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Twin Peaks season 3?

Started by Stone Cold Jane Austen, January 03, 2013, 04:51:24 PM

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Ja'moke

They're releasing two soundtracks in September.

In terms of the Badalamenti soundtrack, I imagine it will be used more as we get further back into TP. I think it's intentionally absent at the minute.

zomgmouse

I love this. I love how far into the darkness and the perturbed it goes. I love how unashamedly inscrutable they've let Lynch be and how far he drags you into his mind. I'm excited by the imagery and the electrifying new depths we're being flung into. I love all the glimpses of the past but also the chaotic future. This is all great stuff.

Small Man Big Horse

Quote from: Shameless Custard on May 23, 2017, 01:11:57 AM
Have now seen all four, and this is brilliant stuff. I can't remember the last time a TV show gripped me like this. It's just stunning. Mesmerising

I love the balance between nostalgia and pushing the thing screaming into the future. It hits every note you'd possibly want. From scene to scene you have no idea what is coming next.

It's just so beautifully made. It really is art, isn't it? It's such an achievement. It's one of the best things I've ever seen

That's how I felt, indeed I was enjoying it so much that I found myself nervously looking at the time every so often as I didn't want an episode to end. I had ridiculously high expectations but they've been met and then some, I've just finished the fourth episode and am on a massive high now, god knows when I'll be able to sleep.

I don't want to get spoilery but my favourite image so far has been the final one of the breakfast scene, Coop's inane grin was just beautiful and it's now my desktop background.

Rev

There were so many things that could have gone wrong, I didn't expect my main disappointment to be Gordon getting decent hearing aids.  It's not right if he's not shouty!

Thursday

Can we keep to giving some kind of spoiler warning if you're going to discuss specific aspects of episodes 3 and 4 for now?

Head Gardener


chocky909

Who or what 'exactly' is each Cooper? The bad one is the original with Bob inside and daft Coop is dream version made flesh with only experience of abstract existence?

Butchers Blind

Even though I didn't understand what the fuck was going on it was still an amazing unsettling piece of television.

amnesiac

Quote from: chocky909 on May 23, 2017, 11:09:08 AM
Who or what 'exactly' is each Cooper? The bad one is the original with Bob inside and daft Coop is dream version made flesh with only experience of abstract existence?

I read it as Cooper doing a Superman III i.e. the best Superman.

NoSleep

#1269
Quote from: chocky909 on May 23, 2017, 11:09:08 AM
Who or what 'exactly' is each Cooper? The bad one is the original with Bob inside and daft Coop is dream version made flesh with only experience of abstract existence?

Daft Cooper is good ("our") Cooper, who was exiled to the Lodge when Bob possessed him at the end of Season 2.

selectivememory

Don't know if counts as a Spoiler, but I am slightly discussing episodes 3 and 4 in this post, so read on carefully if you don't want to know anything.

Not a lot to add, but I just loved this, the two-hour opener especially so (really was a mesmerising bit of telly, that). Although I found there was a lot of excellent comedy in episodes three and four, and Mr Jackpots Coop was a delight, as was the reveal of Andy and Lucy's son (what a perfect piece of casting).

Quote from: chocky909 on May 23, 2017, 11:09:08 AM
Who or what 'exactly' is each Cooper? The bad one is the original with Bob inside and daft Coop is dream version made flesh with only experience of abstract existence?

I don't really understand the metaphysics of the Twin Peaks universe, but my assumption is that Daft Coop is the real one, but that having been in the Lodge for so long has just caused him a huge amount of problems readjusting to the real world 25 years after he left it (and obviously it seems his memory not just of himself but of how to function in a basic sense has been erased). There were hints of the real Coop coming through, especially at the breakfast table with the pancakes and the coffee.

amnesiac


  • Nice to see a return of 'my arms bend backwards' they don't write em like that anymore.
  • You get tits now too!
  • I hope they don't use mobile phones too much, there was already a bit too many for my liking but I digged his secure line weird laptop
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Phil_A

Quote from: chocky909 on May 23, 2017, 11:09:08 AM
Who or what 'exactly' is each Cooper? The bad one is the original with Bob inside and daft Coop is dream version made flesh with only experience of abstract existence?

