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The 'Have Your Say' Summary Project

Started by Shoulders?-Stomach!, March 17, 2006, 04:12:35 PM

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Shoulders?-Stomach!

Inspired by The John Gibson Summary Project, an ever expanding catalogue of one mans quest to provide the world with bad opinions, and also inspired by the local newsletters thread. It's always amusing watching peoples personal agenda creep into their arguments, and The BBC's Have Your Say service is the national platform for crap. I can guarantee that every day you'll find arguments and opinions that are mind-boggling. The prevalance of reasonable discussion in places like CaB occasionally makes you forget that outside there are some truly scary people.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/default.stm

There are a myriad of issues in which you can be shouty or unintelligible, or just wrong- live and in public.

Milosevic:

QuoteAs representative of young generation I am very sick these days when I am watching on your news ugly faces of his brainwashed supporters! Look at them: they all together have 20 teeth!!! And it is not real Serbia! And it hurts "the others", maybe 3 or 4 million democratic people in my country who hate the day when he was born!!!

Sonja Kamenkovic, Zajecar, Serbia

Asylum:

QuotePlease, no more asylum seekers - the country is saturated and overcrowded as it is - flying in from any other country you realise just how little countryside is left in the UK. The British public do not want these people but our politicians ignore this. There is no major war on and there is no excuse for them to come here. The 'failed' ones who are here should never have been let loose into the community and should have been held in detention centres. I could cry for our country.

Jean, Hartlepool

The 'Baby MB' case:

QuoteNO!

Jeremy Bell, Martock

What now for Met Police chief Ian Blair:

QuoteThe other Blair has much more for which to apologise than Sir Ian. The Tony variety of Blair should resign.

David Gould, Godalming

...and the South East's water shortage appears to have been SOLVED!!

QuoteHas this water company lost its mind?

Thames Water they are called - named after one of the biggest rivers in Britain.
Stick a pipe in the Thames you dimwits!!!

Mark, London

There's one thing you can rely on- stupidity.

falafel


Shoulders?-Stomach!

Chris from Stoke, on the Education Reform Bill:

QuoteAny reform to schools is a good idea. no government would do harm to schools. they all try & do what they think is right. but its time tony blair stood down, all he should be doing is improving on what we've got. i dont no why he keeps bringing out all these pointless laws. the only good law i no of was the minimum wage

chris fox, stoke on trent. UK

Some people find it hand to articulate their views in conversation but when you've got the time to write them down and that's the best you can do...

Artemis

Bob, from Philadelphia on Is enough being done to end poverty in Africa?
QuoteThe question seems rhetorical with the answer a resounding "NO."

Brilliant.

Suttonpubcrawl

God, people are awful aren't they? I'm looking at "Would you take part in drug trials?" on Have Your Say.

Quote from: "John Burman, Warwick"I find it rather strange that a German company would use the UK branch of a company (Parexel International who have branches in Germany) rather than their local branch. I'd take part for a British company but not for a foreign company - because I don't like the idea of companies using foreigners for their drug trials.

This comment seemingly has nothing to do with the question, but at least she got it off her chest, eh?
Quote from: "Nicola Evans, Cheltehnham"Along the same note, they should stop paying A-level pupils £30 pocket money a week to spend with their friends and give it to students who need the money to live.

This person can explain to us all why those people got so sick. Duh! It's so obvious. Why didn't the doctors think of that eh?
Quote from: "mike, ivybridge"If a strong drug is administered to cure a serious ailment that the recipient does not have, there is bound to be an adverse side-effect.

Consignia

It's amazing how many Daily Mail style comments make it in the Readers Recommended, such as "Looney Left" and "PC Brigade".

TheWizard

I think that site is an attempt to counter BBC=Commies with seemingly every discussion having a comment on Tony Blair. Or when people reply to "Who should win an Oscar/BAFTA etc..." with who cares. Well done for clicking on the debate to add that, even worse when 40 people reading the post click to agree.

zozman

The mirror are doing a "have your say" bit on the inquiry into supermarket competition.

