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"Chavs" ruined my morning.

Started by Borboski, April 22, 2004, 10:34:08 AM

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morgs

Exactly.  The last thing I will get intimidated by is a bunch of 14 year olds, or I will quit teaching!

I am more concerned about my drunken friends laying into them and my role as a teacher getting dragged into things if matters escalated.  Sometimes it is tricky being a teacher!

Marcus Or Relius

One of my friends got attacked last week down in Salford by a pack of teenagers.

He didn't describe them as Chavs ("Fucking bastard cunts" was the word he used from his hospital bed, quite a number of times) but they sounded like they were of such a species - shell-suits, inability to speak English, some armed with Stanley knives, another with a broken bottle, nine of them all laying into one bloke on his own minding his own business walking home from the take-away

Eeh, it's a lovely friendly place Manchester.

hands cold, liver warm

Quote from: "hands cold, liver warm"fortunately these berks have a tendancy to remove themselves from the gene pool

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the film footage of the burning is going to be shown on richard and judy in a minutes time

fanny splendid

I think this must be one of R&J's fetishes.

They've shown the clip three times so far, and the piece they're doing isn't on until 5.40.

chand

They're admitting it was actually inspired by a website, which was in turn inspired by Jackass.

I say ban the internet as well.

weirdbeard

Fucking. Hell.

What a fucking idiot.

I think Judy's impression of Marge Simpson is just as funny as that was.

weekender

Quote from: "fanny splendid"They've shown the clip three times so far, and the piece they're doing isn't on until 5.40.

Oh, that was fucking ace.  The kid is pouring petrol over the flames as his mate is jumping over them!  He actually pours petrol onto the kid's leg as he's leaping!  What sort of idiots are we dealing with here?

chand

Ah, this is great. Anne Diamond is on as an expert in her capacity as a human mother. She's never seen it, but she's about to sound off about it.

Oh fucking christ.

Marcus Or Relius

Richard Madely to Anne Diamond: "Should the internet be banned?"

Actually, why the fuck is Anne Diamond being interviewed? Oh wait, I just noticed, she's introduced as "Anne Diamond - mother of four sons." Right, so just cos she's whelped some sprogs she's therefore an authority on everything? Like pies. Fat cunt.

weekender

Is that footage available on the internet anywhere?  I could watch it over and over again, and I bet I'd laugh every time.

dan dirty ape

'Chavs' hanging around sitting on walls generally being thick and sneery is one thing. They may or may not grow out of it.  The type of  pricks that mugged me the other week and gave me permanent facial scarring with a Stanley knife are another.  I dread to think my views have shifted to the right due to this incident, but really, fuck 'em. The utter dickheads had my phone and rang loads of their mates' numbers before I cancelled it, which all showed up on my phone bill, which I'm handing in a copy of to the fuzz this weekend.  These three totally conformed visually and behavourially with the 'chav' stereotype in the moments before I was jumped, so if that's what defines a 'chav' let em all fucking rot.

weirdbeard

I find it amazing that Anne Diamond can come on and be all outaged about it, when seconds before, admitting that one of her kids stuck a screwdriver into a plug socket and badly burned his hands, and "is a real daredevil".

chand

I think Richard & Judy should be banned in case it encourages our impressionable young kids to be reactionary, idiotic talk show hosts ready to hold court on things they know fuck-all about.

Ah, this is great. The Simpsons makes Anne Diamond's kid climb the walls, apparently.

Hilariously, this show about the boundaries of TV and how we should be morally responsible for output is being followed by an episode of Friends that revolves around a gag about wanking over shark porn. Priceless!

Purple Tentacle

Quote from: "weirdbeard"I find it amazing that Anne Diamond can come on and be all outaged about it, when seconds before, admitting that one of her kids stuck a screwdriver into a plug socket "

Fucking hell, if I had to live with that near-tears pudge-face day in day out I might be reaching for 240 volts of blissful peace as well.

Chalk me up for maurauding death squads. The simple answer to this problem is to hand me a gun and let me loose on Epsom town centre. If it works well there, I could be shipped to various other town centres until the message is clear.

