(actual) Obscene Films

[Noodle Lizard]

Just a thread to discuss and share info on some of those truly fucked up movies that have developed little cult followings.  I'm not talking "oh that fire extinguisher scene in 'Irréversible' was a bit much", I'm talking more about films like the 'August Underground' or 'Guinea Pig' series, that kind of jazz - the stuff that truly has no place outside of a neckbeard's DVD collection.  I suppose we could also extend it to include some of those shock clips that circulate the internet, why not.

I'm not really a "fan" of this kind of stuff, but I'm definitely fascinated by it.  I'm aware I may well be the only one pissing into the wind here, though.

[checkoutgirl]

I'm aware I may well be the only one pissing into the wind here, though.

Good, that will save some time.

[Don_Preston]

I've never seen anything I'd class as obscene, so I won't be any help at all. Wikipedia did lead me to an interview with Fred Vogel, the bloke behind August Underground and Toetag Productions. He seems pleasant enough.

http://www.atrocitiescinema.com/interviews/fredvogel.html

[Don_Preston]

I'm aware I may well be the only one pissing into the wind here, though.

Got a camera?

[Danger Man]

I'm not really a "fan" of this kind of stuff, but I'm definitely fascinated by it.

As Chris Langham said to the bishop.

Sadly, Morbid Curiosity isn't an actual legal defence so you'll have to be careful here.

I've seen some terrible things and I can't decide if I want the scars removed from my brain or acknowledge that I was always going to have a look anyway and just accept the 'damage'.

[biggytitbo]

...I've seen some terrible things...

I don't think it was that bad - http://youtu.be/Pi7BNcBVzdw?t=5m1s

[Danger Man]

Lightweight.

I'm talking (NSFW)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OlLjqnX_GU  here.

[Obel]

I've heard a lot of horror stories about this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1420558/?ref_=sr_2

Though I haven't seen it myself. I think I broke through the barrier of extreme movies and now I'm utterly desensitized. I don't want to try and push it further at least.

[Noodle Lizard]

As Chris Langham said to the bishop.

Sadly, Morbid Curiosity isn't an actual legal defence so you'll have to be careful here.

Just to clarify, none of these films are illegal (in the sense that it's all fake).  They may well have been banned if they'd ever been submitted for classification, but most of them haven't as far as I know.

[Noodle Lizard]

I've heard a lot of horror stories about this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1420558/?ref_=sr_2

Though I haven't seen it myself. I think I broke through the barrier of extreme movies and now I'm utterly desensitized. I don't want to try and push it further at least.

Yes, that's one I was going to mention.  Sounds a bit full-on, doesn't it?  I have seen another film by the same director, 'Cannibal' (about the Armin Miewes story), and that was certainly hard-going.  So much so that I probably wouldn't watch it again.  With me, anyway, I'm more or less okay with any amount of blood and gore, but I'm quite easily squicked by vomit and (actual) shit.  Don't know what that says about me, but there's plenty of all of that in 'Cannibal' and I hear there's much more in 'Angel's Melancholy', so I'll need to wait until a convenient time to watch it (i.e. a time where I won't need to eat for the rest of the week).

[Noodle Lizard]

I've never seen anything I'd class as obscene, so I won't be any help at all. Wikipedia did lead me to an interview with Fred Vogel, the bloke behind August Underground and Toetag Productions. He seems pleasant enough.

http://www.atrocitiescinema.com/interviews/fredvogel.html

From what I gather, he's a pretty ordinary dude and very pleasant to his fans.  The films, however, encompass neither of those qualities.  'Mordum' is particularly grim, though upon rewatching it's actually quite silly.

[BlodwynPig]

"From the eyes of a bot fly" is prettttty full-on.

[Danger Man]

Surely knowing that 'It's only a movie' means that you can never really be upset by watching something?

Having said that, I didn't enjoy watching Divine eating dog shit in Pink Flamingoes.

[Noodle Lizard]

Surely knowing that 'It's only a movie' means that you can never really be upset by watching something?

Having said that, I didn't enjoy watching Divine eating dog shit in Pink Flamingoes.

Well, yeah, but that doesn't take away something's power to be disturbing or viscerally upsetting.  2Girls1Cup was most likely fake, but no one can be blamed for being put off chocolate for a while afterwards.

