Jimmy Carr and his tax buggery on 8 Out Of 10 Cats

[Hank Venture]

Well, that's the way I see it.  Plus it was apparently completely legal, though I don't know how convoluted the loophole is.  Even though he's a massive twat of the highest order (for other reasons), I don't think he's legally or ****morally**** done anything wrong here.

Do you support everyone paying 1 percent tax?

[Hanslow]

The point remains, to my mind that -

Why?

By supporting Talk to Frank he's supporting the misinformation perpetuated by a system that imprisons countless innocent people each year. No exaggeration.

[Default to the negative]

"The problem is that young people think drugs are cool, they like the whole bad-boy image. That's what we need to address here. Let's get David Mitchell." *


_{*who rose to fame in a sitcom which regularly made light of drug-taking.}

[Tokyo Sexwhale]

What if I video it on a video camera? I can probably afford one on my millions a year.

You don't need to earn millions to pay 40% tax.  You need to earn £35k or so before you start paying tax at that rate.  So it becomes more of a dilemma when you're earning say £50k a year, a decent wage but hardly a fortune.  So then the decision of 'do I pay 1% and use the rest to give my family a more comfortable life' or 'do I pay 40% and help people I may not know or pay for schemes or policies with which I may not agree,, becomes a real dilemma.

[Dead kate moss]

The point is that I'd happily prove I'd be happy to pay 40% tax if I was in that tax bracket. £50k a year is a fortune to most people, not merely a 'decent wage.'.

[biggytitbo]

The point is that I'd happily prove I'd be happy to pay 40% tax if I was in that tax bracket. £50k a year is a fortune to most people, not merely a 'decent wage.'.

I don't think £50k is that much if you have a family and a mortgage in London, for instance.

[SockPuppet]

Do you support everyone paying 1 percent tax?

Having worked overseas and had the experience of paying around 15% tax, I have to say that I prefer it to 40%.

But I'm on my own here, it seems.

[Noodle Lizard]

But his out-of-character moments are not what have made Carr rich and famous, so Hitchens is dead wrong on that.

I'd say merely being involved in 10 O'Clock Live would qualify him as such - for Hitchens anyway.

[Noodle Lizard]

It is propaganda because an adverts job is to play on people's emotions, while a educators job is to utilise facts. If 'our' government is trying to persuade us to act a certain way through the same medium Volvic water inculcate a sense of loyalty to their water, then we need to be cynical.

Does that mean that those "THINK!", Drink Responsibly and other such public information ads also qualify as government propaganda?

[KLG-7A]

The point is that I'd happily prove I'd be happy to pay 40% tax if I was in that tax bracket. £50k a year is a fortune to most people, not merely a 'decent wage.'.

Or you could be earning 50K for one year because you got some good contracting work, but then suddenly be on nothing at all. Okay, fine, you earned loads of money that year to live on. But then your fiancée living abroad has medical expenses you need to help with and other unexpected stuff comes up, eating up a good deal of your savings. Oh, and there's no more contract work from the company that has just gone bust so your income is suddenly zero, and all of the money you invested in your business to specialise in this is wasted. Oh, and there's five months left on the contract for your flat in the expensive area you had to move to.

Which is exactly what happened to me. I found work to help make sure that I can pay the taxes that I owe, and I'm living in my parent's house because I can't afford a bedsit and pay that off. Oh, how wonderful it is to have been in that tax bracket(!)

But yeah, whoop-de-do, living the high life.

[Default to the negative]

Having worked overseas and had the experience of paying around 15% tax, I have to say that I prefer it to 40%.

Maybe there is a moral argument for tax avoidance, and maybe it comes down to the matters of trust and customer satisfaction. If, while you were working overseas, you were stuck in a quagmire of social decline and decay, you might have thought that it was better to live in good old Britain where you could see that extra taxation being put to good use. But no one, at any level of society, feels that way about Britain. It is fairly natural for those who pay high income tax to look around them and ask: "So where is that going then?" And the answer from the Prime Minister is: "Well, we still don't have enough because of that popular comedian there. We spent upwards of £12bn on the Olympics and £250m on a prestige effort in Libya - with a completely necessary Jubilee celebration thrown in - so that we can realise our ambitions as great men of history and find gainful employment for our fellow parasites, but because of Jimmy Carr there just isn't enough money in the pot for the things you wrongly believe to be important." People on the left generally agree that the system is fucking us over, so why shouldn't the relationship be reciprocal?

[Jamie Oliver is fat]

The point is that I'd happily prove I'd be happy to pay 40% tax if I was in that tax bracket. £50k a year is a fortune to most people, not merely a 'decent wage.'.