Ban JD Sports shops.


Interestingly, my home town (Epsom) has instigated a curfew of 9pm to those under 16. Anyone under 16 out after that time is taken home by the police and given a £500 fine, possibly £2500 for repeat offenders. Now, weirdly, I think that's going too far. You're punishing the decent people for what the arseholes do. Simply executing the arseholes is the answer.

I wonder how many people would vote for me if I ran for PM with that as one of my policies. It would make a change at least.

El Unicornio, mang

What we need is those two blokes dressed up as Batman and Robin, they'd sort them.

mr rou-rou

Quote from: "Borboski"
I don't know, can't we send them all to Madagascar or something?

the Madagascans unearth their dead ancestors on special occasions for a bit of a dance, tastefully wrapped in old rotting cloths/carpets.

Is this something you want to encourage? I can imagine a few on my estate parading their dead up and down the street on an old threadbare sofa or discoloured mattresses, or the classic funeral carriage - the trolley.

Sometimes when I'm driving to work in the mornings I'm one of the few cars leaving the estate, all the other cars are still on the driveways, anyhoo that could be for any number of reasons, yeah.. imagine a whole estate of people who didn't work and still owned cars paid for by benefit, ridiculous notion :/

so yeah.. the other night I was nipping up the road (about 30 meters to my mates house) and as I got to my hall I could hear the muffled sound of the sportsclad centurions yobbering their way up the street, their sweet abusive tones, the clink of booze, the hack huhght of spitting.

Looking out the window they were walking the width of the street, about 15 of them, hard looking fuckers between 13 and 18 and I thought I'd just hang on and wait for the locusts to pass... and they did.

and then I had to pick my way up the street avoiding their pikey mouth spawn that festooned the pavement.

gnome sane?

Dangermouse

Quote from: "Borboski"...a middle-class backlash against people are who poorly paid/socially excluded first, and how many of these are rude or aggressive its impossible to say. Plus there's rude and aggressive people throughout society.

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What a load of toss. It's opinions like that causing so many problems with mis-guided help. These people are housed, fed, don't have to work. And so they don't. I spent years without being able to spend £50 on clothes let alone a cap. I would be exceedingly grateful if someone would give me a flat for free and pay me to sit on my arse all day but I have aspirations.

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Sweary, monkey faced, shellsuit wearing, malnourished, agressive, mock rude boy oiks. Intimidating everyone on the bus. Fulfilling every one of those lazy prejudices chavscum propagate.

So what's the inevitable backlash? They do themselves no favours - turning people tory, meaning less benefits and social inclusion schemes - but then it's middle class society and the respectable working classes that have to put up with all the crime and anti-social behaviour.


The Tories don't like it because they pay so many taxes so these scum don't have to do anything. This is not what the social security should be used for.

These people are nothing but leeches. They give nothing to society. They break, smash and terrorise their own estates and others. They don't want to be part of society and never will.

They only care about themselves.

They have never been raised properly and their children will be the same or get more and more feral.

It's not down to a particular party causing the problem. This has been a long time coming. The wrong people are having children but not two or three where they can support or partially support them, they have as many as they want because the state / tax payer will pick up the bill.

If they don't want to contribute to society then they should leave. That means you earn your benefits, get a job, stop theiving or f*ck off.

El Unicornio, mang

Even if there is a reason behind these people acting like twats, it's irrelevant. Look at any rapist, child molestor, serial killer, global tyrant, whatever, and you'll see a background of abuse as a child, or something that affected them in their life. If you make people innocent based on this then everyone can be excused.

I'd be happy to see zero tolerance imposed in the UK. Commit any crime, whether it be littering, verbal abuse, violence, theft, anything, and you get charged. Do it three times and you get locked up, and not in some namby pamby youth prison with video games and pool, a proper prison which you would rather kill yourself than go back to. Just watch the crime level drop. watch all these little cunts who previously knew they could do whatever they want and just get a telling off suddenly start thinking twice.

Harsh, I know, but if you're not going to help out in society then you shouldn't be part of it.

fanny splendid

Dangermouse, what do you do?