It seems like the third Coop, "Dougie", was some sort of duplicate created by BadCoop so he wouldn't be forced to return to the Lodge. I think.

My theory is that in line with the clue from the Log Lady relating to Hawk's ancestry, GoodCoop's spirit has become separated from his body("something is missing"), although he still seems to retain some vague recognition of things from the past (the Great Northern hotel key and the owls) so I don't know if that will hold up.

Custard

Third Coop's prostitute was gorgeous. My oh myyyyy

Though as nice as Madeline Zima also is, she was also the kid in The Hand That Rocks The Cradle. Which ruins it somewhat :(

Ja'moke

Spoiler TALK ON PART 3 AND 4 IN THIS POST



Yes, I believe the implication was that "Dougie" was manufactured by Evil Coop, so that when it was time to return to the Lodge, Dougie got sent there instead. That's what happened but obviously the One Armed Man realised it was a trick, and now both normal good Cooper and his doppelganger, Evil Coop, are out in the real world together and that isn't right so one must die.

I assume good Coop is just fucked up after spending 25 years in the Red Room - that's gonna take its toll on anyone. But I really love the idea of him slowly refinding himself and becoming the Coop we know and love. I got a massive kick out his reaction to coffee, and it's going to be so fulfilling when he returns to full Coop mode - I suspect that's when he'll return to Twin Peaks and the Badalamenti soundtrack will return proper.

Custard

That great song at the end of the double episode:

Chromatics - Shadow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGUboLZx3Tk

chocky909

Quote from: NoSleep on May 23, 2017, 11:45:38 AM
Daft Cooper is good ("our") Cooper, who was exiled to the Lodge when Bob possessed him at the end of Season 2.

So there is no original Coop left in Bad Coop? I always thought  Bob shared with his host, seemed that way with Leland. Also Coop dreamed of being in the red room in Season 1&2 before he was possessed. So he was visiting during his dreams but Bob possessing him made his visits permanent?

I'm sensing that the plot is that daft Coop is supposed to be our Coop who has forgotten who he is and the real world after 25 years stuck in the Black Lodge but his actions are too extreme. He clearly has some memories of old Coop but I suspect he is only part of Coops soul and the rest is in Bad Coop.


up_the_hampipe

Quote from: Shameless Custard on May 23, 2017, 01:01:09 PM
That great song at the end of the double episode:

Chromatics - Shadow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGUboLZx3Tk

Hey I already linked that! Great song indeed.

Hollow

I thought Cooper was always in the lodge if you get me...there's no time there...so if he's in it now...he was in it then?

I cant be bothered to structure that more eloquently...hope you understand me.

chocky909

I'm fine with vagueness so long as it's supposed to be vague and not me just being dim.

Custard

Quote from: up_the_hampipe on May 23, 2017, 01:14:14 PM
Hey I already linked that! Great song indeed.

Heh, sorry!

Here's an mp3, by way of apology

https://www.sendspace.com/file/2qrewr

Ja'moke

Quote from: chocky909 on May 23, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
So there is no original Coop left in Bad Coop? I always thought  Bob shared with his host, seemed that way with Leland. Also Coop dreamed of being in the red room in Season 1&2 before he was possessed. So he was visiting during his dreams but Bob possessing him made his visits permanent?

Evil Coop is a doppelganger. Whereas Leland was the real Leland possessed by BOB. I think that's the difference here.

QDRPHNC

PART 3 + 4 SPOILERS BELOW

Parts 1 + 2 were brilliant. They widened the scope of Twin Peaks perfectly (the mysterious room in New York... as a poster on here mentioned, would love it if Audrey was the billionaire still trying to find Cooper), the Evil Coop stuff was handled brilliantly, completely unexpected, but logical, in that you have an evil bastard with Coop's brilliant mind inside. The new additions were very welcome too - I thought Matthew Lillard was surprisingly good, and I'm as into this new murder plot as I was into the Laura Palmer mystery the first time around.

As Mrs. Q and I just sat through the first couple of seasons in preparation for this, of course making fun of the very wet James at every opportunity, it was actually really lovely to see him turn up at the road house, and I love that Lynch made a point of telling us that he'd "always been cool". Lump in the throat moment there.