Quote from: "An ID Card Protestor in Scotland"I wish the people who are upset about supermarkets would be as outraged at the government's draconian ID cards scheme.
Consider this: do you know who will be responsible for managing the data gathered on you? Do you also know that it may not just be government buildings that require your ID card? What about banks, or supermarkets? What about criminals that obtain an ID card reader by blackmailing a civil servant?
once in place, these cards WILL be abused by government like every other power they have had. Every peaceful protester against government policy, every member of an ethnic minority- anyone who is considered a threat to government will be tracked by these cards.
Did you know there is an RFID chip on the card that can be read at a short distance? Fit an RFID scanner to CCTV and you can monitor the public 24/7. But of course, if you've nothing to hide eh? You won't mind a CCTV in your living room then....

TheWizard

Quoteif you've nothing to hide eh? You won't mind a CCTV in your living room then....

I totally follow that logic.


Is The Body Shop takeover worth it?

QuoteWHO CARES?
Aren't there more important things to worry about.

Matthew Jones, Auckland, New Zealand
Recommended by 12 people

QuoteYawn

Martin R, London
Recommended by 6 people

I don't care but dosen't anyone find it depressing that people have the time to post "I don't care" on a website and then 10 people think  "Good point!"

The one on "Has society got worse in the past 40 years" was just scary. Has it got worse, yes middle age tossers spend their days telling everyone how much better it was in their day. Is that what your parents went to war for?

Borboski

Quote from: "Shoulders?-Stomach!"Chris from Stoke, on the Education Reform Bill:

QuoteAny reform to schools is a good idea. no government would do harm to schools. they all try & do what they think is right. but its time tony blair stood down, all he should be doing is improving on what we've got. i dont no why he keeps bringing out all these pointless laws. the only good law i no of was the minimum wage

chris fox, stoke on trent. UK

Some people find it hand to articulate their views in conversation but when you've got the time to write them down and that's the best you can do...

Fuck me that's brilliant, I quite literally giggled stella.

Artemis

Nah - thats made up, surely. I've contributed occasionally to Have Your Say but they rarely publish what I write because it's not easily compatible with their newsy ways, plus I have a tendancy to libel John Leslie.

Mister Cairo

Lots of pro-war comments on the Iraqi section:

QuoteWe need to give ALL innocent civilians 72 hours to get out of this area, and bomb these murderer's back into the stone age.

As if everyone who stays is an insurgent.

Quote
The United States must keep on the offensive.

Bush has been to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan...

Osama bin laden, the Coward of Cowards...

Still hides in the caves and mountains...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

And let's bring up the Nazis:

QuoteHow is it we can defeat an enemy 1,000 times stronger than this AKA NAZI germany with FORCE but you cant defeat these guys with force. I find your lack of knowledge of past conflicts and how they are won Disturbing. The nazis only understood one thing TOTAL DESTRUCTION and so these people will only understand that. I pray to all gods for peace but I know there will be none as long as people like you guys defend people Who kill innocent women and children ON PURPOSE. No bombs were dropped.

QuoteUK - Get off your high horse and consult your own history books before condeming the USA for occupying Iraq. More than one country suffered through UK control while you were enjoying your position of being a world power....

Atleast we are in Iraq with partially admirable intentions.... can you all say the same?

As if no Uk troops were dying in Iraq. "Partially admirable intentions".

chand

Good to see VW's own Pinball posting under an alias with regards to the Ian Blair case:

QuoteNothing has happened that the State does not already control. Even if Ian Blair had not recorded the conversation, he could most probably have received a copy from GCHQ.

Echelon anyone?

fluffy, London

Also nice to see someone trying the UKIP line on asylum seekers...

QuoteAccording to law, asylum is only be granted if the country is the first safe country reached by the seeker. Excluding access by air, since the UK can only be reached by travelling through several countries which are undoubtedly safe, every single asylum application made by a claimant who has not arrived by air should be refused. Clearly safety was not the primary driver, otherwise they would have sought asylum in the numerous countries they passed through.

Thomas W., London, UK

...which basically means 'I'm all for asylum seekers, as long as they only come from Scotland, Wales, Ireland or the Faroe Islands. Of course, we'll send them all back too because none of those countries have oppressive governments!'.

Now, right-wingers, don't you love 'em?

Quote1. Allow anyone who is willing to work to enter the country.
2. Stop providing hand outs, not just to immigrants, but also to the natives.
3. Can't work, won't work? You'll soon learn or make a swift recovery when you've nothing to eat!

