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The Dark Knight

Started by Sivead, April 23, 2007, 07:13:04 PM

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Dark Sky

Quote from: "Deadman97"
Quote from: "Dark Sky"No I think it does.  I am 55% sure of it.
There's not, you know. I just flicked through it. There's really not.

No there is.  You are very very mistaken.  I am 47% sure of it.

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

Are you thinking of the bit where Bruce and Liam Neeson have a swordfight on a glacier?

Dark Sky

I just remember some shots of Christian Bale and a Monk up a mountain doing "kung fu monk training" stuff, with the monk guy saying things like, "you have to find your fear!" or something.

Did I really make that up?

Deadman97

Well, yeah, Ra's Al Ghul trains Wayne on top of a huge mountain, and uses the fear toxin for part of his training, but there ain't no monk and it's certainly no montage. I reckon if you had another look you'd realise that the things you hate about it are all lies you've told yourself, and that it's actually a really good film.

samadriel

I suggest switching it off about four fifths through it though.

The Duck Man

Deadman, believe me if you'd had hundreds of MSN conversations with Dark Sky, like I have, you'd know he's not going to budge one inch on this. Watched Saving Private Ryan yet you cantankerous old bastard?

Oh, I agree with him about Batman Begins, incidentally.

Dark Sky

Quote from: "Deadman97"Well, yeah, Ra's Al Ghul trains Wayne on top of a huge mountain, and uses the fear toxin for part of his training, but there ain't no monk and it's certainly no montage.

If there's a single edit during the scene then it is a montage of images and therefore I win yay!

And I thought he was a monk...isn't there a big fight in his monastery?

QuoteI reckon if you had another look you'd realise that the things you hate about it are all lies you've told yourself, and that it's actually a really good film.

Oh fine okay, I'll probably end up seeing it again someday.  That won't suddenly make it a "really good film", though.  Or even a "good film".  Or even a "film".

Marv Orange

Quote from: "Dark Sky"
Quote from: "Deadman97"Well, yeah, Ra's Al Ghul trains Wayne on top of a huge mountain, and uses the fear toxin for part of his training, but there ain't no monk and it's certainly no montage.

If there's a single edit during the scene then it is a montage of images and therefore I win yay!

Not so fast.

QuoteMontage: A relatively rapid succession of different shots in a movie.

One cut doesnt cut it.

Dark Sky

Does TOO if one is being anally literal in a get out way to attempt to win a point gleaned via a tenuous literal analysis of a word rather than the accepted meaning it has come to mean as the vocabulary of cinema has become more commonplace simply in an attempt to not have to back down on an otherwise obviously incorrect statement one has made.

Deadman97


How fucking cool is that?

Catalogue Trousers

Not quite as cool as the badges given away supporting Billy Dee Williams's campaign to become District Attorney of Gotham in Burton's first Batman film? That sounds about right to me.

Xander

And it's been announced that Nestor Carbonell of Suddenly Susan and The Tick fame will be playing the Mayor. Again, not quite as cool the Chris Walken/Danny De Vito double act. Still, I like that bumper sticker, and hold out hope for this film.

P K Duck

Quote from: "Mister Six"
Quote from: "P K Duck"The super-fast-edit-gotta-bring-the-rating-down is standard fare these days. It has screwed up horror films and action films alike, and very odd when you consider its absence in genuinely gory films like Jurrasic Park and LoTR.

Is it definitely to bring down the rating or do you just think that? Because I can't see how it would apply to something like Pirates of the Caribbean, which had people getting their eyes pecked out by crows, horrible zombies and disembodied hands...

Yes indeed, I believe the measure is of how likely an impresionable person is to be able to emulate the violence being depicted. So Batman breaking arms with a cool martial art strike is a no-no, and we get shaky-cam-fast-edit showing nothing, but a crow graphically eating an eyeball is "okay", and we get lingering close-up.

I can sort-of see the reasoning behind the idea, It's all to avoid a lawsuit. Chuck your brother off the roof all you want, just don't shout "I'm BATMAN!" as you do it... They know it doesn't reduce stupidity, kids have been chucking each other off rooftops ever since rooftops were built, so it must be to minimise potential legal action.


