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Top 100 Rap Insults
« on: November 29, 2007, 05:22:45 AM »
Branching out on the rap list threads, hip hop is the most lyrically confrontational genre out there, unless you count grindcore or nazi punk, which I don't.

There are some great insults, but more than that there are some bloody awful insults. This is a place for either, because sometimes the greatest insults are the crap, the weak, the inoffensive.

1. Curb Your Enthusiasm, Krazy Eyez Killah
Quote from: Krazy
If you say anythin', you'll beg me to die,
'Cuz I'll make you suck my dick, and I'll nut in your eye.
I'll stomp on your world, like my name was Godzilla,
I'm comin' for you motherfucker, I'm your Krazy Eyez Killa.

And, in the video, I'ma be all like, *takes sunglasses off, widens eyes*

2. Eminem - Kill You
Quote from: Marshall
You better kill me! I'ma be another rapper dead
for poppin off at the mouth with shit I shouldn'ta said
But when they kill me - I'm bringin the world with me
Bitches too! You ain't nuttin but a girl to me
.. I said you don't, wanna fuck with Shady (cause why?)
Cause Shady, will fuckin kill you (ah-haha)
I said you don't, wanna fuck with Shady (why?)
Cause Shady, will fuckin kill you..

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Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2007, 08:00:12 AM »
3. Tim Dog - "Fuck Compton"

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUoGFU7VnMM[/youtube]

This "diss" rap was released in 1991 and caused a bit of a stir as it was around the beginnings of the whole east coast-west coast rivalry ("beef"). Tim Dog came from New York and decided to express his annoyance at the fact that hip-hop in his city was taking a media and commercial back-seat with the rise of west coast rap. He did so in the form of an angry, threatening rap directed towards the likes of N.W.A.

Quote from: Tim Dog
Oh shit mutherfuckas step to the rear and cheer
'Cause Tim Dog is here
Let's get down to the nitty gritty
And talk about a bullshit city
Talking about niggaz from Compton
They're no comp and they truly ain't stomping
Tim Dog a black man's task
I'm so bad I'll whip Superman's ass
All you suckers that rif on the West Coast
I'll dis and spray your ass like a roach
Ya think you're cool wit your curls and your shades
I'll roll thick and you'll be yelling raid
One hard brother that lives in New York
Where brothers are hard and we don't have to talk

Shut your mouth before we come out stomping
Hey, yo Eazy
Fuck Compton

That looks like talking to me. And, of course, what is Tim Dog wearing over his eyes in the video? Maybe the crazy fool's being "ironic".

4. Nas - "Ether"

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pncvkr9-GqY[/youtube]

This one was directed towards Jay-Z during an on-going verbal feud between himself and Nas. The feud became so ridiculously hyped at one stage that there were rumours of a live pay-per-view freestyle battle taking place. Sadly, this hilarious venture was never realised.

Quote from: Nas
Brace yourself for the main event
Y'all impatiently waitin
It's like an AIDS test, what's the results?
Not positive, who's the best? Pac, Nas and Big

I love how he so casually inserts a mention of an AIDS test in there as if one could truly compare the wait to hear who Nas thinks are the greatest rappers and the wait to hear whether or not you've got AIDS. The last line there is a nasty play on a line from Jay-Z's "Where I'm From", which went: "Who's the best MCs? Biggie, Jay-Z, and Nas". This had been released at a time when Jay-Z would have licked Nas's boots. Nas also refers to Jay-Z as "Gay-Z" with "dick suckin' lips" who explodes his "ammo" on "a camel, and his soldiers", which, understandably, wasn't received very well by the latter.

He goes on to patronise the older Jay-Z, who had once been an admirer of Nas's work.

Quote from: Nas
Y'all niggas deal with emotions like bitches
What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother
You traded your soul for riches
My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous
And now I smile like a proud dad, watchin his only son that made it
You seem to be only concerned with dissin women
Were you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly?

Once again, I find the casual association of being abused as a child and being called ugly by a few girls to be unintentionally humourous. Still, I might find these feuds petty, farcical and comical, but I guess I'd rather listen to this than hear Fat Joe (formerly Fat Joe da Gangsta) trying to spar with 50 Cent. Fat Joe once suggested that he and 50 Cent have a physical scrap, before later questioning 50 Cent's authenticity and claims to being "in da club" by offering $1,000 to anyone who could produce a photo of 50 Cent in a night-club.

