Apple Ipad (Heavy Flow)

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iPad has started to develop what can only be described as senility. Android is so much more responsive and flexible and 'fun',

Is Android more responsive than up to date iPads?  The senility problem is presumably a byproduct of age rather than the company?  Or is it?

[Jim Jarmusch]

The 7" form factor tablets are the new netbooks, they're affordable but good for nothing. They won't be around for long after the iPad Mini is announced. That's got to be one of the most short lived products ever.

In related news Microsoft Surface will be dead on arrival. I can't wait to read about how many people have preordered one them on here. I bet it's a real joy developing for Metro.

[wasp_f15ting]

I am not sure if you are joking or not.. or trolling.

Please please do advise why the Microsoft surface will be doa?

[wasp_f15ting]

With regards to your comment on the nexus 7 being the same as netbooks, I can see you haven't read or looked into any of the reviews or benchmarks. So stop right there.

[biggytitbo]

Is Android more responsive than up to date iPads?  The senility problem is presumably a byproduct of age rather than the company?  Or is it?

I've got a first gen ipad and its really really struggling these days. Everything seems so slow on it and web browsing in particular has become a real chore. In comparison a Samsung galaxy 2 test phone I had was a joy to use, far snappier. Having a proper fully featured version of chrome on the nexus 7 is a deal breaker for me. I'll be able to switch tabs mid post without losing everything i've just written.

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I'll be able to switch tabs mid post without losing everything i've just written.

Can do this with the current iPad as well.  The first generation versions of most things can be pretty rubbish.

Out of interest what's the battery of your iPad like now?  Zero battery life is the thing I'm imagining will make me abandon my tablet when the time comes.

[biggytitbo]

Ipads are still stuck, forever it seems, with the crappy safari  - the village idiot of modern browsers. Chrome is an infinitely better experience.


Battery life is about half of what it was after 2 years, although that also means it charges up a lot quicker.

[Famous Mortimer]

As a Windows Phone user, I think as long as they get more developers writing stuff for them, or if Microsoft just employs a bunch of people, then the Surface should do okay.

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I just hope that people using Windows tablets get called show-offs as often as those who happen to be using Apple ones.  It's only fair.

[waste of chops]

Ipads are still stuck, forever it seems, with the crappy safari  - the village idiot of modern browsers. Chrome is an infinitely better experience.

Ahem.



_{(The speech recognition does need work to be fair.)}

[biggytitbo]

Ahem.



_{(The speech recognition does need work to be fair.)}

Thats safari though isnt it? Actually worse than safari in performance too.

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What's so bad about Safari?  It forces itself closed every now and then (but remembers the pages you were reading when you go back in).  I can't see much else wrong with it.

[jutl]

Thats safari though isnt it? Actually worse than safari in performance too.

It is Safari, but then aside from the Javascript engine Chrome and Safari are both WebKit, and so will do many tasks identically.

[mobias]

I use both Crome and safari and can't find much difference between them when it comes to performance. Most of my porn bookmarks are kept in safari so I guess I use it the most.

[biggytitbo]

It is Safari, but then aside from the Javascript engine Chrome and Safari are both WebKit, and so will do many tasks identically.

Webkits the rendering engine, but its not exactly the same between the two. Safari doesnt auto-update every month or so either so its always more out of date than Chrome. They use different javascript engines too, googles V8 is usually faster than Safaris. Chromes just a nicer browser all round really, on top of its performance advantage. Syncing tabs and settings between machines is great too.

[Sayan Jerome]

I only realised a couple of days ago that Chrome on my phone has all my desktop Chrome history and form information. Very handy for checking some review I'd seen at home when I was out buying a midi cable, couldn't remember the product name. It's also fast as fuck and as reliable as a good pair of trousers. I will never use anything else (for the foreseeable future).

[jutl]

Webkits the rendering engine, but its not exactly the same between the two. Safari doesnt auto-update every month or so either so its always more out of date than Chrome.

It's a close thing, and not likely to make the major stability differences you imply. While Chrome for Android uses a more up to date version of WebKit than Mobile Safari at the moment, the standard Android Browser uses an even older version. On the desktop they leapfrog each other; right now there's a new Chrome version out and a new Safari version imminent.

They use different javascript engines too, googles V8 is usually faster than Safaris.

...as I said. My experience of v8 on Linux is that it is constantly crashing, so it's not all marvellous chez Google.

edit to add: and of course it's dangerous to rely on the performance of a specific javascript engine, unless you're someone like Google who wants to use substantial web apps to leverage Chrome uptake.

[Aki Kaurismäki]

Not long till the Mini is announced. September 12th media event. The Nexus 7 has sold 3.6 million units in total while Apple will be producing an estimated four million Mini per month and you know they'll fly off the shelves. Google's sales are going to plummet after the public get their eyes on on it.

[Subtle Mocking]

Google's sales are going to plummet after the public get their eyes on on it.

No, they're not.

[Aki Kaurismäki]

I'm in touch with the real life consumer.

[Subtle Mocking]

No you're not.