The prevailing bleeding heart, liberal nonsense that has gripped the UK has all but ruined our once great economic philosophy. Socialism is economically unsustainable. Ask history or continental Europe in a few years time...

Ingram, Southend

Recommended by 41 people

[emphasis mine] Point 3 just conjures up images of Ingram here walking around hospitals shouting at the dying, 'Oh, look at you, "boo-hoo, I've got cancer, I can't work!" I've had a cold for a week, I'm getting up at 7am to go to work, stop fucking whining!'

Quotewhy do we have to allow these people into the country first and then house them during the endless period whilst waiting for clearance. I think that as with countries like australia applications should be made whilst they are in their own country thereby avoiding the enormous drain on our economy and resultant problems locating applicants if their applications fail.

I love these people who can't grasp why the persecuted and political dissidents on the run might find it hard to apply for asylum in the country that's fucking persecuting them.

Someone here who kept falling on the keyboard as they were writing:

Quoteyes definately if fifa made such ypes of rules than any how today or tomarrow it gono implement and its the responsibility of all the players to obey fifa.

I really like this last one though...

Quote from: "Susan Passmore"It's pretty obvious why drug abuse is on the increase.

Oh, do explain how! I expect it's some kind of complex web of various social, psychological, economic and cultural factors which can't be summed up in a single glib statement, right?

Quote from: "Susan Passmore"...It is because so much importance is put on kids to do well at school

Well, shut my mouth!

zozman

Call me an old right wing nutjob if you like, but why do people claiming asylum on safety or avoidance of political persecution grounds, come through places like Italy, Spain and France to claim asylum in the UK?  It's not as if we don't forcibly remove failed applicants or that we provide freebie country houses, handjobs and X-Boxes or anything.  Honestly I don't know...


obvious disclaimers about asylum seekers being people too, freedom to travel, etc. etc.

slim

Quote from: "zozman"Call me an old right wing nutjob if you like, but why do people claiming asylum on safety or avoidance of political persecution grounds, come through places like Italy, Spain and France to claim asylum in the UK?
Because we treat them better and have a better welfare system, so I'm told.

As you say though, we don't actually treat them that well. A case of least worst, I think.

Oscar

Quote from: "zozman"Call me an old right wing nutjob if you like, but why do people claiming asylum on safety or avoidance of political persecution grounds, come through places like Italy, Spain and France to claim asylum in the UK?  It's not as if we don't forcibly remove failed applicants or that we provide freebie country houses, handjobs and X-Boxes or anything.  Honestly I don't know...


obvious disclaimers about asylum seekers being people too, freedom to travel, etc. etc.

I used to work with a Polish immigrant, he hated England  (he was doing fine really, but he had expected to become rich) and often complained about it. I asked him once if he told people back home how much he hated his new life, he said "No! I tell them that I have a brilliant life, an amazing, well-paid job and everything is great! I don't want them to know I have failed."

Maybe this is how the "England is a great place to move to" myth perpetuates.

chand

Quote from: "zozman"Call me an old right wing nutjob if you like, but why do people claiming asylum on safety or avoidance of political persecution grounds, come through places like Italy, Spain and France to claim asylum in the UK?  It's not as if we don't forcibly remove failed applicants or that we provide freebie country houses, handjobs and X-Boxes or anything.  Honestly I don't know...

From the Refugee Council:

QuoteWhy do asylum seekers choose to come to the UK?

In July 2002, the Home Office conducted research to explore how and why asylum seekers choose to come to the UK rather than other countries. Some of the findings include:

- those fleeing persecution, violence or threats are predominantly concerned with escaping their country to reach a place of safety; these concerns come before those about which country they seek sanctuary in;

- some asylum seekers have no choice of destination, either because the ability to pay influences the final destination and many people have to stop in intermediate destinations, including the UK; and because some agents who facilitate travel and smuggling dictate the choice of destination.

Those who do have a choice over their final destination were found to base their choice on:

- existing family and community ties. These were also related to historic colonial ties to the country. So while Britain might be the obvious place for a Zimbabwean to flee to, France receives the vast majority of Algerian asylum applications;

- their belief that the UK is a safe, tolerant and democratic society;

- an ability to speak English or a desire to learn.

Only a small group is influenced by economic factors, and most have little previous knowledge of regulations about asylum or welfare support in the UK.

