Just 17: The Final Corbyn Thread?

[BlodwynPig]

http://www.cityam.com/209507/unite-union-stops-advertising-tax-advice-avoidance-battle

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2443316/Hypocrite-unions-duck-2million-tax-despite-criticising-firms-dodge-corporation-payments.html

Liars.

[Buelligan]

We discussed this months ago.  For some reason some posters appear to feel compelled to use CaB to repeatedly libel people, even after they have been painstakingly corrected.  Make of that what you will.

[jobotic]

Because they fucking do and have been doing so.

Read the rest of the paragraph.

So TFM and the like see this as an opportunity to enjoy an appalling performance by Labour, the party they supposedly support.

On the other side, it's an opportunity to destroy the right of the Labour Party.


If only I was a Tory cunt, I could really enjoy this.

[TheFalconMalteser]

Richard Burgon is the campaign chair.

They simply have to be trolling. Amazing stuff.

[TheFalconMalteser]

An announcement speech from Corbyn that talks about "the establishment" and contains absolutely no announcements.  Ian Lavery supposedly v good.

[TheFalconMalteser]

Oh and IT'S THE PRESS GETTING BOOED!

Hahahha oh Labour you.  There's your news at 10pm footage, if they so wish.  And why wouldn't they.  They were just booed.

[Johnny Yesno]

http://www.cityam.com/209507/unite-union-stops-advertising-tax-advice-avoidance-battle

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2443316/Hypocrite-unions-duck-2million-tax-despite-criticising-firms-dodge-corporation-payments.html

The first story is an attempt to smear on the basis that unions give above board financial advice to their members that can lower tax on their savings, such as investing in ISAs. ISAs and the like are specifically set up by the government to encourage saving and are open to all. They certainly are not experimental off-shore financial instruments of the kind that are usually illegal until tested in court.

The second is a smear based on the fact that unions don't pay tax on their expenses. No one pays tax on their expenses because they're not expected to. Unions do not avoid taxes on actual income.

But, you knew all that, liar.

So stop lying now, please. You're always 100% transparent and it's embarrassing to see.

[thugler]

An announcement speech from Corbyn that talks about "the establishment" and contains absolutely no announcements.  Ian Lavery supposedly v good.

As if anything he said would be met by anything other than you being a cunt. Cunt

[Konki]

He's got to go the anti-establishment route and go hard at it because if it comes down to a question of competence in the role of PM the public already seem to have made up their mind.

I'd like to see him get nasty, he's got nothing to lose now. At least go down fighting.

[Buelligan]

He has everything to lose.  This isn't about him (and I'm quite sure he allow himself to be humiliated if that's what it took to carry the day for the people he's fighting for). 

His power lies in the fact that we all know the system's rigged, that they're standing on our necks, he's standing up and saying so, giving us the courage to stand up and say so. 

He's Spartacus and so are we.

[Scrapey Fish]

Generally positive response from journalists to Corbyn's press conference today.

Refusing the rule out a second EU referendum has given the Tories an attack line though. Need to either offer it or rule it out

[Johnny Yesno]

Refusing the rule out a second EU referendum

I'm actually quite relieved to hear this, tbh.

[TheFalconMalteser]

Mandelson great here at a People's History Museum on distinguishing between Thatcher and New Labour - excellent defence of the "neoliberal Blairite Tories nonsense".  Great on the sheer scale of wealth transfer and investment in public services.

Happy to position Labour as a party that isn't against aspiration, starting business, earning money. But are a party that sees a common citizen with a duty on everyone to pay in.  When people are successful they pay more.

[BlodwynPig]

Mandelson great here at a People's History Museum on distinguishing between Thatcher and New Labour - excellent defence of the "neoliberal Blairite Tories nonsense".  Great on the sheer scale of wealth transfer and investment in public services.

Happy to position Labour as a party that isn't against aspiration, starting business, earning money. But are a party that sees a common citizen with a duty on everyone to pay in.  When people are successful they pay more.

You get about. Do you have a job?

[TheFalconMalteser]

On holiday BD.  What better way to spend your leave...

He just told a story about the "intensely rich comment"

Was sec state for industry, went to California because he wanted to debate thinking about a knowledge driven economy.  About innovation and technology, driving productivity and growth to invest in people's lives.  Went to california to see what they were creating there.

