't trawl out a melodramatic back story, they didn't moan about missing their families every five minutes and they treated UBB as a TV show and consciously attempted to make it entertaining for the live feed audience. (Although the producers elected NOT to show this during the shows and concentrated on crying, depressed women being comforted by Brian etc...)

[TIAL]

"Big Brother will get back to you."

Cliff-hanger...!

Isn't Richard Desmond thinking of buying it for Channel 5?

[Ja'moke]

Isn't Richard Desmond thinking of buying it for Channel 5?

Yeah, there's been rumours for a while, some say the deal has already been made, others say that the deal fell through...I guess we wait and see.

[Ciarán]

I think the whole shebang (Big Brother 2000-2010) was served well by the final. You had great people in it - the best people. And when it came down to it, in the final three just lovely warm characters remained. I think it made for a good rejoinder to those people (like myself 5 years ago) who said BB was a nasty, good for nothing, brainless TV show. The Great British public ultimately plumped for a lot of decent people (I know C4 picked the UBB finalists, but still the nice people won through) - what a great reflection on the British public. They like NICE people!

[TIAL]

Yeah, there's been rumours for a while, some say the deal has already been made, others say that the deal fell through...I guess we wait and see.

Seemed like tonight was really the end. I don't know how it'd be received if it came back. Surely it'd either have to drastically change and not catch on because it'd be so different or stay the same and seem old.

[Ja'moke]

Seemed like tonight was really the end. I don't know how it'd be received if it came back. Surely it'd either have to drastically change and not catch on because it'd be so different or stay the same and seem old.

Yes, it would need a massive overhaul if Five were to buy it, they could perhaps try the American model, they've implemented certain aspects over the last couple of series, Head of House and Save & Replace, but I'm not sure if it would catch on.

I'm not sure if I'd like to see it continue, in a way I'm interested to see what another broadcaster and new production team could do to reinvent the format, but then on the otherhand I think tonight was a good ending, and it should be laid to rest.

[Neil]

The show always ends with the nicest people, as the negative voting stages weed out the ones intended to be baddies.

Much as I love it, I do hope it's just left now, instead if the indignity of being relaunched on C5.

[papalaz4444244]

I think FIVE would be fucking overjoyed to get 2M viewers every night and selling the advertising slots that go with it.....

[massive bereavement]

I hope it does come back next summer (on C5) because there’s no World Cup or Euro’s in 2011.

[Ja'moke]

I think FIVE would be fucking overjoyed to get 2M viewers every night and selling the advertising slots that go with it.....

Exactly, that's why I think there is a strong chance they buy it. Even if it drops to 1.5mil, that is still great for them, and as you say, the money they could make on advertising. Richard Desmond did say it was on his "shopping list", it just depends if they can come to an agreement I suppose.

[TIAL]

they could perhaps try the American model, they've implemented certain aspects over the last couple of series, Head of House and Save & Replace, but I'm not sure if it would catch on.

What are the differences between the US and UK versions? The small amount of US BB I've seen was heavily edited and with a background soundtrack. Not sure the UK audience would buy that at all, but that was years ago so it may have changed.

[Ja'moke]

What are the differences between the US and UK versions? The small amount of US BB I've seen was heavily edited and with a background soundtrack. Not sure the UK audience would buy that at all, but that was years ago so it may have changed.

It still has the incidental music (which you may have noticed, BBUK has started doing in recent series) and is heavily edited, they only have three highlight shows a week, so obviously have to cram more stuff in. But the main difference is the format; no public evictions, the housemates control the game. First of all, nominations can be openly discussed. Each week there is a Head of Household competition, the winner becomes HoH and has the power to nominate two housemates for eviction. Later in the week there is a Power of Veto competition, six housemates compete in this task (the HoH, the two nominees, and three other housemates selected at random), the winner of the Veto has the power to remove one of the nominations, if the Veto is used the Head of Household must immediately name a replacement nominee. At the end of the week, the rest of the housemates (bar the HoH and the two nominees), go to the Diary Room and vote out one of the nominees.

