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The Old Skool Hardcore/Rave Tune Dumping Ground Thread-a-Go-Go

Started by Puffin Chunks, February 19, 2013, 01:18:21 AM

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monkfromhavana


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monkfromhavana

The best tune ever to sample the theme from Battlestar Galactica:

The Minister-So-Sinister - Battlestar Hardcore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mGLzRxrMsk

Porridge



Porridge

Quote from: monkfromhavana on May 28, 2013, 09:58:38 PM
Also - this is a good read!

http://www.vice.com/read/rave-video-comments-will-restore-your-faith-in-humanity

I've always found such comments from old farts who are past their prime to be very irritating. To be serious for a moment, why can't this kind of exciting dance music be emulated these days? I seriously doubt that people will be reminiscing about dubstep in 20 years' time.

Anyhow, here's a mix of 1991/1992 stuff what I did. https://soundcloud.com/user726849516/mix-1-june-2012

thepuffpastryhangman

Quote from: monkfromhavana on February 19, 2013, 03:10:18 PM
Also, you don't get atmospheres like this in clubs these day, I don't care what anyone says. I have never seen anything like what happens at 25 seconds in since

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui-TaOq2gEU


I went to Quadrant Park in 1991. It'd got a bit dangerous by then. There were was a corridor at the entrance made of heavy duty metal mesh stuff, apparently there'd been some Mancs coming over and kicking off. It wasn't packed but still pretty good. Oceanic were on as the Live PA. I think it's fair to say we were all "jump up crew" during Insanity. The tune drags you along but doesn't stand the test of time that well. Her singing for a start is terrible.

(I've not read the whole thread so there may be some treats in store but...) I find it odd that so little footage appears to exist of nights/events from 1990/91. There were people with video cameras walking around quite often but I'm yet to set any prolonged decent quality footage of an event (not that I've looked that hard but should I need to?) Older and sadder I may be but I actually do want to see footage of people (ideally me) trying to get served at the bar at Shelleys (soft drink of course) and having to edge my way between people's legs. Not because I'm short in stature but because the bar is full of people energetically dancing on it.

thepuffpastryhangman

#127
While I'm at it (I haven't clicked every link in the thread so apologies if this is here somewhere already) I'll link to this especially un hardcore but definitely rave tune. It's not quite a piano high tune but a neck hair shiverer (for me at least) and lays a template for the essence of what followed, the high piano stuff at least.

Goodness me, the intro and the first 'toot too-too too-too' bit alone sends a chill that's both exciting and comforting at the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om4JhjvRN1U

EDIT - The first minute is easier listening than the rest, ha,

Errr, one tune I've never stumbled upon again was something I taped off a pirate radio station way back when. What I believe was a Joey Beltram remix of The KLF's Grim Up North.

Does it still exist? Did it ever?

EDIT 2 - I've not noticed any Bizarre Inc mentioned here (I could easily have missed it) Playing With Knives is their absolute classic but they did few decent tunes, including this TOTP performance of Such A Feeling. I HAVE SINCE NOTICED IMITATION LEATHER HAS ALREADY LINKED TO THIS. SOZ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjdVvdjslVQ

And why not link to Playing with Knives, it is their masterpiece after all.

lhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLlvYaCZ8Vc Glenn Gould they aint but nonetheless sorted with this number.

Can't believe there's no link to Xpansions, a tune I've often bigged up here o'er the years. (Maybe I missed that link too?) Anyway, I think this probably encapsulates, more than any one other single tune, what it seemed to be about...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ywo5WUNyU

Oh my goody goody goody goody gosh, bouncing in my Hag to that. It's the one tune from back then that never seems to wear out either.

Porridge

Quote from: thepuffpastryhangman on June 16, 2013, 09:22:24 AM
While I'm at it (I haven't clicked every link in the thread so apologies if this is here somewhere already) I'll link to this especially un hardcore but definitely rave tune. It's not quite a piano high tune but a neck hair shiverer (for me at least) and lays a template for the essence of what followed, the high piano stuff at least.