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Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2007, 08:41:50 AM »
Where do these guys get it? It really seems to be part of the urban black culture, this petty bickering, vandetta-keeping lark. As to how it developed, I do not know. Many African-American boxers, for example, involve themselves in such silly shenanigans and they just look silly for it. It's very entertaining, but you'll often find yourself laughing at them rather than with them. You cringe when you hear Mike Tyson saying he'll eat an opponents children, for example. I know Huzzie posted the following clips of the Hatton-Mayweather press conference in the boxing thread and it doesn't really have a huge amount to do with rapping, but they're farcical bordering on the surreal and the antics of Mayweather do seem connected in a cultural sense to the whole notion of persistently peddling out juvenile, unsophisticated insults.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH3ikFLibu4[/youtube][youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUBcM0saMhk&feature=related[/youtube]

Hatton's response to and laughter with the crowd over Mayweather's behaviour cracks me up every time. He obviously sees Mayweather as an utter clown. And rightly so.

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Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 09:38:16 AM »
Got to agree with Ether I love that track mainly because many thought Nas had fell off before that and that Jay Z had killed him with Takeover. But when Nas came out with Stillmatic he claimed back the throne. But anyway that leads me on to Jay Z's Nas diss (he also takes some shots at Mobb Deep),

5. Jay Z - Takeover
[youtube=425,350]http://youtube.com/watch?v=bZrhRrd1i40[/youtube]

The next track is not a full-out diss track, it's more of a smart song about telling a famous rap song another way around, but it definitely has the undercurrents of disrespect.

6. Canibus - You Didn't Care (Stan II)
[youtube=425,350]http://youtube.com/watch?v=JdDRsf2dNeA[/youtube]

Eminem obviously takes the opportunity to respond with a diss track that mentions the Pet Shop Boys.

7. Eminem - Can-I-Bitch
[youtube=425,350]http://youtube.com/watch?v=v-m6cPkXWUI[/youtube]

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Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2007, 12:43:12 PM »
It's more of a boast, being too broadly directed to count as a proper insult, but I favour

I got the juice
And all else got the pith
And I'm tough under pressure
Just like Sarah-Jane Smith


From Regurgitator's "I Will Lick Your Arsehole".  Ahh, '97, those were the days.

Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2007, 01:16:34 PM »
Fat Joe once suggested that he and 50 Cent have a physical scrap, before later questioning 50 Cent's authenticity and claims to being "in da club" by offering $1,000 to anyone who could produce a photo of 50 Cent in a night-club.

That 50 Cent/Nas/Fat Joe/Jadakiss 'beef' was a pretty lame publicity stunt, but at least spawned this brilliance - Jadakiss' 'Checkmate'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVbPjUgZobA

Ice Cube and Eazy E's back-and-forth diss tracks were ace, but Cube vs the rest of NWA on 'No Vaseline' is the best of the lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvRc7pwnt0U


Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2007, 04:45:05 PM »
I guess the obvious one for this thread would be the entirety of Tupac's 'Hit 'em up' although the lyrics are a bit route one.

quadraspazzed

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Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2007, 05:12:55 PM »
11. Dr. Dre and Snoop - Fuck With Dre Day

The whole thing really, but especially this bit which seems to be suggesting Eazy's a peado.

Quote
Yeah, that's what the fuck I'm talkin about
We have your motherfuckin record company surrounded
Put down the candy and let the little boy go
You know what I'm sayin, punk motherfucker

Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2007, 05:26:34 PM »
Eminem's 'The Sauce' is one of the great diss-songs, a real tour de force, going all out against 'Benzino' and The Source magazine.