Parts 3 + 4... not so sure. The third Coop was maybe one confusing element too many. And I think that Part 4 in particular made the mistake of having the audience be way ahead of the plot, waiting for it to catch up. We know that good Coop is back in the world now, we want to see him get back to kicking ass in that way he does, I'm not sure we needed a solid 30 minutes of him playing slots (even if it did give us a reason to see Brett fucking Gelman in Twin Peaks). Of course, it could pay off really well in the next episode, as the maple syrup and coffee pointed toward him regaining his memory and all, it just dragged a lot. Also, after how well the Denise scene was handled (loved Cole's line... I told them to change their hearts or die), it was a little disappointing to see the camera linger on the new FBI woman's arse with a quip by Albert about how it brightened his day, or whatever. In a series known for it's pretty progressive (for the time) treatment of woman, it was unnecessary.

Mrs. Q thought the scene with Wally Brando was gratuitous, like the show ground to a halt to deliver a self-aware cameo doing a funny sketch, but I liked it... probably for the same reasons. And yes, the actor is such a logical choice for Andy and Lucy's kid.

All this criticism is balanced out by the brilliance of the rest of it, of course. Loved the opening with Cooper in the weird place with the eyeless woman... reminded me of some kind of s*****c version of La Jetee. The vomiting... dear god, the vomiting. What is with Lynch, he can take something simple (like vomiting), and somehow make it into the worst possible thing you've ever seen, even for a jaded old bastard raised on movies and HBO dramas. It's like the coffee scene in Mulholland Drive. One part of your brain is saying, it's just a guy not liking coffee, while some other part of your brain is utterly freaked out.

Thoughts on Coop: I think Good Coop is just Good Coop, unaffected by Bob now, but struggling cognitively to readjust to reality after 25 years in some other realm. Dougie I didn't know what to make of, but I like the suggestion here that he was another dopplelganger created by Bad Coop to take his place in the Black Lodge. Although, if that's the case, does it open a can of worms that Bad Coop can seemingly create whole new people at will? Anyway, I guess we'll see how it pans out.

zomgmouse

YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A PRISON

NoSleep

Quote from: QDRPHNC on May 23, 2017, 02:26:41 PMThe third Coop was maybe one confusing element too many. And I think that Part 4 in particular made the mistake of having the audience be way ahead of the plot, waiting for it to catch up. We know that good Coop is back in the world now, we want to see him get back to kicking ass in that way he does, I'm not sure we needed a solid 30 minutes of him playing slots (even if it did give us a reason to see Brett fucking Gelman in Twin Peaks).

I think this is going to be something we're going to have to get used to. I think the whole thing will probably span out like an 18 hour long Lynch movie, with him taking as much time as he wants to unfold each detail of plot.

QDRPHNC

Quote from: NoSleep on May 23, 2017, 02:58:33 PM
I think this is going to be something we're going to have to get used to. I think the whole thing will probably span out like an 18 hour long Lynch movie, with him taking as much time as he wants to unfold each detail of plot.

Absolutely, if anyone has earned the right to fuck with the audience however he wants, it's David Lynch. I guess I just found it a frustrating hour. But maybe looking at it like a long, long movie is the way to go.

Ja'moke

But are you not walking around shouting "HELL-OOOOO" at random points throughout the day now?

up_the_hampipe

Quote from: Shameless Custard on May 23, 2017, 01:27:19 PM
Heh, sorry!

Here's an mp3, by way of apology

https://www.sendspace.com/file/2qrewr

I bought it on iTunes last night like a good boy.

QDRPHNC

Quote from: Ja'moke on May 23, 2017, 03:19:14 PM
But are you not walking around shouting "HELL-OOOOO" at random points throughout the day now?

I tend to do that anyway, whenever I see a woman with a shape to her.

NoSleep

Quote from: Ja'moke on May 23, 2017, 03:19:14 PM
But are you not walking around shouting "HELL-OOOOO" at random points throughout the day now?

It was amusing that he went in the casino with the idea that he would call for help, got the change and then saw that guy win and shout "HELL-OOO" and then followed suit, but there was the suggestion that he had muddled up jackpot machines with telephones and was simply trying to call for help.