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Grandma's House - new Simon Amstell vehicle
« on: August 04, 2010, 07:17:15 am »
Starts next Monday on BBC2:

TV presenter Simon Amstell plays a version of himself in Grandma's House, a new six-part comedy written by Simon and his long-term collaborator Dan Swimer.

The series stars Simon Amstell as a TV presenter who is quitting his job to try to do something more meaningful with his life.

Each episode is set at Grandma's house, where Simon's family regularly congregate to catch up. Everything happens under the watchful eye of Grandma, who is desperate to see everything going well.
(blurb from comedy.co.uk as the BBC website doesn't seem to have bothered with one)

Featuring Rebecca Front and James Smith of The Thick Of It fame.

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Re: Grandma's House - new Simon Amstell vehicle
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2010, 08:22:23 am »
Here's the bbc site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tffcg

And the trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl92LeadNVs

Not much to see, but I have high hopes. Amstel is also doing new material at the Soho Theatre - anyone going? Saw his show Do Nothing last year and it was fantastic.

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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2010, 10:21:04 am »
Is this "playing a version of him/herself" thing in danger of being a bit overdone now? Perhaps it's already overdone. It just seems like it's been everywhere since (and I'm not saying these were the first shows to do it, just the two most well-known that come to mind) Curb and Extras.

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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2010, 11:05:22 am »
Judging by an interview in the Sunday Times, Daniel Sloss's TV pilot (BBC in the autumn) will go down that path too.

R4's Saturday Review gave its verdict a few weeks ago and it sounded like a real mixed bag. I like Amstell a lot - an unusual and slightly threatening gay celebrity, matched by a decent co-writer and brilliant live - but on evidence so far Grandma's House does seem misconceived, attempting to combine heavily scripted comedy with the impression of a semi-improvised show. An additional problem is that he cannot act, even when playing himself. It's got an excellent cast besides but I'm approaching this with caution. It's in danger of being dismissed in the same way the initial episodes of Lead Balloon were.

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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2010, 11:11:30 am »
Judging by an interview in the Sunday Times, Daniel Sloss's TV pilot (BBC in the autumn) will go down that path too.

R4's Saturday Review gave its verdict a few weeks ago and it sounded like a real mixed bag. I like Amstell a lot - an unusual and slightly threatening gay celebrity, matched by a decent co-writer and brilliant live - but on evidence so far Grandma's House does seem misconceived, attempting to combine heavily scripted comedy with the production approach of a semi-improvised show. An additional problem is that he cannot act, even when playing himself. It's got an excellent cast besides but I'm approaching this with caution. It's in danger of being dismissed in the same way the initial episodes of Lead Balloon were.

Is this with the last ever performance of Geoffrey Hutchings, as you said when we were chatting after the Brian Clemens interview at the NFT (as I still call it!)?

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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2010, 11:15:50 am »
Yes, that's right. For the uninitiated he's in the clip above playing Simon's grandfather. A great character actor who died quite recently.

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Re: Grandma's House - new Simon Amstell vehicle
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2010, 11:17:01 am »
Leave it AAAAHT

I'm Rebecca FRAHNT.

LEAVE IT AAAAAHT.

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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2010, 02:22:29 pm »
While I was watching that clip it seemed like the shots of the grandfather were far shakier than others - now I'm wondering if they decided to reshoot in a less-shaky style, but had to keep the old shots of him. That's a little eerie if so, but I suppose that kind of thing must happen now and again in TV.

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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2010, 08:42:28 pm »
At least his hair's back to normal after that demented brillo pad he had on his head during his last series of Buzzcocks. Clearly he's learnt if it ain't broke, don't go to the barbers.

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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2010, 12:07:30 am »
I'm usually quite forgiving about the writer not being a terrific actor but, judging by the trailer, I will not be able to make it through more than five minutes.

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Re: Grandma's House - new Simon Amstell vehicle
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2010, 09:35:14 am »
Is this "playing a version of him/herself" thing in danger of being a bit overdone now? Perhaps it's already overdone. It just seems like it's been everywhere since (and I'm not saying these were the first shows to do it, just the two most well-known that come to mind) Curb and Extras.

Eh? It's been a comedy staple for years.

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Re: Grandma's House - new Simon Amstell vehicle
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2010, 09:59:20 pm »
And Hancock

And Seinfeld

(and Lead Balloon)

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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2010, 03:48:38 pm »
From the Guardian today,

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Meet my Grandma's House co-writer, Simon Amstell: he's a self-obsessed so and so
Former Popworld and Buzzcocks presenter's new sitcom stars a fictionalised Simon Amstell. But it's nothing like Curb Your Enthusiasm, no way, says co-creator Dan Swimer
   

Firstly, by way of an apology, I ought to point out that the reason I'm writing this alone is definitely not because Simon is too lazy and self-important to do something as menial as penning a few words about his latest product himself. It's because he is a "genius recluse" who's much too busy being both reclusive and a genius to go grovelling to Guide readers in a bid to promote his new TV show.