Slightly off-topic, that just reminded me of an interesting comment I read the other day in the Guardian about how much of the objection to asylum seekers is really down to worries about people taking our jobs and being here illegally:

QuoteI decided to follow Ian Blair through his first year after meeting him at a formal dinner. An immigration judge was complaining that not enough of the people whose asylum requests he refused were deported. Sir Ian chipped in that it was interesting that few people ever complained to him about the low number of deportations among the biggest groups of illegal immigrants - Australians and white South Africans who overstayed their visas.

Suttonpubcrawl

Quote from: "zozman"Call me an old right wing nutjob if you like, but why do people claiming asylum on safety or avoidance of political persecution grounds, come through places like Italy, Spain and France to claim asylum in the UK?  It's not as if we don't forcibly remove failed applicants or that we provide freebie country houses, handjobs and X-Boxes or anything.  Honestly I don't know...

Language probably plays a large part. A lot of people can speak English so they probably want to get to a country where they already speak some of the language.

Still Not George

Quote from: "zozman"Call me an old right wing nutjob if you like, but why do people claiming asylum on safety or avoidance of political persecution grounds, come through places like Italy, Spain and France to claim asylum in the UK?  It's not as if we don't forcibly remove failed applicants or that we provide freebie country houses, handjobs and X-Boxes or anything.  Honestly I don't know...
I always put it down to the opinion of the UK I get from every foreigner I meet. We're the "Old Country" for a hell of a lot of places.

Look at a world map circa 1930 - all those countries in pink have an English-speaking element of their population, and all of them that didn't throw us out in a violent (or in the case of India, non-violent) revolution remember us in a fairly kindly fashion, considering the mess we made of them. We show up in history lessons everywhere. We've been everyone's stern dad for centuries now. They have this image of a safe, twee place, with none of the shit that infests their own countries. Finally, don't underestimate the Beeb. In a lot of places the World Service has long been the only connection people have had to the outside world, and it projects this same safe, slightly stern, unflappable image.

As that quote from the RC said, old Imperial ties seem to be the biggie.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

This just in- a comment regarding the funding of political parties:

QuoteNO, DON'T FUND THEM AT ALL ... it only encourges them :-(

Zorba Eisenhower

This one was under the heading "Can car sharing lanes work?"

QuoteIt sounds good on paper, but whether it will really work is questionable.   Steven Martin, United Kingdom  


Yes, er that's why they're er asking the question.

and also in response to the question -


QuoteWhy do you think 1930's Germany built so many miles of perfectly straight, concrete (not tarmac)coated roads pointing straight at France, Austria and Poland?
Hint- tank tracks damage tarmac but not concrete roads.
[Peter_Sym], Nottingham



The verbal outlet for this kind of in depth analysis is any kind of news output by Radio 5 live. Even the presenters indulge in it. Angry embittered people call the morning phone ins, or people who sound scarily positive, as if they've been testing the latest happy pills while teetering on the abyss of lonely suicide.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

What would you like to see in this years budget?

QuotePublic funding for public transport scrapped. Only by it dying a death can it be improved. Petrol duty halved. More funding to be put into new, wider roads to cut congestion. More of road tax to go to finding alternative fuels.

Martin Connolly, Glasgow

I fucking love the phrase "Only by it dying a dead can it be improved."

Meanwhile Mick from the Midlands appears to have written a little poem:

QuoteI would like to see some real growth and not
69% of the population claiming so kind of benefit.What does this message send out.
Give people a chance and not tax everything
then we wouldn't have this mess.
Last one before he becomes PM.
Goodbye Tony Hello Gordon.
It's going to be boring.

Mick, Midlands

The only moment of actual clarity of thought is:

QuoteI would like to see is the chancellor to dress up for the occassion as it truley is - to wear a stripey black and white jumper, a face mask covering the eyes and hold a SWAG bag whilst he announces the budget.

[monkeymangenius]

Worth including....

Mister Cairo

Good idea for a thread

QuoteJohn Prescott has said he was keeped in the dark about party funding,To be fair does he know much about anything. Banachech,oxford.

QuoteI think the parties should be funded by the taxpayer or I don't think the parties should be funded by the taxpayer. That's all you ever hear. I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY as long as we have HM Queen.

