Get ready for Christmas :-D
Started by Doomy Dwyer, July 12, 2010, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: HappyTree on July 16, 2010, 01:45:25 PMWell to my ears that "Laura" song sounds like a monkey wiping its arse with a banjo. Perhaps it is quite challenging to make a guitar produce so many dissonant notes at the same time but I don't see why you'd want to.
Quote from: NoSleep on July 16, 2010, 01:33:58 PMBut you just plainly said "that's not a performance", which it patently is, and "Bailey's not expressing anything there", which is meaningless as a statement, particularly if what you meant was, "I don't get it".
Quote from: NoSleep on July 16, 2010, 02:17:56 PM As Sun Ra put it; the unknown is where we should be headed, because that's where all potential lies, and there are still things we need that we have yet to learn. The search for new ways to express oneself and development of new art forms is a creative reflection of that journey toward the unknown.
QuoteThat hurt in your ears is the birth pangs of the unknown.
Quote from: Treguard of Dunshelm on July 16, 2010, 02:29:57 PMIt's not a performance, any more than the editing I did in Reaper last night was. It's not challenging, it requires no effort to understand, in fact it's lazy, because it can't possibly hurt you. He's not expressing anything, because there is no content.
QuotePerhaps it would help if you explained what you think he was expressing?
Quote"A minute correction of the essential is more important than a hundred new accessories" - Raoul Vaneigem.
Quote from: NoSleep on July 16, 2010, 03:10:14 PM"Don't start from the good old things, but from the bad new ones" - Bertolt Brecht (Waits does a bit of Brecht, doesn't he?)
Quote from: NoSleep on July 16, 2010, 09:15:53 AMHere's a slice of entry-level Derek Bailey. The opening track, Laura, from the Ballads album. Perhaps, in seeing how he deconstructs a composition so deftly, it makes it easier to see what he's looking for in his improvisations. Of course it isn't just scratching; in fact Derek manages to utilise the full range of sound possibilities from a guitar; in that respect, perhaps, the most articulate guitarist there's been.
Quote from: Why I Hate Tables on July 16, 2010, 06:40:55 PMI can't really see how it'd be too hard for a Waits fan to get into Derek Bailey's stuff. I did some further listening last night, and at times I was reminded of Marc Ribot's guitar playing. As some cursory Google research shows that he cites him as an influence and wrote the liner notes for a Derek Bailey release, it makes sense. The spluttering guitar solo that sounds a bit like a mattress exploding violently on Clap Hands off Rain Dogs in particular.
Quote from: thugler on July 16, 2010, 06:57:37 PMIn the video I can see and hear that he is a fantastic musician and has great technique, but he's playing something that sounds a bit meek and half arsed. The atmosphere is really cosy, and for all the talk about him not being influenced by his audience It certainly sounds like he is.
Quote from: thugler on July 17, 2010, 01:56:55 AMBig fan of Fahey, love his later stuff, I didn't realise it counted as free improvisation stuff.
Quote from: Treguard of Dunshelm on July 14, 2010, 01:28:14 PMSlightly behind that is The Black Rider, which never seems to get mentioned ever. I think it's magnificent, and would have loved to have seen the stage production. Blue Valentines is my favourite "pre-weird" album of his, the title track in particular.Has anyone ever seen him live? I'm extremely jealous of you if you have. Also, are there any female Waits fans out there as I've never met one?
Quote from: NoSleep on July 15, 2010, 01:06:27 PMBeefheart isn't jazz; he started out as a blues vocalist/harmonica player (Muddy Waters considered him a peer) and took it from there.
Quote from: Brundle-Fly on June 07, 2021, 08:20:05 PMAn eleven-year bump? Tom Waits for no man, eh?
Quote from: kalowski on June 07, 2021, 08:27:58 PMBlame whoever linked back to it.
Quote from: Brundle-Fly on June 07, 2021, 08:35:10 PMI'll raise ya! I saw Tom in 1987 at the Hammersmith Odeon on his Frank's Wild Years tour. I had a spare ticket because my then gf had dumped me a week before. Got drunk and cried a lot that night.
Quote from: thugler on June 08, 2021, 08:04:03 PMHaha, the 11 year bump caused me to read some old posts of mine, I think my views have softened quite a bit on Bailey and Beefheart since then, particularly Beefheart gets a bit of a kicking. I enjoy much of what I described as his later 'tedious blues' stuff now.
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