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Richard Littlejohn charms the world again
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2006, 04:57:15 PM »
http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/opinion/viewarticle.aspx?id=447476

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Prostitutes aren’t working girls
Published on 20/12/2006

PROSTITUTES are not working girls.

Working girls are shop assistant, lawyers, businesswoman, hairdressers among many other occupations.

It is insulting and muddle-headed to lump together women who jump into cars with perfect strangers to service their sexual desires with the overwhelming majority of women who are revolted by the very idea.

The new euphemism for prostitutes, so fashionable with police officers and sections of the media, is demeaning to other women.

We are now so ridiculously politically correct and so terrified of being deemed “judgemental’’ that we are again softening our language.

Sex workers is the other euphemism in vogue. It makes prostitutes sound like a cross between office clerks and missionaries.

Of course, we feel pity for the victims of the Suffolk Strangler and we feel sorry for their families. Every murdered prostitute began life as a innocent child. They are all somebody’s daughter.

But why did their families abandon them to a sordid life on the streets? If it is all about drug addiction, did their families move heaven and earth to get them help to beat their addiction?

Prostitution is the oldest game in the world. There have always been women who prefer to make a lot of money by selling their bodies when the alternative is a meagre existence by earning an honest living. There always will be.

Just please don’t call them working girls.

Memo to the police: the alternative to the word prostitute is hooker.

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« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2006, 05:00:40 PM »
Didn't even have the courage to put their name to it. Even fucking Littlejohn did that much.

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« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2006, 05:02:02 PM »
Quote from: "Beloved Aunt"
Obviously that didn't include the time it takes to read the article, otherwise you'd see it doesn't support Littlejohn's fantastical 'point' at all.


It doesn't support him but it's still a fucking stupid article, she seems to be complaining about the stigma surrounding prostitution while simultaneously reinforcing it.


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There's a point in trying to raise consciousness that prostitution is a hellish existence, and yes, strangulation is one the risks.


It's a hellish and risky business because of the it's stigmatised and ignored by the public, the law and media cunts like Littlejohn.

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« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2006, 05:06:46 PM »
That News And Star article reads like it was written with the Littlejohn article on the desk next to it. Bit cowardly to run it unsigned.

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Memo to the police: the alternative to the word prostitute is hooker.

No it's not, that's an Americanism. In this country a hooker runs up and down the turf.

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There have always been women who prefer to make a lot of money by selling their bodies


A lot of money? Can anyone locate a list of prices from somewhere like punternet? When you consider how long it takes, I would say each prostitute has about 3-5 "punters" a night, if she's on the street (harder to attract people). Say £25 for full sex, and assuming every punter wanted this, it would only be £100 a night. Which has got to cover rent, food, utlity bills, the cost of condoms and cotton wool. And every second you're wondering if the bloke will attack you.

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Working girls are shop assistant, lawyers, businesswoman, hairdressers among many other occupations.


Oh, I'm sure they'd love to be called working girls. The author does not seem to understand the use of slang. Does it think that Tony Blair is called a "working boy"?

Oh, and addressing the Littlejohn article, wouldn't the police have to prosecute a woman who walked into their nick annoucing she was a hard drug addict and a prostitute in the area?

Soverign, you could try Ofcom, I think it does the PCC's job now.

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« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2006, 05:08:19 PM »
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Quote from: "Borboski"
There's a point in trying to raise consciousness that prostitution is a hellish existence, and yes, strangulation is one the risks.


It's a hellish and risky business because of the it's stigmatised and ignored by the public, the law and media cunts like Littlejohn.


I don't know, it depends if you fundementally see it something which isn't acceptable in any form - there were some very tasy looking escort girls out with 50 year old AIG (Man Utd sponsors) in Opus 40 the other night.  I'm sure they get paid a load of money, and it is very safe, but I still don't think it's a pleasant existence.

Not so liberal after all, eh?!

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« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2006, 05:15:11 PM »
I agree with Brutus. Personally, I don't see it as a pleasant profession, but I am aware that the lives of those who are in it are more important than my sensibilities. And seeing as it doesn't seem like prostitution will be going away soon, I think it's best that we do all we reasonably can to keep these women safe. What I can't stand is the Littlejohn attitude that they somehow brought it on themselves.

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« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2006, 05:18:14 PM »
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There is a nasty whiff of Lady Di about the enforced mood of mourning, with even the Old Bill coming across like hand-wringing archbishops.


I haven't noticed programs being cancelled to make way for documentaries (well, Channel 4 did run a special, once). I haven't noticed a parade through Ipswitch with grieving onlookers throwing flowers at herses. I haven't noticed any "She was the People's Prostitute" and I haven't noticed Elton John singing by the roadside.No have I noticed anything from the media except the desire to be as nosy as possible, even if it means destroying innocent lives

Magus Linklater, on the other hand, has written some sense.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2512023,00.html

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I have no idea whether Tom Stephens, the 37-year-old local man being held, or Steve Wright, who was arrested yesterday, is the killer. But the details of the private life of Mr Stephens have been so gloatingly exposed, so carefully tailored to the known facts, that they are enough to give innuendo a bad name.