Thank you Mr Gregg Bloom, always nice to see you support the idea of people been born into power. Poor little lamb, whichever pubs, clubs, shops etc he goes to all people are talking about is political party funding. Not Iraq or Westlife or ID Cards, political party funding.

QuoteI am against the idea of using taxpayers money to find political parties. Because it is in my opinion part of an EU inspired scheme to make the UK part of a United States of Europe.

Eh? Bit of a leap between the two sentences. How would a USE differ from the EU? And how would state funding bring us clsoer to it?

QuoteBoring.....what about the energy crisis enveloping this country?

Well you could wait and see if there is a Have Your Say for that, cockfoster. It's like going into a football stadium and shouting "Learning First Aid is more important! Let's all learn first aid".

Shoulders?-Stomach!

QuoteIt's like going into a football stadium and shouting "Learning First Aid is more important! Let's all learn first aid".

Ha! The moderators, or whoever gets payed to look after this section must be really slack to allow something so tangential. I imagine a good proportion of replies don't make it through. They shouldn't have a members system- the members always get through and they're usually people like 'Bring Back Thatch' and 'Pillage The Pensions Industry'. In fact the moderators are so bad they don't even bother with:

QuoteDandy?.........OMG, i thought we were talking about the beano - i am so torn!!

woe is me!!

BBCMods AreBadAtTheirJob

...that made it onto the car pooling topic.

All of the amusement quickly washes away when you're faced with reading the views of A Fucking Twat, Chesterfield:

QuoteAnyone using the road, and not in gainful employment should be banned off the road.

Road use should be prioritized towards those who are contributing to the economy.

All other users are just free-loaders onto society, with specific regards to those wanting to have a "ride around".

John Elton, Chesterfield, United Kingdom

Mister Cairo

QuoteStop all benifits for the unemployed after 3 months. Loads of jobs at Tescos and the like. Charge a fee for disabilty badges, many around here can walk further than I can.

Yes...

This was rather nice

QuoteSimple enough help us pensioners more everything goes up more than you give us the only thing that's free and comes down is the RAIN.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Car pooling:

QuoteAt best, a cunning stunt. At worst, a recipe for disaster as drivers turn to hitch-hikers to supplement the numbers. Anyone remember The Hitcher?

Tod Malthus, Swindon ex Barnstaple

Haha!

Purple Tentacle

QuoteTo the guy who wrong "what was the alternative to war" , maybe he should as Ali Abas .. ( the boy whose arms Blair and Bush blew off )

Personally?


QuoteIraq- the second Ireland

adam, walsal

That sounds like a great tourism campaign!

QuotePeople die in war sadly guilty or innocent, i just wish people would stop complaining that there son/daughter etc should be back in the uk/usa. Sorry but its there job, if it means to there death then...

Lee, Basingstok

Yeah, stop whingeing about your sons, bereaved idiots!

I like the dots at the end, almost as if he's implying a threat...

Shoulders?-Stomach!

QuoteTo the guy who wrong

Perhaps 'wrong' could be a new 'urban' verb for someone who writes rubbish. EG- 'I disagree with you when you wronged...'

That's quite a Bush-ism really. Spilling out your actual thoughts by accident. It reminds me of his "It's your money. You paid for it." classic.

QuoteOver 100,000 dead, over 2,00 and over 100 US / British soldiers dead, COUNTRIES INFRASTUCTURE IN RUINS, CIVIL WAR, SADDAMMAKES MOCKERY OF HIS "TRAIL" - LONDOM BOMBED - THANKS BUSH! He is happy is he!?

LEN WILLIS, LONDON

More shouty incoherence. I'm glad his name is in capitals, I wouldn't have been able to read it otherwise.

Purple Tentacle

QuoteWhen are these ill informed Bush/Blair/America bashers going to realise it's NOT Coalition troops attacking Iraqi's, it is NOT Iraqi's attacking each other, it IS insurgents from 'OUTSIDE' Iraq attacking democracy and 'ANYONE' who happens to disagree with them.

Lucy Wells, Dunstable, United Kingdom

I'm just going to pop 'OUTSIDE' for a pint of 'MILK', would 'ANYONE' like one?

Milo

QuoteI do not think anyone has the right to demand treatment unless they have done their bit by volunteering at least once for drug trials.

I'm sure that's bordering on insanity but can't quite put my finger on why.