Arrived in Silicone Valley at Hewlett Packard, met by the CE.  "Why on earth should I be interested in England when all you are is a bunch of Communists who want to take away everything he earn".

He replied immediately that in new labour we are intensely relaxed as long as they pay their taxes.  Then appeared in the FT.  Feels the quote didn't appear until the banking crisis, only quoting the bit about filthy rich, and not paying their taxes.

[Mr_Simnock]

You get about. Do you have a job?

Progress toilets, third cubicle on the right, the upper hole.

[Paul Calf]

Mandelson great here at a People's History Museum on distinguishing between Thatcher and New Labour

It takes Mandelson to explain the difference between Thatcher and the Labour Party?

I'm not sure why you think this is a good thing.

[TheFalconMalteser]

Surprisingly strong on how important it is to support our candidates now, stress our credentials as a party, avoid falling out amongst ourselves. 

(hang on lads I'll read out some posts from here)

[Kelvin]

Imagine being the kind of person who spends his holiday watching Peter Mandelson.

[BlodwynPig]

Can you tell Mandelson that he is a wazzock from me. I remember that shameful incident in the St Pancras toilets.

[TheFalconMalteser]

Imagine being the kind of person who spends his holiday watching Peter Mandelson.

State of THAT!  Yeah, imagine being interested in politics and going to an event, with largely Labour supporters, about 1997 at your favourite local museum.

K back to this.

No probs BD will get my hand up.

[Black_Bart]

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2017-04-20/former-corbyn-ally-switches-from-labour-to-lib-dems/

A former Labour MP once seen as a close ally to Jeremy Corbyn has launched a stinging attack on the party leadership as he reportedly defected to the Liberal Democrats.

Bob Marshall-Andrews condemned the "abject failure of the Labour leadership" in arguing against Brexit during the EU referendum and said his former party had become a "political basket case".

The barrister, who represented Labour in Medway from 1997 to 2010 and sat in a socialist group of MPs alongside Mr Corbyn, confirmed his switch in allegiance on Wednesday night, The Times reported.

The Time article is behind a pay wall.

Been listening to JV, there was a bit about the tactical voting that may take place.

[jobotic]

I like the idea of TFM reading out posts from HERE to Mandelson in the style of Corbyn at QT.

[TheFalconMalteser]

I like the idea of TFM reading out posts from HERE to Mandelson in the style of Corbyn at QT.

"Mr Simnock from West Sussex asks why can't I call strangers fucking rent boys? Does the right hon. gentleman have an answer to THAT?".

[pancreas]

Can you tell Mandelson that he is a wazzock from me. I remember that shameful incident with Pancreas in the toilets.

LIES

[Kelvin]

Next on TFM's holiday schedule; "Skeletor: an hour with a Lord of Destruction."

[Quincey]

Imagine being the kind of person who spends his holiday watching Peter Mandelson.

I went to see Mandelson speak fifteen or so years ago. He was pretty sneering about Gordon Brown.

[Quango]

Imagine being the kind of person who spends his holiday watching Peter Mandelson.

Imagine being the kind of person who believes the electorate want a revival of the Blair and Mandelson years.

I realise Corbyn has his problems, and that it's unlikely he'll win the election, but to believe not only that the electorate are yearning for the likes of Mandelson but also that anyone wants to see more than the backs of them is a spectacular misjudgement. Hasn't that kind of person noticed how much politicians like Blair, Brown and Mandelson are despised by most of the general public? Any future candidate who comes with their support and approval is only going to have their campaign irreparably damaged by association, and I don't think that's too much of an exaggeration. They would just turn people off.

[pcsjwgm]

Mandelson great here at a People's History Museum on distinguishing between Thatcher and New Labour

Peter Mandelson: "We are all Thatcherites now."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/jun/10/labour.uk1

Tony Blair: 'My job was to build on some Thatcher policies'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22073434

John McTernan: "She changed the economic structure of the country for good. As in forever. But also for good. It's a good thing she did what she did."
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13204773.Murphy_s_chief_of_staff__Thatcher_economic_reforms_were_a__good_thing_/

[TheFalconMalteser]

If you quote Mandelson correctly - I think you'll find most people agree, surely?

Globalisation punishes hard any country that tries to run its economy by ignoring the realities of the market or prudent public finances. In this strictly narrow sense, and in the urgent need to remove rigidities and incorporate flexibility in capital, product and labour markets, we are all Thatcherites now.