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Breaking Bad- Season 4

Started by actwithoutwords, July 12, 2011, 05:16:04 PM

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Johnny Townmouse

I have to say that I have serious issues with Hector going to the DEA as a set-up to get Gus to go and kill him. Gus is so incredibly careful that I think Hector being anywhere near the DEA would mean he would stay away from him completely. I know he wanted to kill him personally, but it's obvious he would have got a goon to do it. The police and DEA would have been all over Hector in the hope that Gus crawled out of the woodwork.

My main problem with it is the fact that it was completely avoidable. They could have found a completely different, and more credible, reason for Gus to accelerate the killing of Hector. And to do it in person.

amputeeporn

From a structural point of view for the episode it made sense though, ratchetted up the tension as - at first - I assumed Hector was finally going to roll over on Walt and Gus to the DEA.

Johnny Townmouse

That part of it was fine, but it was a convulated plan by Walt right from the off. Get Hector to go to the DEA to accelerate the likelihood of Gus killing him in person, and in the process planting a bomb in Hector's wheelchair. There were far too many variants, and the risk of it sending Gus into hiding was far too huge. I think they should have simply created a scenario that would rush Gus' desire to kill Hector in person that did not involve the massive heat that the DEA would bring.

It was the only truly unsatisfying part of the whole climax.

And in response to a point made above, I thought there was DEFINITELY a sense from Jesse that Walt had something to do with the poisoning. In fact, he would need to be a huge moron not to suspect him - and Jesse is not a huge moron.

kitsofan34

Having just watched the first ever episode of Breaking Bad again today, I thought it was interesting to note that towards the end Walt tries to commit suicide. Might this give an inclination towards how he might react towards the climax of series 5?

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

Someone has done a mashup of BB with The Simpsons. Funny and at points really quite wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Qv2hCprbs

Phil_A

#455
Quote from: kitsofan34 on October 17, 2011, 12:54:12 PM
Having just watched the first ever episode of Breaking Bad again today, I thought it was interesting to note that towards the end Walt tries to commit suicide. Might this give an inclination towards how he might react towards the climax of series 5?

But that was the "old" Walt, before he became corrupted by the scale of his own ambitions. Considering the lengths he's gone to for the sake of his own survival, I doubt he'd consider suicide to be a viable option now.

phes

I'd be more than happy if Walt reuturned to work and season 5 was just Bryan Cranston giving 12 high school chemistry classes.

phes

Incidentally... did anyone spot Heisenberg on the telly screen in the background of the Brian Cox piece of crap 'Night with the Stars' or whatever.




I hadn't realised he actually wore that hat

Artemis

Quote from: phes on December 20, 2011, 10:15:20 AM
I'd be more than happy if Walt reuturned to work and season 5 was just Bryan Cranston giving 12 high school chemistry classes.

Hmm, that's a thought. Is there any reason why he can't return to teaching now? There does seem a need to give Walt a parallel life to contrast with his criminal one. It started with teaching, then his marriage, then his own conscience, so bringing it back to teaching could possibly work. Watching the inevitable Walt/Hank scenario play out with Cartel involvement in front of a classroom full of students would be worth watching!

Ja'moke

I've watched all four seasons over the past four weeks and watched the Season 4 finale last night. Absolutely breathtaking television, I can't remember a show that has made me that tense, from the Season 2 opener with Walt and Jesse at Tuco's shack, to Hank's fight to the death with the twins in "One Minute", to the end of the Season 3 finale "Full Measure" - pure, edge of the seat, heart in your throat stuff! But it's also really funny, it manages to mix humour with the tension effortlessly, really impressive stuff!

I can't believe I have to wait 7 odd months for Season 5 now!

amputeeporn

Not sure if there was ever a thread on here for The Killing (original Danish version) but urge anyone missing BB's brand of sick-makingly tense telly to seek it out, and read as few spoilers as possible. First season's 20 episodes, each an hour long and it absoloutley flies by. Have heard rumours that, unlike BB, the following season isn't quite as good - but that firstun is essential. Wish I'd had it when BB S4 ended.

Ja'moke

I may just look in to that! I've started downloading Homeland Season 1 which is meant to be really good compelling stuff too!

Harpo Speaks

There was a thread, but yes, I second the recommendation.

Marv Orange

Quote from: Ja'moke on January 23, 2012, 11:42:19 PM
I may just look in to that! I've started downloading Homeland Season 1 which is meant to be really good compelling stuff too!

