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How to transfer music back from iPhone to Mac?

Started by Replies From View, January 25, 2012, 07:57:51 PM

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falafel

Quote from: SetToStun on January 26, 2012, 09:36:53 AM
I seem to remember that when I was transferring some music to my son's iPod a few years ago, I found an option hidden away somewhere in iTunes - a checkbox called something like "Use iTunes to manage my device". I cleared that and ended up being able to do exactly what the OP wants to do - no connection at all between the music on my PC and what was on his iPod. I don't know if the option's still there in later versions, but it certainly worked for me.

That stops it syncing but on an iphone still doesn't let you move tracks off the device.

falafel

Jobs would say: get a bigger hard drive. Which is fine unless you're not rich, in which case why did you buy a Mac?

I seem to remember talk about the feature being blocked as a concession to the RIIA, as an anti-piracy measure. So you wouldn't go to your friend's house and copy your music collection to their computer. Stupid, I know.

SetToStun

Quote from: falafel on January 26, 2012, 10:59:25 AM
That stops it syncing but on an iphone still doesn't let you move tracks off the device.

So I was right that there was such an option, but wrong about what it did. Hmm. Not bad, if you're me. Sorry I couldn't actually help in the end, but it does seem that Apple do like to keep a very tight rein on their devices.

Ignatius_S

Quote from: Replies From View on January 25, 2012, 10:50:22 PM
Thanks for this, but I can't be spending money (especially not that much) on something like transferring a file from one device to another.  It's barmy.

As I mentioned above there are free alternatives and I suggested one.

Quote from: falafel on January 25, 2012, 10:29:22 PM
Yeah - but that's exactly what I'm getting at.



Geddit?

That advertising campaign was the brainchild of an advertising company that was asked to pitch to Apple (and had been responsible for the 1984 Superbowl ad) and which, according to some reports, Jobs hated at first.

At the time of branding, Apple was losing hand over fist and it was expected to go bust. The advertising campaign was a canny way of exploiting the Apple brand that it really was unique and offered something different – not something that I would have bought myself, but there you go.

Quote from: falafel on January 25, 2012, 10:38:56 PM
Think "different".

Try not to change the settings too much.

Sure and he said that colour would play an important part in choosing a computer in order to conceal that Apple's new computers were being hamstrung with the problems of G4 processor production. Or that flash-drive music players were rubbish at a time, whilst Apple was secretly working on producing them. Or, IIRC, Apple would never do a phone. Basically, he said a lot of things.

Waaaaaay before he said any of this, Jobs was very publicly open about keeping devices locked and keeping the software and hardware closely married. I don't see how that quote indicates otherwise.

Quote from: Zetetic on January 25, 2012, 11:07:27 PM
I'm really not sure that he did, at least not the way that you're suggesting...

And I would say there was good reason.

Quote from: Replies From View on January 25, 2012, 11:31:01 PM
To be honest I feel like I'm very much in the minority here.  It's a fairly straightforward thing I want to do and I'm surprised that so few think it's nuts that the solutions are either to jailbreak my phone (which as I understand it voids the warranty or causes other such problems; tell me if I'm wrong though) or to buy a piece of software for around a tenner or more....

As far as I'm aware, there are no permanent problems that can be caused by jailbreaking – as long as you've backed up your iPhone. Originally, it could brick your phone – Apple then made a couple of changes, where if that did happen, you could restore the iPhone from back-up.

With regards to it voiding your warranty, that's a moot point. Jailbreaking is legal under the Copyright and Related Rights Regulations 2003 – basically, if you're circumventing technical restrictions for functionality and not infringing copyright. Whether Apple will honour that warranty is another thing.

As I mentioned previously, I would visit a site like MacRumors or another that specialises in jailbreaking – it's a far better resource than a site like this.

Quote from: Steve Lampkins on January 26, 2012, 11:04:51 AM
I seem to remember talk about the feature being blocked as a concession to the RIIA, as an anti-piracy measure. So you wouldn't go to your friend's house and copy your music collection to their computer. Stupid, I know.

That was one of the reasons that was mentioned why it worked the way it did with the iPod, but Apple don't really talk about such things. From my days as a hack, I had heard that it was a concession to the record labels for getting onboard for the iTunes Store – however, it would fit in well with how Apple wanted the devices to work and was far preferable to giving them a royalty on each iPod sold, which some labels (Sony, the main one, IIRC) wanted.

falafel

Quote from: Ignatius_S on January 26, 2012, 11:48:40 AM
Waaaaaay before he said any of this, Jobs was very publicly open about keeping devices locked and keeping the software and hardware closely married. I don't see how that quote indicates otherwise.