So it's much more of a gameshow, where the housemates are out to win. The strategic element is why I'm a big fan, the manipulation and the alliances, it's great fun (although this current season has been a dud). It does still include the normal human interaction element though, it just isn't focused on as much in the highlight programmes, but the live feed is usually very entertaining.

[papalaz4444244]

I'm sure public voting would be retained, because it could be another source of income for FIVE (or whoever)

[Ja'moke]

I'm sure public voting would be retained, because it could be another source of income for FIVE (or whoever)

Yeah, I don't see them doing away with that. They may do the BB Brasil format which is a combination of both formats. I'd also like to see a Vote to Save adopted.

[Ambient Sheep]

I have to say that I was wanting it to continue, Richard Desmond or no, but after tonight's send-off, I'm really not sure any longer, because that really was an excellent ending.

However the argument for Channel 5 to take it on is fairly compelling, as one commentor on this Guardian article (that I think was linked to earlier in this thread) points out, in the same vein as Ja'moke's post above:

It makes total business sense for them to buy it. It's guaranteed viewers in excess of 1.5 million every night in during the otherwise poorly rated summer months, something that Five can barely achieve in the winter, this means they can heavily promote other shows on the channel to a steady and relatively young audience; their 6:30 problem could well be solved by Big Brother's Little Brother which would probably average about 0.5 million, not great but much better than Studio Five; they would have hours and hours of live and spin-off coverage for their currently loss-making digital channels; there's the possibility of making hundreds of thousands of pounds from phone calls, live feed subscriptions, text games during live coverage and the website; a guarantee of increased publicity for the channel; and of course oodles of content to fill Desmond's terrible but highly distributed newspapers. All of this for what will surely be a hefty discount on what C4 paid for the rights of the programme three years ago.

They'd be foolish not to buy Big Brother.

Thing is, if it were to change channel, I think they should also change the location of the house, but that seems unlikely to happen; from the actual article itself:

Endemol has spent heavily on the Big Brother house and related studio facilities at Elstree in Hertfordshire and the show also employs a large dedicated staff.

Closing or mothballing the studio and moving employees to other parts of the business would be costly and Endemol is likely to need a swift decision on whether the show will continue next year on Channel 5.

So we may well end up with the worst of all possible worlds: a low-budget version of the same old Big Brother in the same old Big Brother house.  Not good.

[Shameless Custard]

Just watching that Come Dine With Me special, and blimey, Nadia's ego was running rampant, wasn't it.

Here's the linky for anyone who missed it: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/come-dine-with-me-all-in-one/4od#3118625

So, tonight. Was all very predictable, and waaaaaay too drawn-out, but was pretty enjoyable overall. The Dermot roundtable bit was great, and i wish that had had an extra half-hour, i was enjoying it so much.

And aye, George Lamb is bloody awful. So many tweets knocking him tonight, which made me smile, as i thought loads of people liked his work for some inexplicable reason.

[Neil]

‎.....oh and to all you bb nut (jobs).... i AM supposed to be attending tonights final BBLB or BBBM, or whatever it is.... but to be honest they weren't paying enough, I dont give a ninth of a F*** that the show is finishing.... i never liked Davina anyway, and now HMs are trying to kill themselves, horray for the final hurrah.... you'll just have to watch eastenders instead

Nice.  Although she seemed fine with Davina when she was on BBBM, around the start of BB11 - can't imagine they paid for that, wonder how much they gave her for the Dermot thing.  Was also intrigued about the hate shown between Luke and Bex on Davina's Big Send-Off - Bex seemed utterly repulsed by Luke.  I knew she'd see sense in the end!  What's the actual story?  I buy Josie and John James, but if ever there was a fake romance, Luke and Bex were certainly the most likely contenders.