Grandma's House
Coming Up:
Series 1. Episode 1/6: The Day Simon Told His Family About His Important DecisionMonday 9th August at 22:00 on BBC HD
Series 1. Episode 1/6: The Day Simon Told His Family About His Important DecisionMonday 9th August at 22:00 on BBC 2
Series 1. Episode 2/6: The Day Simon Decided It Might Be a Nice Idea to Surprise His Mother with a GiftMonday 16th August at 22:00 on BBC 2
Remind Me:

Full TV guide
I just hope this doesn't become like the Seinfeld episode where George and Elaine go to the cinema together and find that without their mutual friend Jerry they have nothing to say to one another. Well, I'm aware we don't know each other, and we're both disappointed that Simon (the "genius recluse" – he makes me call him this) was unable to join us, but let's at least try to get through this, shall we?

While discussing Grandma's House I might mention other, far better, sitcoms without making comparisons. This is in no way to induce you to believe it to be anywhere near as good; absolutely not. Furthermore, you are way too clever to be fooled into allowing me to create a subliminal connection between some show you haven't seen and a lot of classic sitcoms. To be honest, I'd rather just stick to discussing Grandma's House, as it's so mind-blowingly unique you can't compare it to anything.

Besides, this show's nothing like Seinfeld, starring comedian Jerry Seinfeld playing a comedian whose name is Jerry. Or Curb Your Enthusiasm, about the creator of Seinfeld, Larry David, who if I recall is played by a man called Larry. Nor is it anything like Hancock's Half Hour, Roseanne or It's Garry Shandling's Show. No way. For starters, this is about a guy called Simon who used to present the TV shows Popworld and Never Mind The Buzzcocks. It just happens to feature the actual former presenter of Popworld and Buzzcocks – a guy called Simon – playing the lead character, whose name is Simon. Anyway, you know when presenters become a bit famous and they're invariably given a substandard sitcom which they spend the next few years struggling to make people forget about? Well Simon thought it best to avoid this, so instead we set about writing a good sitcom. It turns out this is quite difficult when you have no experience, unless writing the voice of a talking horse interviewing the Strokes on Popworld counts.

This was to be our first and only rule: everything committed to paper should feel 100% authentic, rather than existing for comic effect


So partly to guide us and partly because it was something inherent in the many brilliant sitcoms we wanted to emulate (but which it would seem crass to mention in this article), we decided to base everything in truth. This was to be our first and only rule: everything committed to paper should feel 100% authentic, rather than existing for comic effect. As rules go, this sounds like a pretty bloody good one, but in hindsight we might have made more headway if we'd added a couple of extra rules like, "Remember to include storylines", or, "Construct the episode from a number of distinct scenes rather than just one long conversation." But you learn as you go, right? Well, no, not really.

We figured that you pitch an idea, they commission the script, you shoot a pilot, and you're away. And that is indeed the process, give or take a draft or 70; a number of table reads; a pilot which flies straight on to the pile marked, "Hmmm, might work with a story"; a lot of arguing; hours – even days – of silence; and some actual crying. All in the space of four years. In our quest for truth, we managed to turn out a show about depression, death, and the pointlessness of existence (while also in our view being funny and brilliant). It tells the not totally untruthful tale of a guy who quits his glamorous TV-presenting job due to an underlying discomfort with himself, while his divorced mum shacks up with the most objectionable man on the planet, and his grandfather suspects he's probably dying.

All this truth stuff can become quite complicated, especially when the lead character is a fairly realistic portrayal of the actor playing him and writing his script. Obviously not everything in the show can have actually occurred in exactly the same way in real life, but that was the rod we made for our backs. So every reaction of Simon's character had to be a reaction we could envisage him having in real life. Otherwise how could we be certain it wouldn't feel fake, and not thrillingly realistic like, say, The Thick Of It? But does it have to be actually true, or just feel true? Does the actual Simon need to have actually said the line, or can it be the kind of thing the actual Simon might say in the situation, were it real? And round in circles you go, until you eventually snap and start screaming at your co–writer that he isn't "him" and vice versa. He's the actual person in front of you, while "he" exists only on the paper that you're screwing into a ball and trying to stuff into his mouth. Ultimately I resolved it by referring to Simon the character as "Simon", and Simon the person with whom I used to enjoy working and socialising as "you". Eventually it stopped being weird to look up from a moment of reading and remark to Simon, "Simon really is a self-obsessed prick isn't he?"