I'm not saying his attitude to technology, walled gardens etc was inconsistent in itself. I'm saying that in its ruthless internal consistency it was flagrantly at odds with his espoused ideals - as I mentioned, his frequently-expressed belief that iconoclasm gets you everywhere.

I'm saying that if Apple was a country, it would be like a smug North Korea; I'm saying it was one rule for him, and another for his customers.

Replies From View

Quote from: Hank Venture on January 26, 2012, 10:49:02 AM
Did you pirate the music? If so, pirate one of the programmes that can transfer it back.

Did you buy the music? If so, buy one of the programmes that can transfer it. Or find one that's limited free or completely free. Ask Google or a Mac forum or something, I can't remember what I used last time. Not really helpful, but that's what I've got.

In this instance, I made the music, so I guess I should make the programme that can transfer it to my laptop?

I have the mp3 on my Time Capsule, so in three weeks when I'm back in that location I can fetch it and it'll be fine.  It's just that, as I said, the Time Capsule doesn't stop me from transferring files back and forth like any other external hard drive, and I wasn't aware that the iTunes interface would limit me in this particular way in advance.

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#37
Quote from: falafel on January 26, 2012, 11:01:17 AM
Jobs would say: get a bigger hard drive. Which is fine unless you're not rich, in which case why did you buy a Mac?

Is any of that your own sneery advice to somebody who isn't rich but has a Mac, or is that all being said in Jobs' voice?

It's just that some people really are wanting me to answer why on earth I have a Mac, or whatever, but it's not really directly related to the question I asked.  I'm not holding up money saying "look at me I have a Mac, I'm so alternative and also I'm rich," and nobody I know who owns Apple equipment does do things like that.  I have an Apple Time Capsule which works perfectly fine as a normal external hard drive without any imposed limitations.  The limitation I'm encountering with the iPhone to Mac interface took me completely by surprise given what I can do with the Time Capsule, and I was simply wondering whether it was actually a limitation or I'd just missed something crucial that other people knew.

Replies From View

Quote from: Ignatius_S on January 26, 2012, 11:48:40 AM
As I mentioned above there are free alternatives and I suggested one.

[...]

As I mentioned previously, I would visit a site like MacRumors or another that specialises in jailbreaking – it's a far better resource than a site like this.

Consider the job of this thread done, if you like.  I know where to go now and you've all been very helpful.

Ignatius_S

Quote from: falafel on January 26, 2012, 12:26:30 PM
I'm not saying his attitude to technology, walled gardens etc was inconsistent in itself. I'm saying that in its ruthless internal consistency it was flagrantly at odds with his espoused ideals - as I mentioned, his frequently-expressed belief that iconoclasm gets you everywhere. ...

Jobs was a salesman (some would say of snake oil) and a CEO of two companies (three if you count NeXT as that helped paved his return to Apple) that made him a multi-billionaire and allowed him to do pretty much could do what the hell he liked at either company (far, far more so than most CEOs could get away with).  There's surprise and amazement that they should be inconsistency between what he said and he did?

However, this doesn't get away from the fact, that it was very easy to look past the advertising and see what Apple's products did/didn't do – I'd rather do that that than a businessman at their word.

Quote from: falafel on January 26, 2012, 12:26:30 PM...I'm saying that if Apple was a country, it would be like a smug North Korea; I'm saying it was one rule for him, and another for his customers.

Personally, I would say that the comparison drawn by Robert X. Cringely in his book Accidental Empires (which formed the basis of his documentary series, Triumph of the Nerds)  where Bill Gates was the Emir of Kuwait to Steve Jobs' Saddam Hussein is a more apt one.

mcbpete

Doesn't Yamipod do stuff like what you need - http://www.yamipod.com/main/modules/home/

I don't (and will never) own an iAnything so haven't personally had any cause to try it but it came up on my radar many years ago and it seems to be the solution to most iTunes restoration type needs.

(It's completely free so you can at least give the bugger a go !)

Hank Venture

Quote from: Replies From View on January 26, 2012, 12:40:38 PM
In this instance, I made the music, so I guess I should make the programme that can transfer it to my laptop?

I have the mp3 on my Time Capsule, so in three weeks when I'm back in that location I can fetch it and it'll be fine.  It's just that, as I said, the Time Capsule doesn't stop me from transferring files back and forth like any other external hard drive, and I wasn't aware that the iTunes interface would limit me in this particular way in advance.

It didn't occur to me, so I didn't write it down, but yes.

Don't know if the free version has any restrictions, but you should try this: http://www.ecamm.com/mac/phoneview/

Ignatius_S

Quote from: Replies From View on January 26, 2012, 12:45:57 PM
Consider the job of this thread done, if you like.  I know where to go now and you've all been very helpful.

