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Web 3.0 begins: Megaupload shut down, founder charged with piracy

Started by Pedro_Bear, January 19, 2012, 08:35:45 PM

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biggytitbo

Quote from: jutl on January 20, 2012, 07:09:00 PM
While I agree that that's what they need to do, the present law doesn't prevent that in any way, and something very like the present law will still be needed to pursue those who wont even pay a 'decent price'.
Why even bother wasting effort on that? Some level of piracy will always exist. I know there's a school of thought that says you can't compete with free, but i dont think thats true and illegal downloads aren't really free anyway. It's often difficult, frustrating and time confusing downloading a decent quality illegal version of something, with a high failure rate. Provide an ultra easy way to get a high quality verified version of the same file for a small price and they'd sweep up.


This will get through to them eventually, after they've wasted years of their time pursuing phantoms.

Dusty Gozongas

Quote from: Still Not George on January 20, 2012, 06:47:01 PMThey're used to making all the money. People like that don't give up their rackets easily.

I like the bit where the people they're claiming to represent are a fair proportion of the people fighting them.

biggytitbo

I wonder what the percentage is of people who, if they hadn't downloaded the illegal file, would have bought the legitimate version?


Very low I'd warrant. The truth is, theres a huge potential new market there for them to exploit, if only they weren't such clueless counts.

jutl

Quote from: Zetetic on January 20, 2012, 07:12:09 PM
Has it? TPB's managed to keep going fine in my experience.

It put the site's founders behind bars and shut down TPB's tracker for about a year, IIRC.

QuoteWikileaks has suffered more, but that's basically nothing to do with web access and much more to do with funding;

Well the measures included killing a sites payment mechanism and advertising revenue, which is also what SOPA/PIPA would implement.

jutl

Quote from: biggytitbo on January 20, 2012, 07:21:49 PM
Why even bother wasting effort on that? Some level of piracy will always exist. I know there's a school of thought that says you can't compete with free, but i dont think thats true and illegal downloads aren't really free anyway. It's often difficult, frustrating and time confusing downloading a decent quality illegal version of something, with a high failure rate. Provide an ultra easy way to get a high quality verified version of the same file for a small price and they'd sweep up.

Yes, I agree. I do think, though, that a complete absence of legal sanctions would mean that illegal sites would become as reliable and low-effort as the legitimate sites.

I accept the terms of the

Quote from: biggytitbo on January 20, 2012, 07:28:35 PM
The truth is, theres a huge potential new market there for them to exploit, if only they weren't such clueless counts.
Agh, why do people say things like that? Are you really sitting there thinking that you're more clued up about it than the big media companies, just because you've had the brilliant idea of "Hey, we don't we just like, make the stuff available online and find a way to monetise that?"

These people understand it all better than you do. They have a clue, but they're just not interested in building a healthy new business, because they're making more money running their big evil monopolies into the ground!

You don't buy the fifth yacht with innovative use of digital media.

HappyTree

David_Batty David Batty
So Megaupload was planning a new music venture called Musicbox that would allow artists to sell music directly to consumers. Hmm.
1 hour ago

biggytitbo

The idea that the big media companies have a clue seems to be a wee bit ignorant of the big media companies histories.


But yes, their cosy old strongarm enforced monopolies are obviously more appealing to them than actually innovating and moving with the times.


But this is a battle they can't possibly win so they have a choice of wasting years on this futile attempt to legislate the Internet into the shape they want it or they fucking compete.


They'll do the latter eventually or they'll die.

I accept the terms of the

They're winning massively all of the time. Feel free to suggest to them that they implement some of your ideas as if they just haven't thought of them before, but don't kid yourself into thinking that they just don't get it.

biggytitbo

Ohh someone's in a bad mood!


And no they're not winning. And none of these ideas are remotely original, that's not the point. They're just unwilling to let go of a dead business model. Pssst, Bobby Charlton knew that combover looked shit.


They will relent eventually, but not before they've fucking wasted years of everyone's time and money.

I accept the terms of the

Biggytitbo considering Bobby Charlton analogous to the science of making billions of dollars, there.

You don't actually have any arguments about anything, do you? You just settle on a general attitude or theme and then fill in the blanks, badly.

biggytitbo


Dusty Gozongas

ht tp://109.236.83.66/

QuoteWE DON'T HAVE ANY DOMAIN NAME FOR NOW

ONLY THIS IP ADDRESS (ht tp://109.236.83.66) BEWARE TO THE PISHING SITES!

This is the NEW MEGAUPLOAD SITE! we are working to be back full again

Bookmark the site and share the new address in facebook and twitter!


May or may not be true, naturally. There's a few reports doing the rounds that they have backups up to 12th Jan.

Famous Mortimer

Quote from: I accept the terms of the on January 19, 2012, 09:34:03 PM
Meanwhile, we've just said yes to the US's request to extradite the British student who ran TV Shack, a site that only linked to content.
That guy is from my home town, someone "close to his campaign" is involved in anti-war stuff and asked if they could distribute leaflets and get petitions signed and so on to stop his extradition. Shame it happened, really.

Sony Walkman Prophecies

Thing is, with companies like lovefilm charging 4.99 for unlimited streaming per month, and comedians like Louis C.K. putting out new specials for a couple of quid, is there really any excuse to download content illegally these days? There probably was an argument for it back when streamed/downloaded content was plainly extortionate, but you can stream movies off 99pmovies.net for (surprisingly) 99p, so it's difficult to see the justification. Im not putting this in strictly moral terms either. With places like megaupload you'd always end up wasting a good couple of hours just to get a freely available title - scouring forums to find a working, protected link, and of course the constant re-checking of the download once it had began to see if it had finished. It's just not justifiable 'use' of anyone's time, and I really struggle to see why people bother defending these places.

phes

Love film has not one of the last 5 films i've watched. Not looking to justify if you were to steal them, just pointing that out.

