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Films tarnished by their director's self indulgence.

Started by EddyWhore, October 31, 2010, 08:48:18 PM

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Egyptian Feast

The problem with a thread such as this is it really makes one struggle to think which Oliver Stone film not to pick.

EddyWhore

Tough one. Alexander takes the cake for me. there wasn't enough crack in the world to make that film good.

momatt

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Quote from: Barberism on November 02, 2010, 01:40:39 AM
Michael Bay. The Transformers movies are 2 hours of Michael Bay shoving his balls in your face. I think you can trace everything bad about those movies directly to him.
Also the guy is a shit action director. You know the first thing you need to be able to do in an action movie is actually see what is going on.

Agreed.  I hate this man so much.  A film about massive robots beating each other up; how can it go wrong?  There are already an established array of great characters and plotlines to play with and an infinite budget.  And he fucks it up.
HOW?!  Because ever increasingly big explosions are not a substitute for tension, excitment, plots and good acting.  What a fucking twat.  How is this man allowed to keep making movies?[nb]Thanks Team America[/nb]

AsparagusTrevor

I don't understand why, when there's so many bloody characters that already exist in the already well established Transformers universe, he invents new ones and completely changes old ones? Great way to alienate existing fans.

Barberism

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Quote from: AsparagusTrevor on November 08, 2010, 12:18:16 PM
I don't understand why, when there's so many bloody characters that already exist in the already well established Transformers universe, he invents new ones and completely changes old ones? Great way to alienate existing fans.

You have to question the vision of a man who doesn't think that ROBOT DINOSAURS!!!!!!!!!! are a good idea for a children's movie but DOGS FUCKING... TWICE and racist robots are.

It was the tone of those movies that annoyed me. I kind of liked the first act of the first Transformers. It seemed to have a Spielberg vibe to it. I saw the merits of that vision. It seemed like Bay was just a tool for Spielberg's vision. Almost a modern version of ET with an interstellar war as a backdrop. Then Bay took over and it became masturbation jokes and gun porn. Those movies weren't for kids.

I wanted a movie that was like the UK comics but I knew it wasn't going to happen. I love the animated movie which I see as the animated version of Flash Gordon or Highlander. A really dumb fun movie that has obviously had some heart put into it.

But nobody on these movies gave a shit. On the original cartoon there was an episode that was never shown because of it's blatant anti-war message. Casey Kassem left the show after an episode that had a racist stereotype of Arabs. Yet nobody involved in the new movies raised any objections to the racist robots or the crude jokes or the sexism or the gun porn. How can you spend 200 million on a movie and not even rise to the level of a saturday morning cartoon?

The Transformers movies are clearly self indulgent. He went on record as saying he hated Transformers and wanted nothing to do with it. They wooed him and offered him a shit ton of money. So he just made a 120 (Sorry 150- 2 and a half hours!) minute advert for the US military and General Motors. Revenge of the Fallen is Michael Bay unrestrained. I think Mark Kermode summed it up better than Movie Bob (which is still an excellent review):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_D2XKRbYmM

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/797-Transformers-Revenge



momatt

Very well put Barberism and Trevor.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.

I forgot about the bloody racist robots.  They were the Jar Jar Binks of that film.  With the amount of people involved in the movie, I find it hard to beleive that nobody had the balls to take Mr. Bay to one side and tell him they were a bit much.  Though it's probably Chris Tucker's fault as much as anyone else's.
Massive robo-testicles and stoned parents?  I have a tendancy to take Transformers a little too seriously, but these scenes made me quite depressed.  Out of all the directors in the whole world, why was the the very worst one picked to ruin the coolest thing from my childhood?  Not even going to watch part 3, I can't handle the stress.
He made Pearl Harbour, for fuck's sake.  :(

One good thing about that film - PETER CULLEN!