In an episode of Cracker any “loner” who frequents prostitutes, lives locally, knows the girls who have been killed and admits that he has no alibi, is not just a prime suspect, he would be so obvious a murderer that he would be eliminated before the break. All this we know, courtesy of the Sunday Mirror, which interviewed Mr Stephens at length before his arrest, and the BBC, which broadcast details after it.

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« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2006, 05:20:05 PM »
A Littlejohn reader says:

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Richard, you say what most people think but are to afraid to put into words for fear of the politically correct lobby which is small but very vocal.
some of us just gave up and left the country they loved .  - Geoff, thailand


Hmm, Thailand eh?

*wonders....*

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« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2006, 05:28:08 PM »
Quote from: "Jack Shaftoe"
A Littlejohn reader says:

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Richard, you say what most people think but are to afraid to put into words for fear of the politically correct lobby which is small but very vocal.
some of us just gave up and left the country they loved .  - Geoff, thailand


Hmm, Thailand eh?

*wonders....*


Ever  seen  ex-pats  in  Thailand ?  There  is  a  vast  number  of   heavily  sun-burned  fifty-something  year  old   men  walking  proudly  along  the  streets  with  young,  bored  looking  Thai  women  hanging  on  their  arms.

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« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2006, 05:34:15 PM »
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I think thats more to do with the mawkish sentimentality that the kind of papers he writes for glory in.

I cannot believe this glaringly obvious irony has completely escaped him. What a cock mongrel.

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« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2006, 05:38:37 PM »
Quote from: "gatchamandave"
Ever  seen  ex-pats  in  Thailand ?  There  is  a  vast  number  of   heavily  sun-burned  fifty-something  year  old   men  walking  proudly  along  the  streets  with  young,  bored  looking  Thai  children  hanging  on  their  arms.


Corrected.

Is there still a 'whoops, new page!' filter?

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« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2006, 06:00:48 PM »
That's more where I was going with it...

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« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2006, 06:43:23 PM »
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As is Felatio Imperative's swiftness in defending him. You don't have to justify everything any right-wing fuckwit ever says, you know.




Well I do if I agree with him, surely? Why couldn't these girls have got a job stacking shelves in Tescos like everybody else? Nobody forced them to be whores. Their own greed and insatiable appetite for drugs meant they were willing to sacrifice their own safety, risking their children growing up without a mother, just so they could get easy money for their next fix. We all know that prostitution is a dangerous game. To be murdered or raped is, as any 'lady of the night' will testify, an occupational hazard. Yes yes, the murderer is scum and the women all victims, but live by the sword and you shall surely die by it.

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« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2006, 06:47:56 PM »
Blimey.

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« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2006, 06:47:57 PM »
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That doesn't make it justifiable homicide, but in the scheme of things the deaths of these five women is no great loss.


5 women....or Richard Littlejohn...

Quote from: "Felatio imperative"
To be murdered or raped is, as any 'lady of the night' will testify, an occupational hazard


I will, I was murdered last night and I woke up this morning with a horrific headache.

Come on, getting in a car isn't 'inviting a car crash' and a woman going out with a short skirt isn't inviting rape or murder.

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« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2006, 07:23:44 PM »
Quote from: "Felatio Imperative"
but live by the sword and you shall surely die by it.


But that isn't what happened. They didn't go out and kill 5 prostitutes, they slept with men for a living. One of those is clearly far worse than the other, to me anyway.

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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2006, 07:25:37 PM »
Quote from: "Shoulders?-Stomach!"


Come on, getting in a car isn't 'inviting a car crash' and a woman going out with a short skirt isn't inviting rape or murder.



Going out with a short skirt? I think there's a tad more to it than that. Soliciting sex with complete strangers is hardly a risk free enterprise.

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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2006, 07:30:56 PM »
Quote from: "hencole"
Quote from: "Felatio Imperative"
but live by the sword and you shall surely die by it.


But that isn't what happened. They didn't go out and kill 5 prostitutes, they slept with men for a living. One of those is clearly far worse than the other, to me anyway.



Join the army and there's a chance you'll get shot. Prowl the streets defenceless and alone in the midnight hour and go with complete strangers and there is a chance that one or more of those strangers won't be an upstanding gentleman.
The concept of prostitution being dangerous is not a radical one.

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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2006, 07:36:19 PM »
Quote from: "Felatio Imperative"
Quote from: "hencole"
Quote from: "Felatio Imperative"
but live by the sword and you shall surely die by it.


But that isn't what happened. They didn't go out and kill 5 prostitutes, they slept with men for a living. One of those is clearly far worse than the other, to me anyway.



Join the army and there's a chance you'll get shot. Prowl the streets defenceless and alone in the midnight hour and go with complete strangers and there is a chance that one or more of those strangers won't be an upstanding gentleman.
The concept of prostitution being dangerous is not a radical one.