See... isn't this what "Director's Cuts" are for? Slicing back in all the cool-stuff that got chopped to maximise first-weekend ticket-sales? "Batman Begins: Legal Waiver Edition" available over the internet with a tick-box "I exempt this film from blame when I throw my brother off the roof".

amputeeporn



This is mighty cool. Cards like this were found hidden throughout a comic-book store in America. If you can't see, they say "I believe in Havey Dent too". Also, a website has been launched with the same name, here.

Taken from Superherohype:

QuoteWarner Bros. is really kicking-off the viral campaign for The Dark Knight early! In addition to the official website launching with a link to IBelieveinHarveyDent.com, the studio has also brought online a site made by the Joker. At IBelieveinHarveyDentToo.com, fans get a look at a defaced Harvey Dent image. But the cool thing is that you can enter your e-mail and a code. You'll receive an e-mail with a link and X and Y coordinates that will reveal one pixel from an image underneath!

What will the image be?

lipsink

Is that official? So that's our first glimps then of him?

I typed in my email address but got no email. Anyone else try?

Xander

I did. It doesn't seem to work for yahoo/hotmail, but it does work for gmail apparently. I used my university address and you get a message from someone called 'tragicpast@ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com' with the subject heading 'Defacing Public Servants'. You get the message 'I always say, you never know what a man is truly made of until you peel the skin off his face one piece at a time. Here is your chance to help:' and some coordinates to enter. Put em in, revealed a bit of his forehead.

Also, if you try to add him as a friend or respond to his e-mail, you get one back saying 'People always ask me about my charming boyish smile. Jessica used to love it. She was the loneliest girl in high school, and my first big kiss...'

And if you go back to aint it cool news you can see a photoshopped image which is essentially what the final image will look like, since we have enough now for people to clean it up.

lipsink

Ah right! I quite like the pic I have to say. But what's meant to be the origin of the scarring? The guy at aintitcool doesn't seem to explain any further.

Deadman97

I don't say this often, but OMFG.

lipsink

In a good way or bad?

Xander

I'm kinda glad they've moved away from a cartoonish Joker. Though i'd love a Brian Bolland style Joker, it would have never fit with Heath Ledger. I want an actually batshit insane Joker and it looks like they could pull it off. As for the scarring and origin, I don't know.

Deadman97

Quote from: "lipsink"In a good way or bad?
The Joker and Harvey Dent sparring online? I'm a pleased fan today.

lipsink

Why the hell did Katie Holmes turn this film down? Surely she needs a credible franchise like this to build her career and distance herself from Tom Cruise's PR nightmare. Id say Maggie will probably be better though.

I think they should leave the Harvey Dent scarring to the third film, give us some time to get to know Dent.

Argh, I can't fucking wait a whole year!!!

amputeeporn

I heard that it was the plan to have Dent scarred in the third film, when The Joker is on trial. And yes, all this is very exciting to a fan-boy!

surreal

Quote from: "amputeeporn"I heard that it was the plan to have Dent scarred in the third film, when The Joker is on trial. And yes, all this is very exciting to a fan-boy!

just hope Nolan sticks with it, unlike Singer and X-Men - when he effectively ruined 2 franchises for the price of one.

amputeeporn

Quote from: "surreal"
Quote from: "amputeeporn"I heard that it was the plan to have Dent scarred in the third film, when The Joker is on trial. And yes, all this is very exciting to a fan-boy!

just hope Nolan sticks with it, unlike Singer and X-Men - when he effectively ruined 2 franchises for the price of one.

True. Superman looked so pretty, and I liked the idea of this God hovering in the earth's orbit and hearing everything. The finished product though, what a mess. So dull. No re-watch value, wheeling out the old Kryptonite for the Nth time. As far as that Routh fella went, he did a good job with what was there, but Spacey's Luthor was terrible. It was such a dissapointment. In my opinion, Spider-Man 2 remains the best comic book movie yet. It has a real warmth to it, if The Dark Knight can improve upon Begins like S2 did on S1, then this will be great.

Xander

Keep your eye on that Joker site. He's almost fully uncovered. I wonder if anything else will happen...

batwings


Sivead

meh, the cut smile could of worked...

Anyway, how the hell they going to market that!? it's a bit much for posters and what not.

amputeeporn

I think it looks fantastic, a great way to make this Joker a real-world yet faithful interpretation. It also makes it seem more accidental than the out-right smile of Jack Nicholson's (in my opinion, quite poor) version. He looks genuinely sinister there. I suppose with posters, sillhouettes and shadows will be their friends.

Straight Faced Customer

Wow, Sivead, where is that image taken from?