Quote from: "The Unicorn"I'd be happy to see zero tolerance imposed in the UK. Commit any crime, whether it be littering, verbal abuse, violence, theft, anything, and you get charged. Do it three times and you get locked up, and not in some namby pamby youth prison with video games and pool, a proper prison which you would rather kill yourself than go back to. Just watch the crime level drop.

And this would work would it? The fear of prison would stop people committing crime? You tell me where this has worked?

El Unicornio, mang

New York. Once one of the most dangerous cities in the world, now it is one of the safest in the world, all because of zero tolerance.
The UK has almost twice as much violent crime as the US, you don't think this has anything to do with the fear of prison and the general lack of tolerance for any kind of lawbreakers over here?
I've been here six months and I've yet to see a "chav", or anything resembling one. Not to say it's better here, there's problems here which are worse than anywhere else, but young people fear the police here, in the Uk they don't, because the police there are about as scary as...something not very scary.

Borboski

Quote from: "Dangermouse"
Quote from: "Borboski"...a middle-class backlash against people are who poorly paid/socially excluded first, and how many of these are rude or aggressive its impossible to say. Plus there's rude and aggressive people throughout society.

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What a load of toss. It's opinions like that causing so many problems with mis-guided help. These people are housed, fed, don't have to work. And so they don't. I spent years without being able to spend £50 on clothes let alone a cap. I would be exceedingly grateful if someone would give me a flat for free and pay me to sit on my arse all day but I have aspirations.

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Sweary, monkey faced, shellsuit wearing, malnourished, agressive, mock rude boy oiks. Intimidating everyone on the bus. Fulfilling every one of those lazy prejudices chavscum propagate.

So what's the inevitable backlash? They do themselves no favours - turning people tory, meaning less benefits and social inclusion schemes - but then it's middle class society and the respectable working classes that have to put up with all the crime and anti-social behaviour.


The Tories don't like it because they pay so many taxes so these scum don't have to do anything. This is not what the social security should be used for.

These people are nothing but leeches. They give nothing to society. They break, smash and terrorise their own estates and others. They don't want to be part of society and never will.

They only care about themselves.

They have never been raised properly and their children will be the same or get more and more feral.

It's not down to a particular party causing the problem. This has been a long time coming. The wrong people are having children but not two or three where they can support or partially support them, they have as many as they want because the state / tax payer will pick up the bill.

If they don't want to contribute to society then they should leave. That means you earn your benefits, get a job, stop theiving or f*ck off.

When I made the thread I was really pissed off, but I was aware that if there's one thing verbwhores like to talk about, its the delinquencies of the lower classes.

But (and no offence dangermous), I didn't want to encourage this kind of reaction, but its essentially negative. I know it feels that way - "if you ain't going to opt in, FUCK OFF", but in reality its a lot more complex than that.

Now I know the points been made above that theres an element amongst the more well off that ape this culture (hencole's point i think) but thats entirely different to genuine ingrained social excluded communities that are getting worse and worse. We need a solution. There's who swathes of people in schools who simply have no chance. And I know there'll be people who think, "hang on, I was poor", but it's an entire sub-culture of defeatism.

On a small scale we shouldn't meet it with hatred. Christ I don't know what the answer is - but it's going to cost more money. The regeneration schemes the governments ploughed cash into are barely scratching the surface. In some places we literally need social workers imbedded into the community - taking kids to school. Fuck, sitting in living rooms with parents, so if they let little Timmy have a TV in his bedroom at 6, they get fined.

Like I said before - this is the development we have to bear for our permissive liberal society - which is a great society in the main - but we need solutions. On a side note - I won't think New Labour have succeeded unless they get this message across to those middle class people in the suburbs.

There's whole communities that are fucked rotten and the result is the chav.

Don't hate the chav though. He just wants to be loved and accepted deep down. You know - he's going to earn little money, he's going to have a sex-life full of skanky malnourished tarts, he's going to spend a lot of time in jail, and he's going to die relatively early of coronary heart disease - and he knows that too deep down.

Peace out.

gazzyk1ns

The whole thing seems to boil down to lots of people being idiots, with regards to life skills as well as IQ/general knowledge.