As was explained to you, 40% comes in at just over 30 grand, not 50 grand

I think you might change your mind about a high tax rate if you was to actually reach that level of salary, it's easy to be blase when dreaming of a salary and saying "oh fuck I'd pay whatever tax that sort of salary demanded", but the reality is probably different

But it's probably my fault for posing such a hypothetical question. I just think, given the chance, most people would do what Jimmy Carr did

It's ok to get stuck into him now, Jimmy Carr was moaning about Jimmy Carr before he got found out

The only thing he regrets is getting found out

If it made the decision easier for you, being able to afford Bupa is another way of paying nurses salaries

[Dead kate moss]

As was explained to you, 40% comes in at just over 30 grand, not 50 grand

I think you might change your mind about a high tax rate if you was to actually reach that level of salary, it's easy to be blase when dreaming of a salary and saying "oh fuck I'd pay whatever tax that sort of salary demanded", but the reality is probably different

50k was the figure I was given as a 'decent wage' so the one I mentioned. I am quite aware that it is not the threshold. And please do not tell me I would change my mind if I was earning enough to pay the highest tax rate, just because you can't believe there are some people who are not all about fucking money and feel they should pay their fair share.

Yes, you might make 50k a year then lose your job. That would suck. But also, many many people on 35 - 50k a year have a partner also on a high wage, the household then being on maybe 70 - 80k a year combined. A fortune for most people, and something that so many rich people just want to deny. 'I'm not rich!' etc. Yes you are, you are rich. Try living on 8k a year like many people and maybe you will see how rich you were.

[Hanslow]

Does that mean that those "THINK!", Drink Responsibly and other such public information ads also qualify as government propaganda?

Well it depends on whether they're making a proper attempt at playing the educator, or using adverts as they're traditionally used. Jumping on the back of a celebrities public image and using sensationalist images is wrong no matter the cause. But I don't think there is anything wrong per-say in using television to make your point.

[Kishi the Bad Lampshade]

If anyone's curious, Marcus Brigstocke of all people was quite vicious about Carr on the latest Now Show.

[Jamie Oliver is fat]

It might be more telling to see those who aren't saying a thing

Brigstocke is probably just pissed that he didn't know about this scheme

[bookym]

Did any of you think of maybe going for a drink instead of this? Or reading a book, taking a walk?

Anything but this?

Just curious like.

[KLG-7A]

Just ban him immediately. So much easier. No need for drama.

[Dead kate moss]

Did any of you think of maybe going for a drink instead of this? Or reading a book, taking a walk?

Anything but this?

Just curious like.

Troll, the obvious question is if posting on the internet is such a waste of time, why are you doing it?

[Hank Venture]

Having worked overseas and had the experience of paying around 15% tax, I have to say that I prefer it to 40%.

But I'm on my own here, it seems.

Where? Any particular reason you didn't stay?

Also, no answer from Noodle Lizard. Hm.

[bookym]

Troll, the obvious question is if posting on the internet is such a waste of time, why are you doing it?

No troll sunshine, just genuinely curious why the collective mithering about each guest, their (theoretical) motivation for each gag etc? Should they have reduced him to tears? Immolation?

I am just interested in why it should exercise the posters so much; it seems that a fair few of the names brought on these forums are all pretty petty people outside of the fact that they get their work on telly/radio.

Why the surprise then?

[bookym]

Troll, the obvious question is if posting on the internet is such a waste of time, why are you doing it?

Oh and by the way

Ooo Troll! (raises handbag)

Smelling salts are on the left dear.

[Dead kate moss]

It's a comedy forum, discussing comedians.

The Jimmy Carr story has been big news.

Tax is an issue that people often disagree about.

There are lots of jokes to be made.

If you read my posts I agree with what you seem to be saying, that guests on 8/10 Cats were hardly likely to rip him to shreds, though they didn't give him an easy ride either. IMO.

You got called a troll because your original post covered none of the points you raised on further enquiry, merely suggesting we were strange for discussing the issue. Blame yourself for that one mate.

[bookym]

Possibly a fair point on the initial post but looking at a lot of the posts across the board such as the Linehan/Gervais Twitter stuff it just seems a little odd that a comedian/comedy writer should be seen as or representing some kind of moral vanguard?

And I am not trying to excuse any of them either.

And as far as the jokes went, they weren't great IMO, although I think Sean Lock is always better when he is being oblique which is hard to do when a workmate/friend? is in the s--t big time on the telly?

[eluc55]

Did any of you think of maybe going for a drink instead of this? Or reading a book, taking a walk?

A laqer and a walk?

[Thursday]

When I signed on this forum, I gave up my rights to go out drinking, read books and walk outside. Admittedly there are times when I long to do those things again, but there's not a doubt in my mind I made the right decision.

[mr grole]

I have had to deal with hospitals quite a lot this year, and I haven't been that impressed. My reality is at odds with the national myth about how wonderful the NHS is supposed to be.

Then go private.

[mr grole]

Boyle's definitely 'left wing', and I think Carr is too, I remember him saying 'we are left wing liberals' in an interview about the 10 O'Clock Show.

They say it so it must be true. They wouldn't just say to appeal to their fan base. Oh no.

[Default to the negative]

Did any of you think of maybe going for a drink instead of this? Or reading a book, taking a walk?

Anything but this?

Just curious like.

I bet this post was made by one of those "norms" who go around being popular and having girlfriends!

I'm absolutely livid.

[Mark Steels Stockbroker]

Ah yes, famed lefty comic Jimmy Carr.

All comics are left-wing next to Peter Hitchens. Including Jim Davidson and Bernard Manning.