Author Topic: Lazy songwriting techniques  (Read 6320 times)

Kane Jones

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #120 on: April 25, 2013, 03:55:30 PM »
The Kiss video game was amazing as well

I'm not a gamer, but I heard it was excellent.

Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #121 on: April 25, 2013, 03:57:55 PM »
He's apparently had sex with over 4,000 women, so I guess money and power are a big aphrodisiac to some visually impaired people.

There.

Kane Jones

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #122 on: April 25, 2013, 04:01:34 PM »
There.

He's an ugly bastard, sure.  He's still got more money, sold more albums (100 million worldwide) and had more sex than you or I will ever have.  So I would imagine he's having the last laugh.

I can fully understand why you hate him though.  He's horrible.

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #123 on: April 25, 2013, 04:04:27 PM »
He should stop wearing that freaky make-up when he's not playing, though.

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #124 on: April 25, 2013, 07:41:55 PM »
Is that a wig Gene's wearing? Can I spy a tiny trace of gauze there?


My old pet hate was the usage of the twinkly mark tree percussive instrument on saccharine 1980's soul ballads to imply that romance is in the air.

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #125 on: April 26, 2013, 04:30:00 PM »
I love Kiss and although this is probably one of their worst/naffest songs, the hooks and pop songwriting sensibilities are there in spades. Paul Stanley is very competent at writing sing-along anthems, whether they're your thing or not.

You are Julian Cope, and I love your books.

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #126 on: April 26, 2013, 05:20:11 PM »
Yes, I get the whole metaphor thing, but my point is you can't even begin to build anything in the sky!!! The metaphor would have more credibility if it was something about building castles on, say, a flood plain. You could still build something, but it wouldn't last long.

Why do we persist in using prestressed concrete lintels when our main support beam should be the rolled steel joist?

Oh tell me why.

Kane Jones

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #127 on: April 26, 2013, 06:49:45 PM »
You are Julian Cope, and I love your books.

I'm incredibly flattered, although I'm sad to say you are incorrect on this occasion.

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #128 on: April 26, 2013, 06:51:11 PM »
Is that a wig Gene's wearing? Can I spy a tiny trace of gauze there?

I think Gene's been wearing a syrup since the late eighties, to be honest.

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #129 on: April 26, 2013, 06:51:48 PM »
Why do we persist in using prestressed concrete lintels when our main support beam should be the rolled steel joist?

Oh tell me why.

I would definitely buy that record.

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #130 on: May 01, 2013, 12:07:48 PM »
I would definitely buy that record.

Me too.

We just need a few more lines, then I can fire up a suitably fucked up backing track to sing over.

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #131 on: May 01, 2013, 12:26:08 PM »
Sounds like a natural candidate for a blues.

Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #132 on: May 01, 2013, 12:33:32 PM »
quietquietquiet*treadonpedal*LOUDLOUDLOUD

It was great when Slint did it but around the time of Mogwai's 2nd album it became so tedious.

The Roofdog

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #133 on: May 01, 2013, 12:40:19 PM »
Mogwai's 2nd album is nearly all quiet bits!

Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #134 on: May 01, 2013, 12:54:45 PM »
You need to turn it up a bit.

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #135 on: May 01, 2013, 11:38:53 PM »
quietquietquiet*treadonpedal*LOUDLOUDLOUD

<hangs head in shame, leaves thread>

On the other hand, there are no good songs that don't use this technique.
Not. A. Single. One.

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #136 on: May 02, 2013, 03:20:18 PM »
The fake ending.

Everything stops. Silence. Then ANOTHER CHORUS!!!

See 3.50 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecFPU--vvf0

Common for live versions[1].
 1. by cheesy stadium/arena rockers

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #137 on: May 02, 2013, 03:22:25 PM »
The fake ending.

Everything stops. Silence. Then ANOTHER CHORUS!!!

Not a fan of 'Make Me Smile (Come Up and See Me)' then?

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #138 on: May 02, 2013, 03:30:21 PM »
quietquietquiet*treadonpedal*LOUDLOUDLOUD

It was great when Slint did it but around the time of Mogwai's 2nd album it became so tedious.

Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwujU8nra2o

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #139 on: May 02, 2013, 03:57:23 PM »
Slint were (decades) late bandwagon jumpers:

The Stooges

Family

...and pick virtually any Pere Ubu album you care to (the first 5 + Terminal Tower anyways).

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #140 on: May 02, 2013, 04:23:04 PM »
Slint were (decades) late bandwagon jumpers:

The Stooges

Family

...and pick virtually any Pere Ubu album you care to (the first 5 + Terminal Tower anyways).

Blimey, NoSleep! Is there anyone who's taken an influence from an earlier artist that isn't a bandwagon jumper, in your opinion?

I mean, is it even possible to be a '(decades) late bandwagon jumper'? Surely that kind of lateness goes against the very definition of bandwagon jumping.

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #141 on: May 02, 2013, 04:24:48 PM »
So it's ok to say Mogwai are tedious, following in the shoes of Slint, but not that Slint were latecomers themselves? (I was joking whilst, hopefully, enlightening these youngsters who think Slint are veterans of dynamics).

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #142 on: May 02, 2013, 04:35:15 PM »
Most of this thread, including the Mogwai/Slint comment, is discussion of song arrangement, rather than songwriting techniques.

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #143 on: May 02, 2013, 04:53:51 PM »
So it's ok to say Mogwai are tedious, following in the shoes of Slint, but not that Slint were latecomers themselves? (I was joking whilst, hopefully, enlightening these youngsters who think Slint are veterans of dynamics).

Fair enough. I thought Slint and Mogwai's work was, at least in part, contemporaneous (which, to my mind, is necessary for a proper bandwagon jump) but it wasn't.

Most of this thread, including the Mogwai/Slint comment, is discussion of song arrangement, rather than songwriting techniques.

It's still part of the songwriting process, though, isn't it?

Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #144 on: May 02, 2013, 04:57:45 PM »
The Stooges were copying Beethoven's dynamics.

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #145 on: May 02, 2013, 05:03:24 PM »
The Stooges were copying Beethoven's dynamics.

Yes, that was my first thought too, but then I realised that Slint and Mogwai weren't contemporaries. So I guess that means that it's logically consistent to say that if Mogwai were jumping on Slint's bandwagon then Slint were jumping on The Stooges' bandwagon and The Stooges were jumping on Beethoven's bandwagon. Which was NoSleep's point, I believe.

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« Reply #146 on: May 02, 2013, 05:04:22 PM »
Good!

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #147 on: May 02, 2013, 05:21:21 PM »
I went to see Mogwai a few years back, and the wind-downs to their songs took so bloody long that even their fans were shouting "for fuck's sake get on with it!"

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #148 on: May 02, 2013, 05:59:43 PM »
The fake ending.

Everything stops. Silence. Then ANOTHER CHORUS!!!

Electric big band jazz man Don Ellis loved fake endings.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1VLVRRz4uM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Re: Lazy songwriting techniques
« Reply #149 on: May 02, 2013, 06:03:18 PM »
quietquietquiet*treadonpedal*LOUDLOUDLOUD

Something the brickwall re-mastering technique has done it's best to eradicate :

Smells like teen spirit - 1991 top, 2011 remaster bottom :


Idiots.