Anyway, we tried our best, we hope you enjoy it, and it's called Grandma's Office. Sorry, House. Grandma's House. It's about depression and death.


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Re: Grandma's House - new Simon Amstell vehicle
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2010, 04:15:05 pm »
Pff. I wish I hadn't bothered reading that to be honest. I might try and blank that all out and simply see whether it's entertaining or funny.

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2010, 09:25:33 pm »
Just a heads uppity-up to remind y'all this is on at 10, on BBC2.

The adverts actually make it look quite good, so I have fairly high hopes.

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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2010, 10:10:32 pm »
Quite enjoying this, though it sorta reminds me of a less funny, less confident Royle Family.

Rebecca Front's "I can't eat crisps" made me laff.

More in-depth analysis ahead!

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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2010, 10:22:32 pm »
Also quite enjoying this, apart from Amstell himself. His voice appears to be un-breaking.

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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2010, 10:33:01 pm »
It was okay. Some potential, but it seemed a little bit awkward, an odd mix of styles in places.

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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2010, 10:38:01 pm »
I really quite enjoyed that, too - although surprisingly I found James Smith nearly as bad as Amstell. Definitely think it has potential, and that the writing was mostly pretty strong.

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2010, 10:42:27 pm »
Yep, pretty harmless fun from me too. The position of the grandfather particularly will inevitably draw comparisons to Royle, but it was ok. No big riotous laughs especially, but two or three out-loud laughs and no real moment I winced, so in that sense it's better than the rest of the pack.

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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2010, 10:43:38 pm »
Amstell is just playing himself, isn't he? He's exactly the same as he is anywhere else on TV, so it seems like he's "playing" the role correctly.

Rebecca Front was the worst one for me, she was really hamming it up. Simon and Granddad alone in the room together was good.

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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2010, 10:44:47 pm »
I liked the ''shall I get a grown up? line, but other than that I thought Simon Amstel's acting was the worst thing about it, he was awful!! Maybe he'll get better. It was OK though, although the end relied a bit too heavily on a pre-familiarity with this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk7-ShK156U

Was that the Granddad in the dedication at the end? If the series is going where I think it's going (both grandparents dying) that could be a bit awkward.

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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2010, 10:47:37 pm »
Amstell is just playing himself, isn't he? He's exactly the same as he is anywhere else on TV, so it seems like he's "playing" the role correctly.

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? Playing yourself and being yourself are not necessarily the same thing, though.

And yes, Icehaven. Geoffrey Hutchings died last month of a viral infection.

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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2010, 10:51:17 pm »
He's playing the person we see on TV in non-acting roles. I don't know what else to say about that. He seems to defuse any serious situation with humour and is never taken seriously an adult because of it, which I think is what the series is going to be about (already they've set up adult things like Granddad cancer for him to deal with).

I get the impression that Simon Amstell generally looks like somebody doing very bad acting because he's always wearing that same grin.

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2010, 10:58:24 pm »
Amstell was horrible at acting but because he was supposed to be Amstell and I'd always imagined he'd be horrible at acting, it worked.

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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2010, 11:08:58 pm »
That was decent.  It could have been toned down a bit but was well above average.

Amstell's lack of acting ability was not too much of a problem as he was sort of a straight man to the other actors.  Surrounding himself with lots of talent and then being a fairly blank slate was good.  Rebecca Front was particularly good.

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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2010, 11:30:55 pm »
I didn't think Amstell's acting was bad at all, it certainly didn't jar in the way some non-actors' performances do. I thought the scene in the bedroom of him failing to be sympathetic to grandpa was well played.

Yeah, I enjoyed it, it wasn't hilarious, but it was amusing and there's enough promise there. The Guardian seems to think the second episode is particularly good.

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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2010, 11:48:13 pm »
It was fine once it found its stride and began to flow but the Lipmanning of most other characters - especially Front - could get wearing over six weeks. Amstell's performance is not quite as jarring as expected but then, from what I read today, they've perhaps recognised that problem at pilot stage and decided to build a sitcom around Amstell's worst traits rather than cast him as a sensible moral centre. In transferring his usual screen persona wholesale into normal situations he's become a sociopath, which feels like a win. Very odd to watch it back to back with Sherlock for that reason.

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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2010, 11:48:54 pm »
Just watched it again; really do like this. So many good lines; in particular: "He killed a homeless man" "It was an accident" "He didn't drop a spoon"

If the performances can all level out a bit, this has loads of potential. Certainly the most promising sitcom I've seen in a while.

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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2010, 10:52:28 am »
I really enjoyed it. Amstell's acting wasn't bad because he wasn't acting. That's just him. His stand-up is the same. James Smith was the most awkward to watch, but that may have been the point. But yes, along with Mongrels and Rev, it's turning out to be quite a good summer for comedy

 

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