Savile Documentary

[Jackson K Pollock]

This is rubbish, isn't it?

The only entertainment value I've got from it so far is imagining that the guy doing the VoiceOver is Tony Way from the Thomas & Way podcasts. (This is more fun than it sounds as I don't actually know what Tony Way looks like).

Also, during the reconstructions I keep trying to find the brass eye quote (that I can't remember exactly) about "anyone who would agree to rub their breasts on camera is obviously deeply disturbed", which is bringing up some fascinating Google results.

[Thomas]

A reconstruction of a woman being interviewed for the documentary. That's got to be a first.

[haveachocolatebiscuit]

Holy fuck!

[Mildly Diverting]

"Was he as handsome as me?"

[Pseudopath]

Does Esther Rantzen still have anything to do with ChildLine? Surely if she knew of the rumours about Savile and never said anything she should resign immediately?

[Saucer51]

The entire contents of the documentary have been played out in the press all week. There's nothing new but it's certainly still shocking viewing. But I have to say, if I saw a grown man petting with someone I believed to be 12 years old, let alone thinking they'd spent the night together, I'd be on the phone to the police, pronto. I understand being powerless on mere hearsay but actually seeing something and doing nothing?

A small point - didn't one have to be 16 to be in the Top Of The Pops audience or was that just an official rule that was often bent?

[El Unicornio, mang]

How would they know they're not 16 though?

[Mr Eggs]

Does Esther Rantzen still have anything to do with ChildLine? Surely if she knew of the rumours about Savile and never said anything she should resign immediately?

She'd be better off still working for Watchdog to nail the plastic surgeon that fucked up her face.

[Dead kate moss]

Well, I thought all the victims seemed very genuine. I think he definitely abused loads of underage girls. Evidence either way was always going to be hard to get, but based on the accounts, and the similarities between them, he done did it all the fucking nonce.

[Jackson K Pollock]

Well, I thought all the victims seemed very genuine. I think he definitely abused loads of underage girls. Evidence either way was always going to be hard to get, but based on the accounts, and the similarities between them, he done did it all the fucking nonce.

Can't really argue with that, sadly, but it was still a terribly put together documentary.

[massive bereavement]

I'm still feeling pretty ill right now. Maybe I wouldn't have felt so bad had it been a celebrity who was reasonable looking, but the thought of some poor girl having to put her finger up Savile's arse is one I'm really struggling to come to terms with.

[Brundle-Fly]

A reconstruction of a woman being interviewed for the documentary. That's got to be a first.

Don't forget the shot of a squirrel gathering nuts- like Savile grooming his prey.

[KLG-7A]

The only entertainment value I've got from it so far is imagining that the guy doing the VoiceOver is Tony Way from the Thomas & Way podcasts. (This is more fun than it sounds as I don't actually know what Tony Way looks like).

Ooh, I hope you've seen this guy before and finding out that it's him is a massive blow to your expectations:

[haveachocolatebiscuit]

Leave Tony Way alone. He has got a face for comedy but comes across as a lovely bloke in the podcasts.

[biggytitbo]

..a balding Michael Bolton...

Is there any other kind of Michael Bolton?

[Butchers Blind]

I'm still feeling pretty ill right now. Maybe I wouldn't have felt so bad had it been a celebrity who was reasonable looking, but the thought of some poor girl having to put her finger up Savile's arse is one I'm really struggling to come to terms with.

Even if it wasn't true the thought of a poor, defenseless underage girl trapped in a Rolls Royce with Savile and then made to insert her finger into his anus is a horrifying image that no-one should have to imagine.  Thanks ITV.

[The Duck Man]

Hey, from the interests section of Ed Stewart's Wikipedia page:

Stewart's two main interests are playing golf (he often met listeners of his programme who volunteered to caddy for him) and football; he is a supporter of Everton F.C.

He is also a regular reader for Woking Talking Newspaper.

He is a big fan of meeting up with 13 year-old girls, in the hope of later marrying them[2].

[momatt]

Tony Law is also the lead singer of Colon.
The second best indie band ever[nb]to appear on The Fast Show[/nb].

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClcwKgxu2wk

Ed Stewart's Wikipedia page

That was me.  It got taken down, so I put it back again.

[Flouncer]

Kunt's put a song out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGuSqSSmyy0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Butchers Blind]

Any word from this guy?

[Dead kate moss]

Does Esther Rantzen still have anything to do with ChildLine? Surely if she knew of the rumours about Savile and never said anything she should resign immediately?