Worth a watch not much to discuss about it though. Some long awaited boobage is within that show though.

Hank Venture

#464
Just finished watching seasons 2-4 in two weeks or something. Holy shit, what a show. I can pinpoint exactly when it went from "Best current show" to "Top 3 of all time" for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Rwsjzu178&feature=player_embedded

There, that's one of the coolest intros my sorry eyeballs have ever witnessed. Season 5 cannot come soon enough.

Is Mike going to be on Walt's team or against him? Walt did put him out of work after all. How is Walt going to go forth without Gus' lab and network? Will there be reactions from the Chileans or whatever backing Gus had? Where is the ricin cigarette, is Jesse going to figure it all out?

Something I remember reading that VG said, DON'T HOVER OVER UNLESS YOU WANT SPOILERS FOR SEASON 5:
Spoiler alert
VG said that Walt isn't going to survive the series, and that season 5 is the last one. So, who's going to end him? Hank possibly, or Mike, or Jesse, or maybe even Jr or Skylar. Cancer? Or an outside force ... This is also foreshadowed in the lyrics from the Mariachi-song sometime in season 3. Questions!
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Edit: Walt took the ricin cig, obv d'oh. However, it annoys me a bit that Saul supposedly was a part of the poisoning scheme. It seems out of character for him. He doesn't have the same stakes in whether Gus lives or dies that Walt has, not directly anyway. And sure he's a sleazebag, but to poison a child?

dr_christian_troy

Quote from: Hank Venture on January 25, 2012, 07:40:58 AM
Something I remember reading that VG said, DON'T HOVER OVER UNLESS YOU WANT SPOILERS FOR SEASON 5:
Spoiler alert
VG said that Walt isn't going to survive the series
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Do you have a link for when he's said that? As a persistent follower of any Breaking Bad-related articles, I've never seen one where VG has explicitly stated that. He may have said
Spoiler alert
it's possible his cancer may return
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, or
Spoiler alert
that he is in the final phase of his 'from Mr Chips to Scarface' evolution
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, but the fact they haven't even started to produce the final season yet, it seems unlikely and non-productive that its creator would turn around and say
Spoiler alert
'He dies at the end.'
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- VG has been purposefully non-explicit with his comments generally. I can't imagine him giving any specific end-game away at this juncture, as it would serve no purpose other than flatten expectations.

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

Season 5 cannot come too soon enough indeed. In the meantime though, the third season of Justified has begun. It gave BB a run for its money last year.

phes

Every time I see this thread bumped my heart misses a beat (ahh-ha-ha , every time).

I watched the Justified pilot yesterday and was itching to turn it off by about fifteen minutes from the end. Just seemed like, well, people shooting each other, then a bit of talking to each other, then a bit more shooting. Like Sons' of Anarchy but slightly less dumb. Maybe I ought to give the second episode a whirl.

Hank Venture

Quote from: dr_christian_troy on January 25, 2012, 11:45:15 AM
Do you have a link for when he's said that? As a persistent follower of any Breaking Bad-related articles, I've never seen one where VG has explicitly stated that. He may have said
Spoiler alert
it's possible his cancer may return
[close]
, or
Spoiler alert
that he is in the final phase of his 'from Mr Chips to Scarface' evolution
[close]
, but the fact they haven't even started to produce the final season yet, it seems unlikely and non-productive that its creator would turn around and say
Spoiler alert
'He dies at the end.'
[close]
- VG has been purposefully non-explicit with his comments generally. I can't imagine him giving any specific end-game away at this juncture, as it would serve no purpose other than flatten expectations.

Spoiler alert
I remember it wrong. This is what I was thinking of: "In two separate interviews, over a year apart, Cranston discusses what he believes to be the only possible conclusion to the series: "Walter White will die." How will he die? Well that's more complicated – though Cranston does hint at what may be the driving force behind Walter's death wish."
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Marv Orange

Quote from: phes on January 25, 2012, 12:39:50 PM
Every time I see this thread bumped my heart misses a beat (ahh-ha-ha , every time).

I watched the Justified pilot yesterday and was itching to turn it off by about fifteen minutes from the end. Just seemed like, well, people shooting each other, then a bit of talking to each other, then a bit more shooting. Like Sons' of Anarchy but slightly less dumb. Maybe I ought to give the second episode a whirl.

Its trends water until towards the end of the 1st season it starts to come together. Admittedly its still not strong but its watchable in a southern Midsommer Murders kind of way.