Quote
You wanna talk about some shit that you dont know about? ya
Lets talk about how your puttin you own son out there
To try to eat off him, cuz you missed your boat
Your never gonna blow bitch, you're just too old
No wonder your sore now lordy your bored now
I'm pushin' thirty your kickin' forty's door down
Bitch this is war now, and you'll never beat me
all you do is cheat me out of quotables but you know
that you'll always see me on your TV
Cos you gotta stay up till three in the morning
To see your video played once on BET


The best, and most fiersome rap insult I've heard in recent months is 50 Cent's P Diddy diss. Although he's not fit to use the beat he does (Dead Pres' 'Hip Hop'), the diss is pretty venemous, making reference to the West's apparent dislike of Diddy:

Quote
Who shot Biggie Smalls?, If we don't get them, they gon' kill us all
Man Puffy knows who hit that nigga, man that nigga soft.
He's scared them boys from the west side'll break him off,
jump on his ass so he run to Harlem, shake 'em off


Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2007, 07:07:23 PM »
12- Common -The Bitch In You
The most laid back diss ever Common absolutely destroys Ice Cube
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnO0IwzVmvs[/youtube]
13 - De La Soul – The Stakes Are High
No specific rapper dissed but this song is so powerful basically De La Soul tearing the gangster rap shit apart that they felt was destroying Hip Hop. It’s very powerful.[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF2C051CuBY[/youtube]
14 - Dilated Peoples -Search 4 Bobby Fisher
One of the very few decent acts that dissed EMINEM and to be fair it’s a a pretty strong effort.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8hE8CV5rWg[/youtube]
15 Westside Connection -King Of The Hill
No its not Cube dissing the TV show, its the track where he murders Cypress Hill
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiHPK-agg_E[/youtube]
« Last Edit: November 29, 2007, 07:33:22 PM by rjd2 »

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Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2007, 07:29:57 PM »
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxOG2NE2gmU[/youtube]
Beastie Boys - Professor Booty
Last verse aimed at 3rd bass' MC Search's for their attacks.

Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2007, 07:35:02 PM »
Lads this is a good thread like the last rap one but seriously number your tracks so we know where we are in the list!!!!

Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2007, 08:41:15 PM »
Lads this is a good thread like the last rap one but seriously number your tracks so we know where we are in the list!!!!

Oh I'm sorry, are you taking notes?

Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2007, 10:14:39 PM »

Hatton's response to and laughter with the crowd over Mayweather's behaviour cracks me up every time. He obviously sees Mayweather as an utter clown. And rightly so.

I thought The crowd and Hatton came off worse in those clips. 'urr your gay' isn't very witty.

Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2007, 12:14:45 PM »
Oh I'm sorry, are you taking notes?
It’s a list thread mate so it is kind of important to know where we are. Anyways let’s not have another Biggie v Pac war on this board! (Insert cheeky smiley)

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Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2007, 03:16:43 PM »
I thought The crowd and Hatton came off worse in those clips. 'urr your gay' isn't very witty.

Aye, I'm aware of that (I wasn't necessarily saying that Hatton's comments were above board either), but I was just analysing the African-American cultural side of it for the purposes of the thread. Many of the mannerisms associated with hip-hop spire from urban black youth culture in the US and you could nearly be forgiven for thinking that Mayweather was a gangster rapper rather than a boxer judging by the way he conducts himself. I often see rappers who decide to "diss" their "brothers" as being petty and missing the bigger picture. There are much more important issues out there that they could highlight rather than announce a private feud to the world and maintain it in the public spotlight. Nas's "I Can", for example, is much more important in a socio-musical sense than any of his Jay-Z "disses" could ever be. In saying that, the insults are all part and parcel of the game, I guess. Ultimately, I see them as a form of light entertainment that can spawn some fantastic rapping (not always) while I don't take their substance overly seriously, although the same cannot always be said for some of the protagonists who can often resort to guns over words. For example, if Jay-Z is actually going to take being called "Gay-Z" really thick, you'd have to worry for the man's mental and sexual security. I can only imagine that he would respond to a "diss" in order to maintain his "cred" in the hip-hop world, while it can also prove a fruitful opportunity to create a few controversial, money-spinning records. By and large, I can let the trivial subject-matter pass if it simultaneously showcases lyrical or productive talent. A Tribe Called Quest, for example, were able to write a track about something as trivial as Q-Tip leaving his wallet in El Segundo and it was amazing.

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Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2007, 03:36:24 PM »
I think the best diss records are the ones where you can tell that each rapper has respect for each other, which means they put more effort into their diss tracks to try to one-up each other. That was the case with Jay Z and Nas, you could tell they both liked each others music and had respect for each other, obviously that is shown that they are now label buddies. Another one that comes to mind is the Everlast vs Eminem battle, you tell from the disses and interviews that Eminem was a fan of Everlast's music and vice versa.