She said she'd heard rumours. Not sure what she could do with that, tell someone in power there are rumours about Savile fucking 15 year olds, could you look into that? Maybe. I do think it looks like the bigger picture is that the BBC was involved in covering up some of this child abuse stuff, turning a blind eye, protecting a paedo, and murdering children and burying them in the Blue Peter garden.

[Cerys]

I did wonder about that Italian Sunken Garden.

[massive bereavement]

Presumably if Savile was still alive, he and he alone would be the one to be put on trial and he and he alone would be the one facing a prison sentence. Yet, because he's now dead, there seems to be a need among the public to point the finger at somebody else and have their career/reputation ruined on his behalf.

[Dead kate moss]

The Catholic Church, various care homes and others have come under fire for covering up child abuse. If the BBC or anyone specific is shown to have known of repeated child abuse, on their premises, and done nothing, or covered things up in any way, it's right they would be in trouble. If the police are shown to have dismissed allegations for no good reason, them too. I doubt this is the end of the story.

[massive bereavement]

That's a fair point, I doubt it will lead to anything more than a public apology though and you can't really blame people for not thinking the absolute worst of somebody if they haven't actually witnessed the nitty gritty of it, especially in the context of the time - Sexual deviancy in the 1960's and 70's was primarily considered to do with homosexuality and then pornography, at least as far as the general public were concerned. The police in those days were very keen on catching gay men and raiding private book stores. The local pedo's, back in the day, were a bit of a joke really, they weren't associated with kidnappings, murder, ritual abuse, torture or whatever comes to mind now, they were just these odd characters who you could go to for a bit of extra pocket money or sweets in return for a quick show or fiddle - if you were so inclined to make use of that particular 'public service'. That's generally how they were perceived, so the suspicions of Savile were probably just that, rather than that he was intimidating particularly vulnerable girls into having actual intercourse.

[Thursday]

Tony Law is also the lead singer of Colon.
The second best indie band ever[nb]to appear on The Fast Show[/nb].

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClcwKgxu2wk

I'm assuming these guys are number 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr1qJQpAF_s

And I assume you mean Tony Way.

[momatt]

I'm assuming these guys are number 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr1qJQpAF_s

And I assume you mean Tony Way.

You are very good at assuming things.  :)
Correct in both cases.

[Dead kate moss]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/04/jimmy-savile-untouchable-press

Allegations of sexual abuse by the late Sir Jimmy Savile were not reported by newspapers in the 1970s partly because libel laws made celebrities "untouchable", according to a former tabloid editor.

Brian Hitchen, editor of the Daily Star from 1987 to 1995 and the Sunday Express until 1996, said he has known of allegations about Savile abusing underage girls for more than 45 years.

Hitchen wrote in the Daily Express on Thursday: "So why in all the years that have passed since I was first told did I never write about Savile? Two reasons.

"In those days newspapers did not write 'nasty' stories about celebrities unless the famous had been handsomely paid for their fairly tame revelations. The second reason is because Britain's libel laws too often help make those like Savile untouchable."

Hitchen is the latest figure to suggest that allegations about Savile and underage girls have been well known in media and entertainment circles for decades.

This week a former BBC press officer said he had been instructed by the former Radio 1 controller, Douglas Muggeridge, in 1973 to see whether the tabloids planned to print abuse allegations about Savile.

Rodney Collins, who was head of press for Radio 1 when Savile worked at the station, said two tabloid newspapers and two London evening titles told him they knew of rumours about the Jim'll Fix It star but did not plan to publish anything.

Hitchen said he was told 45 years ago that Savile was removed from a cruise liner in Gibraltar following complaints from the parents of a 14-year-old girl. According to Hitchen, Savile denied he had behaved inappropriately after being confronted by the ship's captain.

"The only thing that puzzled me about Sir Jimmy Savile's death was that it took so long for his sexual victims to come out of the woodwork. I have known he abused underage girls for more than 45 years," he wrote.

Lord Grade, BBC1 controller in the mid-1980s when Savile was presenting Jim'll Fix It and Top of the Pops for the channel, told Channel 4 News earlier this week that he had "fleetingly" heard rumours about him but nothing that gave him cause to investigate. Paul Gambaccini, the former Radio 1 DJ, said he had waited for the abuse allegations to come out for 30 years and said Savile played the media "like a Stradivarius".

[Dead kate moss]

Can't really argue with that, sadly, but it was still a terribly put together documentary.

I'm sure the BBC would have done a better job, but for some reason didn't want to touch the story.

[George Oscar Bluth II]

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/11/07/jimmy-savile%E2%80%99s-obituaries-mentioned-his-charity-work-but-why-the-conspiracy-of-silence-about-his-faith/

Like the Catholic Herald, I too hope that Jimmy Savile's catholic faith is more widely known about.