Mister Six

I think your enjoyment of the first season of Justified will be directly proportional to your enjoyment of Elmore Leonard books, as it's pretty much exactly a bunch of those glued together, complete with the self-consciously quirky characters and backstabbing criminals. But it coalesces beautifully towards the end as the supporting cast's stories weave together and it builds towards a whopping big shoot-out.

The second season, which is far more arc-based and has an absolutely superb turn by Margo Martendale as a the 'big bad', a sociopathic criminal matriarch, is superb and light years ahead of the first.

Old Nehamkin


Ja'moke

Just came to post that. Very very good. The last bit made me do an actual laugh out loud.

Old Nehamkin

So, I'm not sure exactly how much to trust this, but this brief interview with Anna Gunn seems to confirm the season will be split in half:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2012/01/anna-gunn-ready-to-start-production-on-breaking-bad-season-5.html

QuoteGunn said production for the fifth season of "Breaking Bad" will start this month, with eight episodes slated to shoot. The highly anticipated final season will be broken  into two shortened mini-seasons. The last batch of episodes will probably shoot in winter 2013, she said.

(I also assume they mean to say production of the second half will be in winter 2012, not 2013 which would be mental).

Ja'moke

That would be mental if we had to wait til 2014 for the final batch of episodes!

The last I read was from Aaron Paul saying that production would start in March, and the episodes would start airing in July, but no word on whether it would be an 8 episode season or not.

Old Nehamkin

New article here which confirms the 5th season will be split in two with some vague, non-spoilerish teasing:

(Spoilers for those who've not finished season 4, obviously).

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Breaking-Bad-Stars-1043760.aspx

QuoteNow they're cooking! The cast of AMC's Breaking Bad gathered at the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences on February 23 for a panel celebrating the show's legacy and previewing the upcoming fifth and final season.

"It's bittersweet," Aaron Paul (Jesse) tells TV Guide Magazine. "I'm very happy that we know an end date and we're going to be able to tell our story rather than have it cut short. We're not going to stretch the storylines out, so it's going to stay pure, honest and genuine to the story that we've been telling."

In last season's shocking finale, partners Jesse and Walt (Bryan Cranston) were seen parting ways after Walt successfully killed nemesis Gustavo Fring (Giancarlo Esposito), but that does not necessarily mean their business together is complete.

"One of the very central relationships of the show is the relationship between teacher and pupil, between Walt and Jesse," says series creator Vince Gilligan. "I personally missed them having all the interactions they had in previous seasons last season when they were kept quite a bit apart by Gustavo Fring. So maybe you'll see them a bit more together this season."

As for the rest of the cast, they are all in the dark about what to expect in the final 16 episodes. "I have no idea what's going to happen," says Anna Gunn (Skyler). "Getting a new script is like Christmas morning." However, Betsy Brandt (Marie) did confirm that the network is "breaking it up into two short seasons."

One actor who hopes to be back is Esposito, whose chilling portrayal of drug kingpin Gus Fring haunted the characters and viewers alike. Even with his death, Esposito says there's "a distinct possibility" he could return. "I would love to explore how Gustavo got to where he is in the end, but more particularly his influence on Walter White, how that could be lasting and how that could be indelible in his passing," says Esposito. "I think that would be fascinating."

With many more major questions to tackle in the final season (Will Jesse discover Walt poisoned Brock? Will Hank ever uncover Walt's secret?), Gilligan insists the commitment from the cast and crew is as strong as ever. "I hope we're going to end this thing in as satisfying a manner as possible and stay as true as we can to the extent of the show from day one," says Gilligan. "And we've just got some crazy s--t coming up!"

Artemis

Did Esposito just give away a major plot point, there? ^^

Old Nehamkin

I reckon he's just speculating, really. The article says that none of the cast have seen the scripts yet and Vince Gilligan's said previously that the writers didn't have the plot of the final episodes planned in advance of writing them. Plus, with the episodes now to be split into two it's unlikely the final 8 episodes are even written yet, so I'd doubt the ending is completely locked down at this point.

in Breaking Bad related news, this promo for a new sitcom starring Krysten Ritter (who played Jane) aired the other night. The show itself doesn't look like anything special but a certain cameo at the very end makes it worthwhile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JErmA4pBXBs

Toast

Never expected this so soon, whoop!

kitsofan34

Pretty cool poster.

Complete speculation but is there any  chance the series doesn't end with Walt snuffing it?