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Bond 23

Started by CaledonianGonzo, November 02, 2011, 10:58:06 AM

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CaledonianGonzo

The press conference to officially launch/announce this is happening tomorrow lunchtime.

It seems like it's called Skyfall and as well as the usual faces there's also going to be room for Ralph Fiennes, Javier Bardem and Albert Finney, so if nothing else Sam Mendes has upped the ante casting-wise.

James Bond may be a cunt, but I will still probably watch this movie.

Jemble Fred

It would be great to have a Daniel Craig Bond movie which you can remember anything about. I've seen both of his existing ones, Casino Royale twice, but the post-Brosnan franchise is so bland they're pretty much a total blank.

CaledonianGonzo

Well - I suspect you might be disappointed, as with that cast and Mendes' stated intention that he wants to win an Oscar for it, it's looking far more likely to be relatively understated in the vein of Casino Royale, as opposed to surfing on CGI tidal waves, etc.

The Roofdog

Quote from: Jemble Fred on November 02, 2011, 11:09:09 AM
It would be great to have a Daniel Craig Bond movie which you can remember anything about. I've seen both of his existing ones, Casino Royale twice, but the post-Brosnan franchise is so bland they're pretty much a total blank.

Oh come on, Quantum Of Solace was forgettable yes, but Casino Royale was one of the most distinctive Bond films for years, since Goldeneye at least. You really don't remember him getting smacked in the bollocks with a big rope?

Jemble Fred

Quote from: The Roofdog on November 02, 2011, 11:24:29 AM
You really don't remember him getting smacked in the bollocks with a big rope?

Haha, I nearly added that as an exception in a footnote. Yes, obviously Casino Royale is at least coming from proper Fleming and everything, but Christ, it's just so po-faced, and yes QoS is a hundred times worse. It's like Craig has 'Don't expect anything approaching fun' tattooed across his face. Outside of the novels, Bond is only any good when it's fun.

Noodle Lizard

As a (former) massive James Bond fan, I honestly can't get at all excited over these recent ones.  Daniel Craig really doesn't work as Bond for me, and they appear to be jumping on the "nu-spy" bandwagon and emulating films like The Bourne Identity or one of those ones what Liam Neeson always seems to be in, for some reason.

Casino Royale was massively overrated, in my opinion, and Quantum Of Solace didn't get as much hate as it deserved.  The last couple of Pierce Brosnan ones were dire, too, but at least Brosnan was a good Bond overall.

(pretty unrelated:  "The name's James Bond, JAMES Bond" ... I sort of know what you're parodying (of a parody), but what is it?  It's going to drive me mad)

The Roofdog

Quote from: Jemble Fred on November 02, 2011, 11:26:22 AM
Haha, I nearly added that as an exception in a footnote. Yes, obviously Casino Royale is at least coming from proper Fleming and everything, but Christ, it's just so po-faced, and yes QoS is a hundred times worse. It's like Craig has 'Don't expect anything approaching fun' tattooed across his face. Outside of the novels, Bond is only any good when it's fun.

Yes, can't argue with the accusation that it's all a bit po-faced.


Sometimes I wish Roger Moore would come back
With an underwater car or some kind of jetpack
Or a hover-gondola and a Union Jack

Forget it mate, it's not the 80s
He'd rather kick you in the face
We've got a new Bond for the noughties
Because the world's a TERRIBLE place

Jemble Fred

I'm not saying we want Cleese back mugging in a white coat, but the franchise definitely needs a lot more light to go with the shade. I had hoped that Mendes could be the one to provide that.

Neomod

I didn't mind Casino Royale but Quantum of Solace was totally forgettable (up there with For your Eyes Only). I think because the franchise had been usurped somewhat by the Bourne films they went all out for Gritty™ which meant that there was no room for some of the previous Bond staples. The last great Bond villain lair in recent years wasn't even in a Bond film, it was in The Incredibles, great Ken Adam a-like stuff.

Still, the best Bond film bar OHMSS is The Price to Pay.

http://new-amusements.blogspot.com/2011/10/price-to-pay.html

CaledonianGonzo

Ah, see while I understand a lot of the problems people have with Quantum of Solace, I reckon it actually did have a Ken Adam-a-like lair in the shape of the Chilean hotel at the end.  The Austrian opera scene also had quite a freaky '60s spyfilm feel. 

Though a big lair isn't everything.  Die Another Day had an ice palace.

Nobody Soup

is it pedantic to kinda hate casino royale because of the stupid "GUESS WHAT, ACE OF SPADES! FLUSH! I WIN!" bit? This isn't a spoiler, being one of the most formulaic moments in any film to feature gambling, so I refuse to hide it.

It's not even good poker playing, it should have been 7 hours of Craig "grinding".

biggytitbo

I think both of Craig's bond films are ace. The Brosnan years are a total blight on the franchise, piss poor cartoons with the piss poorest Bond ever[nb]With his perma smirk and stupid hair[/nb]. Cleese is a total embaressment and the aforementioned CGI wave scene is quite possibly the worst thing ever committed to film and everyone involved ought to be utterly ashamed of themselves.