[acrow]

the august underground series is a favourite of mine. it's hard to say i enjoy them but i think that's the point. i've watched all three many times and own multiple copies of each. i even own one of the original vhs copies of the first film which takes pride of place in my fucked up films collection. when people talk about them online the reactions seem to be split between "holy shit" and "what a pointless nasty stupid piece of shit". i hear people say that there is no story. there's a line in mordum though, where one of the characters says to another, in the midst of all the mutilation, rape, and torture, "you're just like dad." there's clearly a story there. the characters are so hideous and so fucked up and wondering why is half the fun. i've met the whole toetag team at horror conventions and they're all incredibly nice people. i really like some of their non august underground films too.

other films i can think of that haven't been mentioned which would definitely fall into this category of sick sick shit:

the vomit gore trilogy directed by lucifer valentine comprising slaughtered vomit dolls, regoregitated sacrifice, and slow torture puke chamber. these films are really fucked up and contain many actual scenes of vomiting, the director's fetish. they're also gory as hell in parts. personally i find them and the director to be horribly pretentious. the first two films were also not very interesting at all. the third one i thought actually had some interesting stuff though. i don't have any plans to watch these again although i do own all three on dvd.

the films of tamakichi anaru (anal). the most famous of these is niku daruma or tumbling doll of flesh. it starts out as a behind the scenes kind of thing at a porn shoot. then they show the porn film being made. it focuses quite heavily on bondage. and then the female star gets all hacked up. i've never seen the film with english subtitles. i'd like to though. i want to know what they're saying when signing a contract. anaru has made a few other films, all disgusting and sexual and violent. they've never been released outside of japan as far as i know.

there are a few more i can think of but i don't really have anything to say. i'm just listing films.

i do have a fascination with this sort of stuff but it's mostly because i just love film and this is a sick seedy part of film that most people don't (want to) watch.

[small_world]

Is it safe to say that I accidentally (truly) downloaded some awful material the other day (something hinted at up topic) and am now shitting myself. Expecting a knock on the door in the early hours.
It was via torrent and the file didn't completely download, but where I was expecting one single file, there were about 30... All... Well, yeah.
So, maybe I'll see you all on the inside.

[Noodle Lizard]

Stuff

Yes, I've heard of all of those.  I've avoided the 'Slaughtered Vomit Dolls' trilogy for reasons I've previously mentioned (plus I heard that they're rubbish).  Lucifer Valentine actually tried to shill them himself when I used to be a member on the Cradle of Filth forums back in my more gothy days and he sounded like a cunt (why not just say "I think puke is sexy and I made a film all about it"?)

I've seen most of 'Tumbling Doll Of Flesh' (I was watching it on a streaming site which then froze up, and didn't go out of my way to finish it), but I prefer the 'Guinea Pig' series as far as Japanese extreme stuff goes.  There was also that 'Grotesque' film that was famously banned in the UK, but that was shite.

[Noodle Lizard]

Is it safe to say that I accidentally (truly) downloaded some awful material the other day (something hinted at up topic) and am now shitting myself. Expecting a knock on the door in the early hours.
It was via torrent and the file didn't completely download, but where I was expecting one single file, there were about 30... All... Well, yeah.
So, maybe I'll see you all on the inside.

I'm almost disappointed that something like this has never happened to me, even back in my Limewire and Kazaa porn-downloading days.  I think the worst thing that happened in that regard was that I got a slideshow of Simpsons porn instead of a nice handjob scene once (which, to be honest, did kind of ruin 'The Simpsons' for me briefly).

I wouldn't worry about it, though.  That kind of shit turns up on 4chan all the time apparently and no one's been arrested for it.

[acrow]

Yes, I've heard of all of those.  I've avoided the 'Slaughtered Vomit Dolls' trilogy for reasons I've previously mentioned (plus I heard that they're rubbish).  Lucifer Valentine actually tried to shill them himself when I used to be a member on the Cradle of Filth forums back in my more gothy days and he sounded like a cunt (why not just say "I think puke is sexy and I made a film all about it"?)

I've seen most of 'Tumbling Doll Of Flesh' (I was watching it on a streaming site which then froze up, and didn't go out of my way to finish it), but I prefer the 'Guinea Pig' series as far as Japanese extreme stuff goes.  There was also that 'Grotesque' film that was famously banned in the UK, but that was shite.

yeah, valentine was well known for going round different forums and pimping his films.

you're definitely not missing out.

another guy who was a huge self-promoter on various forums was nick palumbo. his film murder set-pieces has some pretty extreme stuff (with effects from one of the toetag guys) but it's shit.

[Noodle Lizard]

another guy who was a huge self-promoter on various forums was nick palumbo. his film murder set-pieces has some pretty extreme stuff (with effects from one of the toetag guys) but it's shit.

Or 'Murder Shill Pieces' as it's now more affectionately known.