Anyway I think we're up to 17.
17. Everlast - Eminem Diss
[youtube=425,350]http://youtube.com/watch?v=qh50W8SkI6E[/youtube]

18. Eminem - I Remember (Everlast Diss)
[youtube=425,350]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bc9GTTxIai8[/youtube]

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Kool Keith could probably win this hands down ...
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2007, 10:21:22 PM »
I always liked Kool Keith's No Chorus from Dr Dooom's First Come, First Served...

Quote
Yeah..
You motherfuckers oughta let me go and finish this motherfuckin album
Dr. Dooom..
Name of this track is called I Don't Want the Motherfuckin Chorus
Whatever all the arrangements are we gon' go through
Fuck all the laws..
What the fuck was in your mind when you rapped on that track?
Who posessed you to do that? Who programmed - that shit sound wack
Unplug your mic
You motherfuckers rap under a bunch of fuckin hype
Programmed by the company, makin somethin cheap
Vocals sound like a nigga with no dough and a promo;
makin asses out of yourselves, tryin to rap solo
Suck my dick when you see me; avoid because you wanna be me
Y'all niggaz write like slouches puffin blunts on studio couches
What's up you fuckin amateur?
Your engineer'll cue in your bullshit cadence
That shit sounds simple; look at this nigga rhymin to hisself
Wack as fuck, smell like shit for one buck
Big crews don't want it -- y'all get it worse
Which one of y'all motherfuckers is waitin for the mic first?
I hope your bitch is in the audience
Your wife too, that's your fanbase -- plus your DJ's in the place
I'm about to boo you, let it be fair; when you come off-stage
ninety percent of the people that came on your guest list
ain't gon' be there
A big dissapointment when I rub your asshole with a verbal ointment
Rappers actin hard, nervous in the dressin room
with a security guard
Groupies standin round with they fuckin face frowned
Lookin like fuckin Homey the Clown
Put that Spring Water down man, you ain't sweatin
You motherfuckers did a ten minute weak show and you jettin;
your fans are mad - your performance was garbage bag
Look at these videotapes
Walkin back and forth grabbin your nuts like the Planet of the Apes
Supervise it, criticize it, y'all don't realize it
where the real guys at
Who's administrating your budget when you takin
that high picture for Right On with your ballroom light on
You know the night is kind of special like Lauryn bro
when I escort you to your car, you breakout bastards
Leave the premises and reminisce on your rookie season
after you first started
You try to work hard and you never paid no dues
like Cold Crush and Afrika Bambaata
You wack nigga, tryin to act large in the video in Nevada
You fuckin pink maggot; I'll take your mic, you can't have it
You niggaz be runnin around with ears open like fuckin bunny rabbits
That's right, Dr. Dooom
All you motherfuckers around the world sittin in studios with your boys
Hypin your shit up
Motherfuckers don't wanna tell you that your shit is wack
because they all yes men
Sittin around, carryin your roadie cases
Bein your fuckin cheerleaders
I'ma tell you straight, look in the fuckin mirror, you wack
That shit don't sound right, your mixdown ain't right
Your vocals are too low.. your fuckin cadence is off
Stage show's weak.. fuck you!

He doesn't even bother rhyming at the end. I'm not sure who he's dissing, perhaps Wu-Tang, maybe everyone.

Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2007, 01:16:11 AM »
Ice Cube's NWA diss is worthy of a place here, too:

[youtube=425,350]http://youtube.com/watch?v=DxG0HO9mVhE[/youtube]

Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2007, 10:20:46 AM »
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned 'The Bridge Wars' probably the significant hip hop beef of all time and in many ways the most culturally relevant as it was more than ego's and oneupmanship and was arguably a huge influence on the West Coast vs. East Coast rivalry.

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Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2007, 07:15:13 PM »
Not Rap but it's a shame that Bandwagon Blues by twisted individual isn't available on youtube, a great example of a sound sonic dissing.

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Re: Kool Keith could probably win this hands down ...
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2007, 07:22:33 PM »
I always liked Kool Keith's No Chorus from Dr Dooom's First Come, First Served...

Ah, great track. And all the better because Kool Keith does exactly the same chorus on every tune. Even that one he did with Regular Fries!

Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2007, 10:55:38 AM »
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned 'The Bridge Wars'

Without a doubt for me that's the single most most important rivalry in hip hop but I'm also surprised the thread has got this far without mention of the Roxanne Wars (initiated with UTFO's "Roxanne Roxanne" and Roxanne Shante's "Roxanne's Revenge" before seemingly half the world joined in with releasing a "Roxanne" track) which was key in really popularising the answer record a year before "The Bridge" kicked off. Up until that point whilst they'd been diss records and battles before we'd not really had anything ongoing quite like this and it was great fun hearing each new chapter for the first time. Well it WAS great fun until everyone got in on the act, releasing their own take on it or referencing it in a verse somewhere until the whole world got bored of it. Roxanne Shante then became part of the Bridge Wars a year or so later - dissed along with the Juice Crew by KRS1 on "The Bridge Is Over" as being "only good for steady fucking" before she answers back on the final verse of "Have A Nice Day"

There's also the Kool Moe Dee v LL Cool J conflict which began publicly with Kool Moe Dee's 1987 excellent "How Ya Like Me Now" album (the cover of which shows him fists raised whilst in the background LL's Kangol hat lies crushed until the wheels of a jeep) and lasted 6 or 7 years over several albums and a number of classic tracks

Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2007, 06:34:02 PM »
I thought The crowd and Hatton came off worse in those clips. 'urr your gay' isn't very witty.

Same. Fuck this gomba. At least Mayweather has charisma and some personality.

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Re: Top 100 Rap Insults
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2007, 07:09:20 PM »
The MF Doom/MF Grimm beef. Apparently started when Grimm told a journalist that Doom was making a lot of money, which Doom took as a personal attack rather than a casual observation, and began making stupid digs, like:

MF Doom - El Chupa Nibre
Quote
Once joined a rap clique, Midgets Into Crunk.

MF Doom - El Chupa Nibre remix
Quote
Once was in a rhyme crew, Monkeys Into Crime.

Both lines are references to the now-defunct group Monsta Island Czars (M.I.C.) and how he used to be a member but has since progressed into bigger and better things. the sleeve for his album 'Mm.. Food?' shows a picture of Doom eating a bowl of cereal. The bowl has 'The Finest' written on the side and he is shown eating little M.I.C.-shaped cereal nuggets.

MF Grimm, long time compadre of Doom, responded with an epic 6-minute track entitled The Book Of Daniel about how fame has brainwashed Doom (Daniel Dumille). I've never read the lyrics properly until just now, but man is that a great response! It seems as though there'd been tension for some time, but it came to a head when Doom made the rather petty jibe "midgets into crunk". Up until then Grimm had remained silent, but obviously that was the last straw.

Here's an audio stream of the track from YouTube, and below that are some of the finer lyrical disses of that particular track. A real masterpiece.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=j_NVoyTQFzc

Quote
We looked out for each other when you lived uptown
On the cover of the EP, but look at us now
Chess is life, we haven't played off late
But even on the cover, I put your ass in mate
...which is a reference to an EP they did together, on the cover the two are depicted playing chess:



Quote
Megalon, tap him in the jaw
Knock it off him
M.I.C. got to put your mask in a coffin
Mos Def, De La soul
Roots can't revive you
When the bullets start flying
Who's gonna hide you?
Rhymesayers, Stones Throw
Nature Sounds sign you
Make peace with you?
Zev I I tried to

Quote
Doing songs with RZA
That's funny shit
I remember you told me
That he bit Tick, Tick...
You said Ghost was whack
You didn't like his style
Two-faced and three-headed
Bitch I pull your file
New food poisoning
You vomit for a while
You started some shit
Now you sitting on a pile
Metal face, tin foil
Walk the green mile

Quote
Master water
Cause man is mostly made of it
Spit fire consume by friends compete for oxygen
Freeze deepness of minds
Then skate on it
Roast fire proof emcees with bad warranties
War is a part of me

Pure poetry. What's excellent is that the lyrics are as angry as they are deeply saddened. The guest MCs seem to be more abrupt and aggressive, but since Grimm and Doom go way back you can tell when he wrote the lyrics he was clearly devastated that one of his oldest friends could be so petty.

Though I prefer Doom's output to Grimm's based on originality, this is lyrical genius and sincerely from the heart, which sometimes Doom struggles to maintain, especially in the past couple of years where he seems to be all about making the kookiest and wittiest retorts. Doom definitely has an air of selling out about him whereas Grimm has always remained true to his beliefs and standards, never compromising to make great gangsta rap.