Neomod

Quote from: CaledonianGonzo on November 02, 2011, 12:19:07 PM
Ah, see while I understand a lot of the problems people have with Quantum of Solace, I reckon it actually did have a Ken Adam-a-like lair in the shape of the Chilean hotel at the end.  The Austrian opera scene also had quite a freaky '60s spyfilm feel. 

Though a big lair isn't everything.  Die Another Day had an ice palace.

It wasn't his lair though. It was literally just a hotel in the middle of nowhere. I agree with the Opera scene to a certain extent.

The only good thing about the execrable Die Another Day was the rather lovely Rosamund Pike. To this day it holds my record for worst Bond song, not just theme but song. Even Do they know how Christmas Trees are Made is better.

non capisco

Wasn't Quantum Of Solace a bit of a misfire because the writers' strike necessitated them filming all the 2nd unit stuff first to meet MGM's deadline? So it was essentially a bunch of action scenes with an afterthought of a story wrapped around it.

mycroft

Quote from: CaledonianGonzo on November 02, 2011, 12:19:07 PM
Ah, see while I understand a lot of the problems people have with Quantum of Solace, I reckon it actually did have a Ken Adam-a-like lair in the shape of the Chilean hotel at the end.

Bit puzzling why the hotel seemed to have been made entirely out of compressed hydrogen, though.

QuoteThe Austrian opera scene also had quite a freaky '60s spyfilm feel. 

That was The Good Bit for me, with all the SPECTRE[nb]Fuck "Quantum"[/nb] agents having their confab in secret. Can barely remember anything else about the film now, just a boring female lead, a redhead who seemed to be going "ohmigodohmigod it's Daniel Craig!!" just under the surface, and a decent villainous plot that came to nothing.

Oh yeah, and the scene with the sad villagers around the empty well, which I've probably mentioned before. Under Roger's watch, he'd have given that a magic elbow-nudge and a cascade of water would have emerged, much to the villagers' delight. Then he'd have said "All's well that ends well" or something.

biggytitbo

Gemma Artertons character is totally bizarre, but the other Bond girl is one of the most interesting ever, and her relationship with a nihilistic Bond is the best thing about the film.

El Unicornio, mang

I like both Daniel Craig Bond films. Brosnan looked the part, but he was never believable as a tough guy. And Roger Moore was just shit (Live and Let Die and For Your Eyes Only aside), I mean the films were OK as light-hearted entertainment, but not at all what Bond is supposed to be about.

SavageHedgehog

It's always pretty much been about light entertainment. Of a sort anyway.

I actually really enjoyed QOS, but the idea of watching a Bond film which is another vehicle for Sam Mendes to try and win an Oscar isn't terribly appealing.

Quote from: Noodle Lizard on November 02, 2011, 11:34:09 AM
(pretty unrelated:  "The name's James Bond, JAMES Bond" ... I sort of know what you're parodying (of a parody), but what is it?  It's going to drive me mad)

I remember it from one of Ali G's Channel 4 shows, if that helps.

Noodle Lizard

Quote from: Lookalike Mark Chapman on November 03, 2011, 08:27:20 AM
I remember it from one of Ali G's Channel 4 shows, if that helps.

That may well have been it, actually.  Thanks!


madhair60

Quote from: Noodle Lizard on November 03, 2011, 10:05:27 AM
That may well have been it, actually.  Thanks!

Shooting Stars Puppet Theatre thing from series... 6, was it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCle67gKDOM

Neomod



We've been expecting you.

CaledonianGonzo

I hope they resurrect Javier Bardem's Anton Chigurh hairdo.

Who's the bird in the red?


Dead kate moss

Quote from: Neomod on November 03, 2011, 04:01:55 PM



I didn't know John Trode off Masterchef, Kelly Brooks, a very tanned Melanie Sykes/young Condeleeza Rica and Daniel Craig's grand-dad was in this.

SavageHedgehog

Quote from: SavageHedgehog on November 03, 2011, 08:26:21 AM
I actually really enjoyed QOS, but the idea of watching a Bond film which is another vehicle for Sam Mendes to try and win an Oscar isn't terribly appealing.

Actually I take it back, to whit:
QuoteSam, you got a great Oscar-heavy cast and crew, are you hoping the golden anniversary might tie in with a few golden statuettes?

Mendes: "It's not the reason you do any movie, and it's certainly not the reason you do a Bond movie. I don't think in those terms about anything, and it would be... for me, Bond is for the audience and only for the audience, like any good movie should be. And the rest is just what happens afterwards and that's out of my hands."

Jake Thingray

Interesting that Albert Finney is also apparently in this. I've grumbled on other forums about how he's forgotten by twelve-year-old audiences, perhaps because he doesn't do geek stuff: contemporary critics and interviews show that, in the 60's, he was the actor viewed as spearheading a new working-class presence, but today it all gets reduced to Connery and Sir Maurice Bleedin' Micklewhite.

Bad Ambassador

Quote from: Jake Thingray on November 03, 2011, 11:58:10 PM
forgotten by twelve-year-old audiences, perhaps because he doesn't do geek stuff

So they knew him, then forgot about him? Also, Ocean's Thirteen, Erin Brockovich, The Bourne Supremacy and Big Fish, plus Karaoke/Cold Lazarus, Corpse Bride, Miller's Crossing and The Green Man.

BRING BACK ALAN BATES