Goodness me, the intro and the first 'toot too-too too-too' bit alone sends a chill that's both exciting and comforting at the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om4JhjvRN1U


Ever heard this version? This has always been my preferred mix of that tune. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdG2rgC5PMM

Puffin Chunks

Finally... I'm going to show this thread a bit more love.

I decided to take it upon myself to mix all the tracks suggested in this thread for easy consumption, and because it seemed like an interesting challenge. I was going to do a mix for each page, but with just the first page clocking in at over 4 hours, I decided to take a change of tack and split them into CD length mixes... As you can imagine, there were a few challenges with having the tracks pre-selected for me, but that was all part of the fun.

So without further ado I present Verbcore - The First Page - Vol. 1.





Mixcloud page:
http://bit.ly/10o3K1C

Lossless FLAC download for CD burning[NB]I have split the FLACs into 22 separate files, so if you are burning to CD make sure to select "disc-at-once" in your favourite burning software to eliminate gaps[/nb] and posterity keeping:
http://bit.ly/11i8019

I'll hopefully have the rest of Page 1 done in the next few weeks, before embarking on the remaining pages of this thread. Probably going to take a while, but thanks for all the contributions! I've found a lot of stuff I've never heard because of this thread and it's nice to be able to give something back. I intend to include all contributions (as long as they more or less fit within the old skool hardcore genre), so keep them coming!

Porridge

Quote from: Puffin Chunks on June 16, 2013, 09:44:09 PM
Finally... I'm going to show this thread a bit more love.

I decided to take it upon myself to mix all the tracks suggested in this thread for easy consumption, and because it seemed like an interesting challenge. I was going to do a mix for each page, but with just the first page clocking in at over 4 hours, I decided to take a change of tack and split them into CD length mixes... As you can imagine, there were a few challenges with having the tracks pre-selected for me, but that was all part of the fun.

So without further ado I present Verbcore - The First Page - Vol. 1.

I'm listening to your mix now and am really enjoying it - cheers!

Puffin Chunks

Cheers! I've downloaded your mix for listening to tomorrow.

I've gone about my ones all wrong... the next 2 mixes are unlikely to be as good, because I've left myself the trickier tracks to mix. Still, I like a challenge.

You got a tracklisting for your mix?

Porridge

Quote from: Puffin Chunks on June 17, 2013, 11:16:25 PM
Cheers! I've downloaded your mix for listening to tomorrow.

I've gone about my ones all wrong... the next 2 mixes are unlikely to be as good, because I've left myself the trickier tracks to mix. Still, I like a challenge.

You got a tracklisting for your mix?

Don't worry, I tend to be more concerned about the tunes themselves rather than the actual mixing, though I thought your mixing there was very good. And thanks once again, I really enjoyed what you did.

The mixing on the one I linked to was a little dodgy, but I think the track list is as follows:


Phuture Assassins - Shot Like Dis
Project One - A Great Day
The Ragga Twinz - The Homeless Problem
The Family Foundation - Express Yourself
DJ Nex - Fluid
Two Bad Mice - Waremouse
Sonz of a Loop da Loop Era - Higher
Tic Tac Toe - 456
Urban Shakedown - There Is No Other
Tronik House - Spark Plug
Shut Up and Dance - Dance Before the Police Come
Cool Hand Flex - Lock Me Up
New Era - New Era
Newton - One Time (Magpie Mix)
??? Sorry, I'll have to get back to you on this, but think it was on a Bristol based label
??? Again, I'm not sure, but I think the track's called 'Techno Dream', I just can't remember the artist or the label

Puffin Chunks

Quote from: thepuffpastryhangman on June 16, 2013, 09:22:24 AM

Errr, one tune I've never stumbled upon again was something I taped off a pirate radio station way back when. What I believe was a Joey Beltram remix of The KLF's Grim Up North.

Does it still exist? Did it ever?


That had me intrigued so I had a look around for it and can't find any reference to such a thing existing. Shame.

I'll chuck some more here that are notable by their absence:

Blame - Music Takes You (2 Bad Mice Remix)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_MyhM4vb3o

Edge 1 - Compounded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uop4jNg6xGc

Rhythm For Reasons - Grand National '93 (feat 4th Dimension)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_KHtj79v30

Tango - Time Bomb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inw3sdSSWmw



thepuffpastryhangman

RE: The non-existent tune.