Sony Walkman Prophecies

Edit: oh ok, someone did make a good point about people uploading stuff with little commercial value - fair enough - but that sort of 'file-sharing' was going on way before the internet. Take any hiphop producer from the late 80s to late 90s. They werent getting their uncleared samples over file-sharing networks, they were either going to the source directly, or otherwise relying on companies like Stonesthrow or Zero-g who put out essentially 'bootlegs' of old raregroove stuff on the (correct) assumption that none of the original artists would ever find out what they were doing.

Rare collectables wont suddenly disappear just because of some file-sharing crisis on the internet. So long as there's a market for it, they'll always be people bootlegging the stuff and getting out there, if only for the purely emotional gain of introducing it to a wider audience.

Sony Walkman Prophecies

Another fair point phes, will be interesting to see if that changes anytime soon.

olliebean

Quote from: Sony Walkman Prophecies on January 22, 2012, 02:20:34 PM
Thing is, with companies like lovefilm charging 4.99 for unlimited streaming per month
Where's that then? Cheapest unlimited streaming deal I can see on Lovefilm is £9.99/month.

Famous Mortimer

I would imagine that 99pmovies pay effectively nothing to the makers of the content they have on their site, so downloading or not, the result for the movie companies would be roughly the same?

Blumf

http://www.prefixmag.com/news/filesonic-disables-file-sharing/60803/
Quotethis has all clearly spooked other file-sharing services, including FileSonic. If you go to its homepage, you're greeted by a message that reads: "All sharing functionality on FileSonic is now disabled. Our service can only be used to upload and retrieve files that you have uploaded personally." Not only that, but Uploaded.to is no longer available for use in the U.S.

falafel

Lovefilm, unlimited streaming, 4.99, no discs. Only been an option a few weeks but it's there.

olliebean

They're keeping a bit quiet about it; doesn't seem to be available as an explicit option, you have to use a promo code to sign up for it. Also it's an "introductory offer" so presumably the price will go up before long.

falafel

Ah. I was checking whilst logged in, gave me the option to downgrade to it. Maybe they just want to see how popular it is but don't want to oversell the fairly average library they have at the moment.

Paaaaul

Quote from: olliebean on January 23, 2012, 12:15:00 PM
They're keeping a bit quiet about it; doesn't seem to be available as an explicit option, you have to use a promo code to sign up for it. Also it's an "introductory offer" so presumably the price will go up before long.
I'm pretty sure I've seen that it will be going up to £5.99 after the intro offer, so not too much of a sting when it happens.

Retinend

What the pornocrat pirates make of this situations:

QuoteSupport Anonymous.

Learn how to attack from Anonymous.

Or we can sit around here and whine and wait for their next round.

QuoteOr you could just chill out and calm the f*ck down.

Sure like a lot of others I lost my MU account and a shitload of files,
but the last I checked I wasn't given an inalienable right to upload and download illegal shit,
and no matter what faulty logic you use, that's what WE were doing.

Does it completely suck ass..? Yeah, it does.
Should we lose all grip on reality over this..? No.
Christ, this is like my 15th mass deletion experience
and you just grow up and get used to it after a while.

Or as Sam put it...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B48D60wH8gA&feature=player_embedded

QuoteThe mistake everyone is making is they're assuming the two, Filesonic & Megaupload, are connected - they're not!

Megaupload was taken down by the feds because they symptomatically, and blatantly ignored the the rules set forth by the DMCA.

Filesonic voluntarily folded out of fear that they where next. Filesonic is like the kid that puts the cookie back into the cookie jar after eating 3/4th of it and then tries to convince his mother that he didn't eat the cookie.

I'll miss Megaupload a lot more then Filesonic, which most likely will be back - hard to kill a cockroach, but to be perfectly honest Megaupload had it coming.

Quotei lost my filesonic lifetime member ship fuck them and fuck FB* DO*,...
I still have my DepositFile, but not everyone uploads on that one.
Plz find another good file share host that wont chicken out like those c**ksuckers FSn and FS

QuoteNo need to bring out the self-pity party hats yet. P2P will always evolve in some way. From usenet to napster to ed2k to bitorrent to filesharing, each had its time to shine till it was time to move on to the next big thing. Even if filesharing does not recover from this(somewhat overblown, imo) hit then there will be always something else to take its place. Maybe not immediately but eventually.

It's weird. It feels like the Berlin Wall has come down - or something otherwise massively symbolic of a huge sea change. Maybe the copyright enforcers will become as savvy as the people simply googling for stuff and file sharing will become increasingly expert?

pk1yen

I went to download House today!

And there was only one download link available!

For Filefactory!

And it didn't even work!

So I got a torrent instead.


pk1yen

Quote from: Blumf on January 24, 2012, 02:41:03 PM
Did you use a magnet link?

Yeah - but one downside is that my torrent program doesn't seem to let me choose which bits/episodes to download individually, when I use a magnet link (or what size the file is, if there's only one in the torrent).

Which is a bit of a pain if you're constantly a few hundred megabytes away from a full HDD like I am most of the time.

Wozzie

I'm sorry Kim, but changing your name to Dotcom IS a criminal offence in my book :D