The one that I had (well, one of them) is now called iExplorer . I've checked and its free – also, double-checking a few reviews, think that will do the job.

As I say, with a site with MacRumors, you'll get all sorts of users and (most!) are incredibly helpful. I know you're a little wary of jailbreaking, but I would have a look there – however, from what you've said already, I think a piece of (free) software should be do the trick.

Replies From View

Quote from: Ignatius_S on January 26, 2012, 12:52:07 PM
The one that I had (well, one of them) is now called iExplorer . I've checked and its free – also, double-checking a few reviews, think that will do the job.

Thanks a lot mate, that's exactly what I was after.  I knew the solution didn't need to be more complicated or extreme than this.

I have furnished you with three of your finest British karmas.

Hank Venture

Quote from: Ignatius_S on January 26, 2012, 12:52:07 PM
The one that I had (well, one of them) is now called iExplorer . I've checked and its free – also, double-checking a few reviews, think that will do the job.

As I say, with a site with MacRumors, you'll get all sorts of users and (most!) are incredibly helpful. I know you're a little wary of jailbreaking, but I would have a look there – however, from what you've said already, I think a piece of (free) software should be do the trick.

I'm interested in jailbreaking the old phone, how would one go forward to do this?

Ignatius_S

Quote from: Replies From View on January 26, 2012, 01:03:17 PM
Thanks a lot mate, that's exactly what I was after.  I knew the solution didn't need to be more complicated or extreme than this.

I have furnished you with three of your finest British karmas.

No problem at all – hope it does the trick.. and shucks.

Quote from: Hank Venture on January 26, 2012, 01:07:23 PM
I'm interested in jailbreaking the old phone, how would one go forward to do this?

To be honest, just googling would get you the info, but which version of iOS is on it?

Hank Venture

Quote from: Ignatius_S on January 26, 2012, 01:17:13 PM
No problem at all – hope it does the trick.. and shucks.

To be honest, just googling would get you the info, but which version of iOS is on it?

iPhone 4, version 5.0.1. What I'm wondering is what the best software is. I could probably do the rest myself.

Crabwalk

Glad you've found some answers.

By the way...

Quote from: Replies From View on January 25, 2012, 08:31:27 PM
I've had this with most of the Apple software I use - operations that I take to be standard are for some reason limited.  For example, on Soundtrack Pro it's very easy to alter the pitch of a piece of music, or alter its speed, but only separately from one another.  If you want to adjust them both at the same time, as if you were slowing down or speeding up an analogue tape, and as I used to be able to do very easily with my old PC laptop, well no it turns out that's seemingly impossible.  Again, not obscure things; in fact adjusting them separately ought to be the bigger challenge really.

You can use 'Time Stretch' to alter the length/speed and then a Pitch Shift filter. Works a charm.

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#48
Quote from: Crabwalk on January 26, 2012, 01:30:57 PM
You can use 'Time Stretch' to alter the length/speed and then a Pitch Shift filter. Works a charm.

Thanks.  Doing this left some unwanted digital artifacts on my music whenever I tried it before[nb]Eg. Stretching would create miniscule gaps across the track, or cause a strange warbling quality, which wouldn't be removed just by pitching it down.[/nb], and I was also unable to adjust them the way I wanted, ie. in a gradient form that would allow something like a shephard tone effect.  Maybe a shephard tone is a little obscure but not if you're somebody who knows that slowing down or speeding up a record or tape simultaneously alters the pitch.

But I'll check it out again some time; to be honest I haven't used Soundtrack Pro for a while because I wasn't getting on with it intuitively.  There are all sorts of barely noticeable pitch/speed things I like to build into my music that come from growing up with tapes just doing the thing they do as they age; it's just part of what makes certain types of music feel right for me, but with Soundtrack Pro it all became too laborious.

Ignatius_S

Quote from: Hank Venture on January 26, 2012, 01:25:07 PM
iPhone 4, version 5.0.1. What I'm wondering is what the best software is. I could probably do the rest myself.

Have a look at redsn0w - there are lots of guides and videos online.

Puffin Chunks

This will do what you want:
http://www.kennettnet.co.uk/products/musicrescue/

You'll need to hit space bar every 50 tracks (nag screen on the free version) but small price to pay.

I've used it on my iPod 5th Gen and works fine. It says it works on iPhone as well.

Job done.

___
Edit: or just ignore this, because I now see your question has been answered multiple times.

Replies From View

Already got the answer I needed from Ignatius_S above mate, but thanks all the same.

falafel

Replies - my tongue was very firmly in my cheek. I do think not being rich is a big disadvantage to a Mac owner though, but then it is for a lot of things, like, say, living.

Ignatius - not in any way surprised or amazed; rather, disappointed by the predictability of it all.