Yeah, that film didn't elicit a reaction from me one way or the other.  Just quite loud and annoying.  It's been a while, but I don't remember any of the effects being that good either, just a lot of blood.  Say what you will about the AU trilogy, but the effects are very impressive for a low-budget production.

[madhair60]

I bought all the Guinea Pigs up to Devil Woman Doctor on hooky VHS from a man who was shouting into his phone "no, I don't do that anymore, I'm out of the game".  Probably the best man I've ever financed.

[biggytitbo]

I've heard a lot of horror stories about this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1420558/?ref_=sr_2

Though I haven't seen it myself. I think I broke through the barrier of extreme movies and now I'm utterly desensitized. I don't want to try and push it further at least.

Return to Oz is worse IMHO.

[WesterlyWinds]

Why would you want to watch a hand job scene?

[Johnny Townmouse]

I have written on Mondo films and the mythology of snuff movies (in fact there was an academic conference on this subject just last year), and that has taken me down some dark paths. The worst, for me at least, is the footage of the Dagestan massacre which is a depressing and jaw-dropping killing of Russian teen soldiers by the Chechen militia. It is unrelentingly bleak.

After that A Serbian Film and the August films just seems ridiculous and childish, although I really admire the cinematography and performances in Human Centipede 2.

[Noodle Lizard]

I have written on Mondo films and the mythology of snuff movies (in fact there was an academic conference on this subject just last year), and that has taken me down some dark paths. The worst, for me at least, is the footage of the Dagestan massacre which is a depressing and jaw-dropping killing of Russian teen soldiers by the Chechen militia. It is unrelentingly bleak.

After that A Serbian Film and the August films just seems ridiculous and childish, although I really admire the cinematography and performances in Human Centipede 2.

Well yeah, because you're talking about genuine footage of real people being really killed as opposed to films.  Of course the former's worse than the latter.

They still haven't found any actual snuff movies, have they?  In the true definition of the word (i.e. a filmed murder for the purpose of sale).

[Tuesday]

I've seen most of 'Tumbling Doll Of Flesh' (I was watching it on a streaming site which then froze up, and didn't go out of my way to finish it), but I prefer the 'Guinea Pig' series as far as Japanese extreme stuff goes.  There was also that 'Grotesque' film that was famously banned in the UK, but that was shite.

I read somewhere that the Guinea Pig series was made by a horror company, so the focus is on the gore and the special effects, whereas Tumbling Doll of Flesh was made by a porn company. If this is true, it would explain the difference in tone and intention, and the unease people tend to have with the latter while the former is accepted amongst gore and horror fans (disregarding the Charlie Sheen incident).

I haven't heard of Angel's Melancholy. I feel like I've let myself down.

[biggytitbo]

Well yeah, because you're talking about genuine footage of real people being really killed as opposed to films.  Of course the former's worse than the latter.

They still haven't found any actual snuff movies, have they?  In the true definition of the word (i.e. a filmed murder for the purpose of sale).

Nope, not a single recorded incident I don't think. There's absolutely shit load of examples of killers filming their murders for their own pleasure though. I think the policeman in the Armin Miewes case had to have therapy after having. to watch the video he made of him killing and eating that man he met off the Internet.

[Lyfjaberg]

First: Rule 34. I tainted my brother's respect for Robocop with that one.

Second: this is the worst thing I have ever seen online -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo7aMjzF9t8.
I would assume that most people would find it extremely tame. However, the aftermath of the death is horrifying for its absolute realism (because it is real).

[Noodle Lizard]

Second: this is the worst thing I have ever seen online -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo7aMjzF9t8.
I would assume that most people would find it extremely tame. However, the aftermath of the death is horrifying for its absolute realism (because it is real).

I was watching that yesterday, as it happens.  I'd seen it before, but from an angle from which you don't really see the aftermath.  Pretty sad, considering everything.  There was some documentary about him I saw a while ago on YouTube which explained it all.

[Noodle Lizard]

Nope, not a single recorded incident I don't think. There's absolutely shit load of examples of killers filming their murders for their own pleasure though. I think the policeman in the Armin Miewes case had to have therapy after having. to watch the video he made of him killing and eating that man he met off the Internet.

Yeah, so I've heard.  The film 'Cannibal' is hard enough to watch without squirming (though I have to admit I giggled a bit at the penis-eating scene).

Then there's that tape these cunts made http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs which gets passed around on the net as '3 Guys 1 Hammer'.  I wouldn't advise anyone to watch it, I was "clinically fed up" for a week after and it annoys me that it's become just another one of those 2 Girls 1 Cup viral vids.