The Keepers (new Netflix long form true crime doc)

[biggytitbo]

Thought I'd start a thread to discuss this. The subject is the 48 year old cold case murder of a nun and after a few episodes it's already clear this is a very different beast to making a murderer. It quickly becomes clear that the real story is not so much the murder here but the even darker stuff surrounding it.

Considering this is the Catholic Church you can probably guess what that is.

[Steven]

Considering this is the Catholic Church you can probably guess what that is.

Headslapping?

[doppelkorn]

If ever there was a reason to bring back tags...

[imitationleather]

If ever there was a reason to bring back tags...

Indeed. Watched two episodes now and I'm still waiting for Neville Southall and Steve Ogrizovic to turn up and crack this case.

[Steven]

This doesn't really get down to a definitive narrative though, really? Just various speculation, which of course you can jigsaw together various ways as your wont.

[imitationleather]

Watched three episodes so far. Very grim (perhaps that's part of the problem), but I'm not finding it particularly engaging.

[DrunkCountry]

Fascinating if grim story undone by a dreadfully dislocated/fractured narrative. Why can't these modern documentaries just tell the fucking story these days? The tangled chaos of so many elements/strands/names etc. was totally bogged down by the editorial decisions imo. I left that thinking I'd have to watch it again to get a clearer idea of who & what were significant where & when, but I'm not sure I can be bothered wading through all the asides & superfluous filler/dead ends.

[Steven]

I left that thinking I'd have to watch it again to get a clearer idea of who & what were significant where & when, but I'm not sure I can be bothered wading through all the asides & superfluous filler/dead ends.

I've seen it all and it goes nowhere, just raises up suspicious things about various people and it's up to you to decide what exactly happened.

[colacentral]

I've seen three episodes and find it meandering, padded out, and outrageously manipulative and one sided. I'm really struggling to muster up the enthusiasm to keep going with it.

I've seen reviews saying this is better than Making a Murderer. Out of their minds.

[DrunkCountry]

I've seen it all and it goes nowhere, just raises up suspicious things about various people and it's up to you to decide what exactly happened.

Yes, I know. My point was, in order to untangle the narrative quagmire brought about by the edit/narrative decisions I'd have to watch it again but I don't know if I can be arsed because of that very same quagmire.

[biggytitbo]

I've got an episode left and I agree about how meandering it is, theres clearly the outline of a far better documentary here but too many holes for it to really work.


The most startling bit so far was the suspects claim that the police handed him the victim's vagina during an interrogation, which sounds insane.

[Steven]

The most startling bit so far was the suspects claim that the police handed him the victim's vagina during an interrogation, which sounds insane.

There was also brilliant cross-examination techniques deployed by the documentary team:

Interviewer: Do you drive with both feet?

Bloke who may be a suspect: I haven't driven in years..

Interviewer: But when you did drive, did you use both feet? Because the person who killed Sister Cathy left muddy footprints on both pedals so drove with both feet.

Bloke who may be a suspect: Yeah, I drove with both feet.

*Camera pans ominously to his befuddled face*

[biggytitbo]

That man was a tragic figure, but with an astoundingly thick and lustrous head of hair.

[MortSahlFan]

This is one I kept passing over, but I checked it out, and I was hooked immediately. I never "binge" watch, until last night. I'm a very routine person - never sleeping past 7am, but I probably watched 5 hours last night/morning, woke up at 6am, and saw the remaining two episodes.

Any developments? HIGHLY recommend this.