As it seems certain it never did exist (I've not had the tape for over 20 years so can't check) I can only assume whoever the DJ was was mixing Grim Up North with some Beltram related track. He certainly mentioned "Beltram" at the time and I just assumed. I'd started recording the show during it and it was near the end of the show. It was on Rave FM in, in all likelihood, 1991.

Apologies for the incorrect assumption.

Quote from: thepuffpastryhangman on June 16, 2013, 09:22:24 AM

EDIT 2 - I've not noticed any Bizarre Inc mentioned here (I could easily have missed it) Playing With Knives is their absolute classic

This is a bit of fun that I used to play at the time Bizarre Inc - Knives Vs B52's - Planet Claire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeNQsvK5m4I

monkfromhavana

Quote from: Porridge on June 13, 2013, 08:27:00 PM
I think we all know this one (I know it's pre-hardcore, but it's still great): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjd5POJwn8o

Hypnosis is indeed a great tune, although the SL2 remix tended to get more air time in the hardcore era. Being a contrary bastard though I always preferred the B-side "Get Your Thing Together".

Psychotropic were quite big in that grey period between 80s breakbeat based tunes and hardcore.

Psychotropic - Get Your Thing Together
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzHg-zEE2nE

monkfromhavana

Quote from: thepuffpastryhangman on June 16, 2013, 09:10:37 AM
I went to Quadrant Park in 1991. It'd got a bit dangerous by then. There were was a corridor at the entrance made of heavy duty metal mesh stuff, apparently there'd been some Mancs coming over and kicking off. It wasn't packed but still pretty good. Oceanic were on as the Live PA. I think it's fair to say we were all "jump up crew" during Insanity. The tune drags you along but doesn't stand the test of time that well. Her singing for a start is terrible.

(I've not read the whole thread so there may be some treats in store but...) I find it odd that so little footage appears to exist of nights/events from 1990/91. There were people with video cameras walking around quite often but I'm yet to set any prolonged decent quality footage of an event (not that I've looked that hard but should I need to?) Older and sadder I may be but I actually do want to see footage of people (ideally me) trying to get served at the bar at Shelleys (soft drink of course) and having to edge my way between people's legs. Not because I'm short in stature but because the bar is full of people energetically dancing on it.

Some good info on Quadrant Park, I think the vibe changed when the owners opened up the massive back room as an extension to the original club against the wishes of the coppers and the local council. The venue got a lot bigger and probably harder to control.

There are quite a lot of vids on YT from 1990-1991- check a guy out called Deeman90 who puts up a lot of stuff.

N-Joi @ Raindance 1990
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXb5xFKnuns

Raindance 1990
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU4rgdnpWlg

Amnesia House @ Sky Blue Connexion (Coventry) 1990 (This was the first rave video I ever owned!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk3amFUCzdk

and just for you Puffpastry

Shelleys documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5tbDkbsfv4

monkfromhavana

Quote from: thepuffpastryhangman on June 16, 2013, 09:22:24 AM


EDIT 2 - I've not noticed any Bizarre Inc mentioned here (I could easily have missed it) Playing With Knives is their absolute classic but they did few decent tunes, including this TOTP performance of Such A Feeling. I HAVE SINCE NOTICED IMITATION LEATHER HAS ALREADY LINKED TO THIS. SOZ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjdVvdjslVQ

And why not link to Playing with Knives, it is their masterpiece after all.

lhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLlvYaCZ8Vc Glenn Gould they aint but nonetheless sorted with this number.

Can't believe there's no link to Xpansions, a tune I've often bigged up here o'er the years. (Maybe I missed that link too?) Anyway, I think this probably encapsulates, more than any one other single tune, what it seemed to be about...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ywo5WUNyU


Here's a good interview with Andy from Bizarre Inc. Loads of little tidbits.
http://www.djhistory.com/interviews/andrew-meecham

As for Xpansions, I've been chattign to the guy who made it (Richie Malone) on Facebook for a few years now. He's a really sound guy and still makes his living from music (more commercial RnB & Hip-Hop/house)

monkfromhavana

Quote from: Puffin Chunks on June 16, 2013, 09:44:09 PM
Finally... I'm going to show this thread a bit more love.

