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Sony/ BMG say I've been a naughty boy on YouTube

Started by 23 Daves, April 22, 2008, 02:09:48 PM

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23 Daves

As some of you might be aware, I've uploaded a lot of material on to YouTube over the last few years - some XTC videos, a lot of Chart Show specialist chart clips, obscure indie music clips that nobody had bothered to put there already. 

This morning, I nearly shat myself when I got a message talking about "copyright infringement" seemingly from Sony, then breathed a sigh of relief when I read the following message:

QuoteSony/BMG has claimed some or all visual content in your video ITV Chart Show Top Ten March 1989. This claim was made as part of the YouTube Content Identification programme.

Your video is still live because Sony/BMG has authorised the use of this content on YouTube. As long as Sony/BMG has a claim on your video, they will receive public statistics about your video, such as number of views. Viewers may also see advertising on your video's page.

Claim Details:

Copyright owner:  Sony/BMG 
Content claimed:  Some or all of the visual content 
Policy:  Allow this content to remain on YouTube.


Send public statistics about this video to Sony/BMG.
Place advertisements on this video's watch page.

Late last year, one of my YouTube friends had almost all of his content wiped off his profile due to copyright infringement, as well as receiving a very heavy-handed message, so this is a step in the right direction... at the very least Sony have realised that they are benefitting in some way from the content being there, and I haven't received any threats or had a lot of tedious work undone.

On the other hand, though, as Mrs Daves has already pointed out, this does feel a tiny bit dirty.  They're already receiving free promotion and free labour off the clips (uploading stuff to YT is actually bloody slow and tedious going) which aren't even full-length - surely demanding rights to advertising space and the stat returns is just a bridge too far?  Or am I just being a bit unreasonable about this?

The whole tone of the thing seems designed to make you sigh with relief, then think "Oh well, that's not so bad, I suppose... I'll go along with that".  Welcome to the future of the internet...

Emma Raducanu

It's just their way of saying thanks, while keeping you in your place. Demand a free TV.

Ciarán

The videos you put up there - especially the Chart Show ones - are of great interest to anyone who's into the history of pop music on television. I think people like you are providing a great service and if anything deserve to be paid for the archival work you do. It's a world-gone-crazy where that sort of thing is frowned upon. I'm glad I copied some of your vids onto my hard-drive late last year all the same! ;-)

Lfbarfe

Looks to me like the Engulf and Devour entertainment monoliths have had an attack of enlightenment.

23 Daves

Quote from: Ciarán on April 22, 2008, 02:45:40 PM
The videos you put up there - especially the Chart Show ones - are of great interest to anyone who's into the history of pop music on television. I think people like you are providing a great service and if anything deserve to be paid for the archival work you do. It's a world-gone-crazy where that sort of thing is frowned upon. I'm glad I copied some of your vids onto my hard-drive late last year all the same! ;-)

It's worth doing as a precautionary measure, although there's a whole bunch of us keeping copies of this stuff, and you'll tend to find that what gets wiped does find its way back online eventually. We're always swapping DVDs and videos with each other, and at present some maniac has got hold of the earliest Chart Shows (1986/7) and is going through the long process of uploading the charts from them all.  He's managed to be even more anal about it than me, in fact.

I don't expect to be paid for doing this - it's just basic admin to upload videos, really, it doesn't require much in the way of creativity or intelligence, and I don't have to do it if I don't want to.  God knows there are enough things I've done in my life that I should actually have been paid for but wasn't (freelance work for publications who ran out of money, for example).  I am surprised by the heavyhanded approach of many record labels towards this sort of thing, though.  If memory serves, the last lot of uploads (done by a chap called James) were shredded due to an offending two minute segment of a copyrighted song.  I'm not quite sure what planet the lawyers are on, but if you as a consumer heard a clip of a song on Youtube with slightly below average sound quality, which would you do:

A/ Go out and buy the thing so you could enjoy it in full with decent stereo quality, or

B/ rip the thing from the Chart Show clip and listen to it continually cutting out with a bunch of video sound effects, devoid of the final chorus, and the intro and outro?