If a lot less parents weren't idiots then their children would grow up and not turn into the type of twat we're talking about.

terminallyrelaxed

I hate the little cunts so much that I am moving out a spacious flat in scum-infested Highbury into a tiny flat in Fulham, where, once I've bult the bed, there will be no floorspace. The price is exactly the same, but with roughly a third of the space, but I am so excited, so pleased that tonight is my last night in Pikeydom that I don't care. Tonight is my last night of listening to 8-year-olds throwing glass bottles at each other until 1am. I'm fucking ecstatic. You know its time to move when you start daydreaming of local kids being abducted just so it'll be marginally quieter. I obviously haven't got the temperament for estate-living, give me the pink-shirted chinless wonders and determinedly fashionable trustafarians of Fulham any day.

Dangermouse

Quote from: "fanny splendid"Dangermouse, what do you do?


I work damn hard is what I do. My job is to stop bad people from doing bad things. I work in the estates of London meeting all kinds of people from all walks of life. I have to endure violence, crime, hatred offensive weapons and firearms in my working day. I'm not a traffic warden though!



[/quote]Now I know the points been made above that theres an element amongst the more well off that ape this culture (hencole's point i think) but thats entirely different to genuine ingrained social excluded communities that are getting worse and worse. We need a solution. There's who swathes of people in schools who simply have no chance. And I know there'll be people who think, "hang on, I was poor", but it's an entire sub-culture of defeatism.
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Sorry but I started a bit strongly (Middle class backlash and all!). People seem to be under the impression that Chavs want to be a part of society but all the ones I know and meet hate this idea. They look out for themselves.

QuoteIn some places we literally need social workers imbedded into the community - taking kids to school

That's the problem. No responsibility. I know people who are teachers and they want / love to teach but now they are expected to be parent, but it's too late by then.

The benefit system is too soft. People like this are comfortable and absorb money off the needy. Without aspirations they are never going to try and make something of themselves.

As for a solution. It needs to come from the source before the rot sets in. But do you want to be the one to take someones kids away or put a social worker in their house because they can't cope. I'd like to see the reaction you'd get.

morgs

Quote from: "Dangermouse"People seem to be under the impression that Chavs want to be a part of society but all the ones I know and meet hate this idea. They look out for themselves.....

No responsibility. I know people who are teachers and they want / love to teach but now they are expected to be parent, but it's too late by then.

The benefit system is too soft. People like this are comfortable and absorb money off the needy. Without aspirations they are never going to try and make something of themselves.

As for a solution. It needs to come from the source before the rot sets in. But do you want to be the one to take someones kids away or put a social worker in their house because they can't cope. I'd like to see the reaction you'd get.

Exactly.  Hit the nail on the head.  But no sane politician would dare say so for fear of igniting a class war etc etc  I teach kids who have no aspirations beyond getting pregnant and getting a free council house and various benefits (and I know that it's not quite that easy, but for many it's a whole lot easier than doing any work.)

hencole

I think some people are getting a bit carried away here. Most of these younger kids will grow out of it. There not going to act like that for ever. Age brings responsibility whether they like it or not. Sure some won't. They are also no less educated than previous generations of kids, and I would go as far as saying more educated. I agree that chav like behaviour seems to be on the increase, but it is a result of things outside these 'problem'  teenagers and young adults control.

terminallyrelaxed

Have to agree with henners, much as I rail against these little oiks, if they all  grew up to be total nightmares there'd be total anarchy here and now. I remember thinking of certain other kids when I was young that they were going to always be in trouble or meet a sticky end such was their total disregard for everyone else....and as far as I hear many of them have turned out normal enough.

Santa's Boyfriend

Quote from: "hencole"I think some people are getting a bit carried away here. Most of these younger kids will grow out of it. There not going to act like that for ever.

You obviously haven't been to Southend on Sea.

zozman

Sod that - people should have to apply to have children and if they don't have the necessary parenting skills, lack of sovereign rings or the income to properly support them they shouldn't be allowed.  Bring it on - forced sterilisation at puberty, with reversal when the license is granted.

Come on!