I decided to take it upon myself to mix all the tracks suggested in this thread for easy consumption, and because it seemed like an interesting challenge. I was going to do a mix for each page, but with just the first page clocking in at over 4 hours, I decided to take a change of tack and split them into CD length mixes... As you can imagine, there were a few challenges with having the tracks pre-selected for me, but that was all part of the fun.

So without further ado I present Verbcore - The First Page - Vol. 1.


Great stuff! I've linked your mixloud page on B2VOS so you might get a few DLs and comments from there too.

monkfromhavana

Some more tunes (I can't remember what i've posted so apologies for any duplicates:

DMS - Love Overdose (Remix)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdWWMugpRV8

Interface - Questions     (Top Blade Runner sampling!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2xXywixij0

Subway - Alive & Kickin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg7n_YKyQQQ

Sub-Love - Change My Ways

One of the greatest rave acts of all-time - ignore the massive cheesy rock guitar solo at the start. Sounds like The Prodigy 2 years before Music For The Jilted Generation. The vocal at 2.20 always finishes me off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfcrwmSIRUI

Emotions & Experiences - Theme (E + E

thepuffpastryhangman

#141
Quote from: monkfromhavana on June 22, 2013, 01:55:43 PM

Shelleys documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5tbDkbsfv4

Ha. That girl from around 8:20 is hilarious. The clip just before of the funfair in the background, oh yes.

I remember being at something, I can't remember what, a one-off event, the first I'd seen with a fairground and they had a ride, i think it's called a Rotor. it's basically a circle with lots of individual cages around the outside, it spins and then gets raised up on an arm, so rather than looking across you end up looking up and down. Folks were just climbing out the cages, no one checked they were locked, it was indeed mental.

And another time, at Aston Villa leisure centre there was indoor dodgers, you got as long as you wanted basically, then stopped occasionally but you could stay in. I perfected driving backwards. Most coordinated I've ever been.

Not much crowd footage on most clips, but here (I'm only a few minutes in, seems to be full of it)

Time at the Ragmarket '91

[EDIT 2 _ There's some excellent sounds on both the clips. Great on floor shots too. I started thinking I'd give a year of my life to have that night (or any or many) again. It wouldn't be fair on the nipper though]

I was there, hope I'm on a clip! It went on until noon, massive event.

Ahhh, I see there's a T2 one too. Oh good.

EDIT - Which reminds me. At either that event, or the other one The Eclipse held at the same place, I lost my memory. it began with not knowing how I'd got there. Then I couldn't remember anything since I'd come home from a school aged about 8. But I was utterly content in my ignorance. I was ok in the morning o' course.

Puffin Chunks

#142
That Xpansions track is painfully commercial, but I do love it. The strings just get me every time.

One of my favourite Prodigy tracks (along with Pandemonium)

The Prodigy - Android
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybm8s0DFeB0

2 Bad Mice - Hold It Down - Great sampling of The Emotions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8hdcIcpJzM

Congress - 40 Miles (Instrumental). Absolute Piano Breaks classic. On the housey side, but I'd say that the break makes it Hardcore, and I heard it dropped in hardcore sets enough back in the day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDtOhm0s2Hw

Oaysis - Heaven (DJ SS Remix). More piano break hardcore. The DJ SS Remix was waaay better than the original imho.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lpEhmUSXxc

5 pages and no Ratpack? That needs rectifying. Ratpack always did great sets, although nearly all of his productions were unashamedly derivative. That said, hardly a set seemed to go by without one of his tracks getting dropped. I guess the most obvious one would be

Ratpack - Searchin' For My Rizla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHHwoKZvIMQ


I downloaded a load of hardcore and rave compilations recently, including the old Hit the Decks series. I don't know if they had much underground cred at the time -- two of Jive Bunny's Mastermixers contributed to all three volumes -- although the fact that the likes of Slipmatt & Lime and Krome & Time pitched up to contribute mixes to the third one suggests that maybe they did, just a little, or at least that they were willing to throw around a bit of cash by that point to get some better-known DJs to take part. Still, they're certainly a nice little snapshot of the era. I've linked to the second volume just because there are a shit-ton of tracks I recognise from Jesus on Es.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7f_kXajpF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eibKSbNYGM8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqXrFwEctwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsO0ct3SFk0

monkfromhavana

Quote from: Puffin Chunks on June 23, 2013, 11:36:17 AM


5 pages and no Ratpack? That needs rectifying. Ratpack always did great sets, although nearly all of his productions were unashamedly derivative. That said, hardly a set seemed to go by without one of his tracks getting dropped. I guess the most obvious one would be


These days The Ratpack have almost zero credibility amongst the more discerning old skool lovers. They've pretty much played the same set for the past 15 years, same tunes, same order, same mixing, same MCing. Even back in the day they were seen as more of pop-rave DJing style act, as opposed to the likes of Top Buzz, Easygroove, Carl Cox etc.

Porridge

Quote from: monkfromhavana on June 22, 2013, 01:47:53 PM
Hypnosis is indeed a great tune, although the SL2 remix tended to get more air time in the hardcore era. Being a contrary bastard though I always preferred the B-side "Get Your Thing Together".

Psychotropic were quite big in that grey period between 80s breakbeat based tunes and hardcore.

Psychotropic - Get Your Thing Together
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzHg-zEE2nE

Thanks I like it; In fact, I've been fond of all the Psychotropic tracks that I've heard. I also think the SL2 remix of Hypnosis is good, but I find it a bit difficult to listen to their stuff these days since I found out that Slipmatt's been going to some effort to remove all his solo stuff as well as the SL2 tracks from YouTube for copyright reasons. It seems a bit cunty given that loads of hardcore tracks were produced using illegal samples. 

Whilst I'm here I'll link to this, Tic Tac Toe - 456 (Remix). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR9nxzjW3M8
As a point of interest, it was produced by someone who later went on to become a member of Basement Jaxx.

Uncle TechTip

Will there ever again be a youth movement which leads to such an outpouring of energy as what can be seen in these rave vids?

Porridge

Quote from: Uncle TechTip on June 24, 2013, 02:08:31 PM
Will there ever again be a youth movement which leads to such an outpouring of energy as what can be seen in these rave vids?

I doubt it. Have you seen any footage of recent 'raves'? It's depressing to see, and invariably shows a handful of people huddled round a bank of speakers, clutching cans of Stella and looking lethargic. Here's a typical example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vaarzqhd4Q

monkfromhavana

Quote from: Porridge on June 24, 2013, 01:58:01 PM
Thanks I like it; In fact, I've been fond of all the Psychotropic tracks that I've heard. I also think the SL2 remix of Hypnosis is good, but I find it a bit difficult to listen to their stuff these days since I found out that Slipmatt's been going to some effort to remove all his solo stuff as well as the SL2 tracks from YouTube for copyright reasons. It seems a bit cunty given that loads of hardcore tracks were produced using illegal samples. 


Him & Lime are being wankers. It's one thing them asking people to take down SL2 tunes (which they re-up on their own channel), but it's another thing taking down people's channels. They're doing it because they want the (miniscule) ad revenue from YT, even though you can apparently get ad revenue from anyone's channel who uploads stuff if you can prove that you own the copyright to the tune in the video. It's a bit too heavy-handed for my liking, especially as Slipmatt is one of the more honest and approachable "big names".

monkfromhavana

Quote from: Uncle TechTip on June 24, 2013, 02:08:31 PM
Will there ever again be a youth movement which leads to such an outpouring of energy as what can be seen in these rave vids?

I'd like to think so, but I can't see where it would come from. The late 80s/early 90s had that magic mix of the right drug, the right music and all at the right time. Individually people might experience the same thing now to Dubstep or whatever, but as for doing it en masse, I doubt it.

Check this vid put together by Nicky Dungeons/ Footage from the 80s put together with a megamix of tunes. I want to work for the "Acid House Unit"!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKcah7GHO4g