I suppose if you were some sort of audio pervert you might go for Option B, but I know for a fact that the guy who orginally uploaded the clips was really upset about weeks of work being trashed overnight.  Sometimes I wonder if the lawyers actually do this for fun - "Ha! Another victim!  Sad bastard, let's ruin their day!"

NoSleep

Sadly, somebody complained about STSanders "shreds" series and his account was removed. I'm only glad I ripped my favourites from his collection beforehand.

Fortunately, others have reposted on his behalf:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BrLEuzVCVQ&feature=related

El Unicornio, mang

The whole point of music videos is that they promote the band, as long as you're not altering them in any way I don't see the problem

NoSleep

That's true. I always thought late night TV was chocka with music-vids-filled programmes precisely because they were so cheap: virtually free advertising for record companies.

Ciarán

As if to add fuel to your argument 23Daves, after viewing some of the Chart Show clips you put up I went out and bought Wire's "It's Beginning To And Back Again" album. "Eardrum Buzz" was featured in the ITV Chart Show Indie Top 10 for April 1989.

I want my money back! It's a crap album! (I'm joking. It's not terrible actually, it's just ok.)

23 Daves

Quote from: Ciarán on April 22, 2008, 06:26:58 PM
As if to add fuel to your argument 23Daves, after viewing some of the Chart Show clips you put up I went out and bought Wire's "It's Beginning To And Back Again" album. "Eardrum Buzz" was featured in the ITV Chart Show Indie Top 10 for April 1989.

I want my money back! It's a crap album! (I'm joking. It's not terrible actually, it's just ok.)

It's full of different "live in the studio" versions of a lot of Mute-era Wire material - I personally like it as an album, but it was absolutely trashed on its release.  The vinyl version I've got even has a live version of Eardrum Buzz on it, when that was the main reason I got the LP at the time, so there was a disappointment there for me too...

Anyway, on the subject of why record companies are pulling videos off YouTube... I have utterly no idea.  There are some online packages which allow you to rip the audio out of the video and put it on your MP3 player, which I can understand would make them feel a little jittery (I must confess I've used such a thing myself for illegal purposes).  But if it's cut up, edited, and generally been messed around with on a Chart Show clip - that makes very little sense at all.  It's no threat whatsoever.  Perhaps I should email them and ask, although I'm not mad keen on drawing attention to the whole thing.

Paranormalhandy

I was searching for the video of "Waterfall" by Riverside on Youtube this morning, but I found this message when I clicked on the link (http://tiny.cc/hxUnD) I found a message saying "This video is not available in your country" - and yet it was clearly there using Google's cache.

Are some US music vids blocked within the UK, then?  Going by what I saw of the video description, it may have been uploaded officially by Sire.

Gazeuse

I believe that there's a simple reason for them wanting to keep your stuff uploaded...The PRS have recently done a deal with Youtube in the UK so copyright owners get a slice of license money paid to Youtube...Just like broadcast TV. So the more stuff they have uploaded, the more they get paid.

That's what I think anyway...Could be wrong...I've not looked into it a great deal, but the deal is definitely in place, 'cos I've ben paid out on it.

Go With The Flow

Quote from: Gazeuse on May 19, 2008, 12:10:59 PM
I believe that there's a simple reason for them wanting to keep your stuff uploaded...The PRS have recently done a deal with Youtube in the UK so copyright owners get a slice of license money paid to Youtube...Just like broadcast TV. So the more stuff they have uploaded, the more they get paid.

That's what I think anyway...Could be wrong...I've not looked into it a great deal, but the deal is definitely in place, 'cos I've ben paid out on it.

Would you be able to link me to this information, please? (PM me if necessary) - I know a few artists who might benefit from this!

Gazeuse