But they weren't killed by prostitution they were killed by murder. Your equating the things as the same by saying 'live by the sword die by the sword'.

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« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2006, 07:40:28 PM »
Fellatio Imperative (interesting screen name for someone on such a moral crusade!)....I don't think you understand the meaning of that 'live by the sword' Idiom, it means that people should expect to be treated according to the way they treat other people, those prostitutes may have been stupid, reckless and irresponsible, but there's no way you could say that their behaviour was intentionally murderous, unless they were knowingly infecting people with AIDS or something.

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« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2006, 07:52:29 PM »
Quote from: "Labian Quest"
Fellatio Imperative (interesting screen name for someone on such a moral crusade!)....I don't think you understand the meaning of that 'live by the sword' Idiom, it means that people should expect to be treated according to the way they treat other people, those prostitutes may have been stupid, reckless and irresponsible, but there's no way you could say that their behaviour was intentionally murderous, unless they were knowingly infecting people with AIDS or something.



I think it applies. They willingly entered a world of sleaze and deprevation and it was that what done 'em in.
What other idiom would be appropriate? Where there's muck there's a brass?

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« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2006, 07:53:11 PM »
If people selling newspapers on the streets all of a sudden started getting kidnapped and executed - the police condemned it but the nature of streetselling meant that it was very hard for them to reasonably enforce them... would you then say "eh you live by the sword" or would you request that the state improve the way if secures the safety of it's citizens?

Is it the fact that prostitution is criminal, or that it's dirty skanky women that makes you think... what?  That it isn't a problem?

I don't know what we want to achieve by stating that prostitution is dangerous.  "Nobody forced them to be whores."  So you honestly think that there is anything illuminating about that statement?  All it does it betray your prejudices. Why use the word "whores"/

'Because I call a spade a spade', no doubt, unfortunately, clever sorts read that as shorthand for "Because I am a twat".

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« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2006, 07:58:28 PM »
Quote from: "Borboski"
If people selling newspapers on the streets all of a sudden started getting kidnapped and executed - the police condemned it but the nature of streetselling meant that it was very hard for them to reasonably enforce them... would you then say "eh you live by the sword" or would you request that the state improve the way if secures the safety of it's citizens?

Is it the fact that prostitution is criminal, or that it's dirty skanky women that makes you think... what?  That it isn't a problem?

I don't know what we want to achieve by stating that prostitution is dangerous.  "Nobody forced them to be whores."  So you honestly think that there is anything illuminating about that statement?  All it does it betray your prejudices. Why use the word "whores"/

'Because I call a spade a spade', no doubt, unfortunately, clever sorts read that as shorthand for "Because I am a twat".




Should drug dealers be offered police protection too? Should I be calling them 'recreational mind enlightenment dispensers', like all you 'clever sorts'?

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« Reply #53 on: December 20, 2006, 08:01:19 PM »
Quote from: "Felatio Imperative"
I think it applies. They willingly entered a world of sleaze and deprevation and it was that what done 'em in.
What other idiom would be appropriate? Where there's muck there's a brass?


Oh fuck off you tedious cunt.  I suppose that policewoman that was shot deserves no sympathy either?

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« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2006, 08:06:47 PM »
Quote from: "Brutus Beefcake"
Quote from: "Felatio Imperative"
I think it applies. They willingly entered a world of sleaze and deprevation and it was that what done 'em in.
What other idiom would be appropriate? Where there's muck there's a brass?


Oh fuck off you tedious cunt.  I suppose that policewoman that was shot deserves no sympathy either?



You use the old 'tedious cunt' line quite a bit, don't you? Learn some new swear words, you tedious cunt.

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« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2006, 08:09:09 PM »
Well, even if this thread was originally pointless, it's very clearly developed a point - giving Felatio Imperative more than enough rope to hang himself with.

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« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2006, 08:11:20 PM »
"Live by the sword die by the sword."

So soldiers don't deserve are sympathy if they snuff it then, going by your interpretation of that? They put themselves at risk, mixing with murderous folk etc.

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« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2006, 08:12:16 PM »
Quote from: "Still Not George"
Well, even if this thread was originally pointless, it's very clearly developed a point - giving Felatio Imperative more than enough rope to hang himself with.


But I'm not even suffering from friction burns.




10 - 9 - 8 - 7...............

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« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2006, 08:13:33 PM »
Oh, no. You don't get off that easily. 10 seconds is not nearly enough time.

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« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2006, 08:13:41 PM »
Quote from: "Catalogue Trousers"
Didn't even have the courage to put their name to it. Even fucking Littlejohn did that much.


Quote from: "Mister Cairo"
That News And Star article reads like it was written with the Littlejohn article on the desk next to it. Bit cowardly to run it unsigned.


Ah, I didn't notice it didn't have her name in it. It's by Jane Loughran ("an award-winning feature writer and columnist whose weekly views on current affairs will always provoke reaction") and was printed in tonight's News & Star -- alongside her email address, if anyone wants to let her know what they thought...