[Jamie Oliver is fat]

People still buy these crippled pieces of shit?

[Subtle Mocking]

People still buy these crippled pieces of shit?

From what I've seen, the elderly seem to be the most interested by iPads. Despite not having a fucking clue what to do with them, and not knowing what they need them for.

[biggytitbo]

Nexus is £160, how much will the mini be?

[Subtle Mocking]

Nexus is £160, how much will the mini be?

I can't see them being THAT competitive, although it might depend on what sort of display they use, storage etc. I'd probably guess around £299.

[Aki Kaurismäki]

The iPod Touch is £169.00. iPad 2 - £329.00. iPad 3 - £399.

£229 seems about right. It's almost 40% larger than typical 7" tablets don't forget.

Side by side the Mini will be better value.

[Ignatius_S]

...Not long till the Mini is announced. September 12th media event. The Nexus 7 has sold 3.6 million units in total while Apple will be producing an estimated four million Mini per month and you know they'll fly off the shelves. Google's sales are going to plummet after the public get their eyes on on it.

The believed sales figures for the Nexus 7 are generally reckoned to be rather good. It's anticipated that 8 million will be sold by the end of the year – these are analyst figures so can't be taken as fact, but I wouldn't be surprised and it ain't bad.

The "estimated four million Mini per month" is down to a Digitimes article – I'm pretty sure that I've commented about it as a source before, but in brief, it get a lot of things wrong. It's possible but all the claims about this kind of production are being made, IIRC, on one single news story that hasn't been verified.

As for it destroying Google's sales, for people who want an Android 7" tablet, or a non-Apple one, it's not going to make one jot of difference. It will have an impact on punters who will are more likely to go with Apple because that's the brand they know.

Personally, I would like there to be strong competing choices for punters.

People still buy these crippled pieces of shit?

I suspect that you're being mischievous because of the amount articles about how strong tablet sales are and are likely to continue, but yes, people are still buying them.

This is something I posted in the Nexus 7 thread (which reminds me, I need to respond to a post by JB):

...In my own case, I have a desktop, laptop and tablet - I use the latter for mainly for email, Web browsing, games, writing, editing and distributing photos, and music production. These days, my laptop doesn't get a look-in – the tablet is more portable, has better battery life and gives me a user experience that I don't get with the desktop or laptop, particularly with music and photos. The touchscreen interface gives a completely different experience and I've created stuff that I wouldn't have created otherwise (not saying that's a good thing....).

I do my main photo editing on my desktop with Nik Software plug-ins, and on my my iPad, I use Snapseed (also  by Nik and which has since been brought out for PCs and will be on Android in the future) – if I used my laptop, I would be using Nik Software plug-ins, so basically it's an experience similar to the desktop machine albeit inferior; the iPad one isn't better than the desktop, but good in a different way. Also, I've been thinking I need to do something with my Flickr account (which I hardly do anything with) and through the tablet, I'm starting to become more engaged with it.

When the laptop gives up the ghost, I can't really justify getting a new one except on the grounds that I want one. However, being absolutely honest, I find it difficult to get my head around this fact – or rather my heart, as part of me still feels that a laptop surely is inherently superior.

For me, the tablet isn't crippled in anyway whatsoever – and that's the key thing, that it's a great choice for me. Would I recommend one to someone? That depends – whenever someone ask me for purchasing advise, I look at their needs and wants, rather than my own.

I can't see them being THAT competitive, although it might depend on what sort of display they use, storage etc. I'd probably guess around £299.

Given that the current entry level for the iPad is £329, I feel that's an excellent chance that will be cheaper that £299.

Also, I feel we need to look back when the original  iPad pricing as it was widely predicted that it would cost double what it did and this caught competitors off guard.  I suspect I've mentioned all this before, but the fact that decent non-Apple tablets in the same ball park as the iPad are roughly the same price, indicates that iPad pricing is pretty competitive (many analysts seem to think so) as Apple isn't being undercut substantially (and in some cases, alternatives are more expensive).

Tim Cook said yonks ago that he intended to keep the iPad price competitive – with the iPad 2, the price came down and with the last iPad, the £329 price point for the 16GB model of the iPad 2 was introduced.

All in all, I really can't see that a smaller iPad would cost £299. But then again, what do I know? That's just my guess!

[Ignatius_S]

Nexus is £160, how much will the mini be?

Apple hasn't announced the pricing - or even if there will be such a product. No one knows.

[biggytitbo]

I'd buy an 8inch ipad if it was retina and had 1gb memory and was less than £250.


That would be enough to make me put up with Safari and Apple's general git-ness.

[jutl]

The "estimated four million Mini per month" is down to a Digitimes article – I'm pretty sure that I've commented about it as a source before, but in brief, it get a lot of things wrong. It's possible but all the claims about this kind of production are being made, IIRC, on one single news story that hasn't been verified.

I don't think it's impossible, given that iPad 2 + New iPad shift over 5 million units a month at the moment. Any new, cheaper iPad is likely to eat into those sales strongly while bringing in new consumers for whom the old iPads were too expensive.