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Most overrated films of all time

Started by graffic, May 06, 2013, 02:47:45 PM

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I can move neither here nor there without the cast and production team of Goodfellas constantly stinking everything up with their cynical marketing of Goodfellas and all sorts of childish cyber-bullying efforts.  So I agree we should make anger towards them into a "trend" of some kind.  Come on lads!

Blumf

I prefer the 1932 Scarface, so nerr!

Kane Jones

Quote from: graffic on May 07, 2013, 02:22:35 PM
And I know I'm right about this.

:)

Quote from: graffic on May 07, 2013, 02:22:35 PM
It's  "17 year olds" in the bodies of grown men who think a story told by Ray Liotta about unrefined, Italian American social retards with borderline gypsy like social graces, shooting people, never reflecting on any of it, whilst women fawn over it  is a "masterpiece" and one of the best films ever made. 

The fact that it obviously makes you so angry is reason enough for the film to exist. It validates it for me.



Oh and P.S. You're a silly bell end. Ciao!

checkoutgirl

Quote from: nickopedia on May 06, 2013, 07:44:33 PM
Shawshank Redemption. Disgustingly average.

Too much redemption, not nearly enough shawshank.

Bryan Del Palma's The Scarrface's starring Al Brand-chino is well shit.

If I want Grand Theft Auto The Movie I'll call Ron Howard.

Kane Jones

Quote from: checkoutgirl on May 07, 2013, 02:53:09 PM
Too much redemption, not nearly enough shawshank.

Not that I'm defending the film, but isn't there about 3 minutes of redemption compared to what seems like 8 hours of Shawshank?

Famous Mortimer

Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on May 06, 2013, 08:43:14 PM
Rear Window - Not a bad film, but it's genuinely regarded as Hitchcock's best and I'm not sure I'd even have it as top 10 of his films.
Vertigo is regarded as his best, surely? Just won the Sight and Sound "greatest film of all time" poll and everything.

Johnny Townmouse


Famous Mortimer

Quote from: Johnny Townmouse on May 07, 2013, 04:55:55 PM
But...but...that's what I SAID.
If you want me to read your posts, then...er...make me less tired, so I pay more attention. I just quoted his post and it went on to a new page, didn't realise he'd already been replied to.



Johnny Townmouse

Quote from: Famous Mortimer on May 07, 2013, 04:58:05 PM
If you want me to read your posts, then...er...make me less tired, so I pay more attention. I just quoted his post and it went on to a new page, didn't realise he'd already been replied to.

I think you've learned your lesson enough.

Sony Walkman Prophecies

Almost all the Bergman stuff, though beautiful to look at, doesn't hold up to subsequent viewings. With all the domestic disputes taking place in these pokey little rooms, dipping back into Bergman's stuff often feels as pointless as rewatching an episode of Eastenders/Coronation Street.

I suppose the one exception is The Silence. Worth rewatching if only for the inventive tracking shots on the train. http://www.criterion.com/films/570-the-silence

Doomy Dwyer

I'm find it very difficult mustering the enthusiasm to watch films these days. S'all played out, innit? There are very few innovative story tellers left[nb]I'm referring predominantly to mainstream, Hollywood, USA/UK cinema. British film is fucking nauseating apart from 'Billy Liar', 'Withnail', 'Brighton Rock'[nb]Not the re-imagining.[/nb]and 'Nil By Mouth'.[/nb], commercial concerns and audience approval[nb]Any artiste worthy of the mantle should not give a solitary shit about audience approval. Bovine scum.[/nb] dominate, dictate and cripple the film making process and the actors all seem to be generic CGI model types who don't act. I haven't been to the cinema to see a new release for about five years[nb]This is not true.[/nb]. Plus, every cunt in the cinema is a fidgety phone fiddling noisy voiced cunt and it costs a fucking tenner to sit amongst these vermin. It's a load of bollocks from start to finish.

I realise most of my concerns are demonstrably untrue or have always been true, but cinema is dead to me. A bus just went past my window with an advert for 'Fast and Furious 6' on it. Fucking six. How did that happen?[nb]Because I live on the route of the 19 bus. I know. I'm speaking in broader, more philosophical terms.[/nb]

graffic, I think Goodfellas is great. Here is my list of Scorsesy films in order of my own personal enjoyment of them. I hope you enjoy it -

1. Taxi Driver.

2. Raging Bull.

3. Goodfellas.

4. The King of Comedy.

5. Mean Streets.

6. Casino.

7. Italianamerican.

8. Cape Fear. Yeah, yeah. I know.

9. There isn't a nine. He's been shit since 'Casino'. 'The Gangs of New York' is basically 'Titanic' for landlubbers. 'The Aviator' was shit, apart from Cate Blanchet. I liked 'The Departed' so that disproves my earlier point a bit, but never mind that. 1 and 2 are kind of liquid and interchangeable, depending on mood. I'm in a 'Taxi Driver' mood today.

'The Shawshank Redemption' has the emotional depth and resonance of a Lassie film. Isn't it the UK's favourite film? Fucking 'Angels' is our favourite song too, by all acounts. Please gas this island of cunts.

graffic

Quote from: Doomy Dwyer on May 07, 2013, 06:21:20 PM



graffic, I think Goodfellas is great. Here is my list of Scorsesy films in order of my own personal enjoyment of them. I hope you enjoy it -

1. Taxi Driver.

2. Raging Bull.

3. Goodfellas.

4. The King of Comedy.

5. Mean Streets.

6. Casino.

7. Italianamerican.

8. Cape Fear. Yeah, yeah. I know.


I think Raging Bull is also overrated. I agree with you about going to the cinema. My Scorcese list would be, out of the ones I've seen

1. Casino
2. Taxi Driver
3. Cape Fear
4. Raging Bull
4. Goodfella's
5. Gangs of New York
6. Shutter Island

Goodfella's is so low because although it is well shot and acted I agree with a New York film critic that the film is morally indefensible and one of the most nihilst, shit films I've ever seen. Cape Fear is a great film in my opinion. De Niro is good as the stalker.

chocky909

Quote from: graffic on May 07, 2013, 02:22:35 PM
A lot of posters on this forum have good taste and take on "trends" like the Ricky Gervais trend, and other trends. I don't see why the trend of Goodfella's shouldn't be taken on. And I know I'm right about this.

Goodfella's isn't just a shit overrated film like Scarface which is also unpleasant and greasy. Scarface does have a good ending and is entertaining. Goodfella's is scene after scene of nihilist, unrefined Italian Americans killing people without even entertaining the idea of reflecting on any of it. It's been described as the best American film ever made.

It's  "17 year olds" in the bodies of grown men who think a story told by Ray Liotta about unrefined, Italian American social retards with borderline gypsy like social graces, shooting people, never reflecting on any of it, whilst women fawn over it  is a "masterpiece" and one of the best films ever made.

Do you feel all films should have a positive message to be worthy of the term 'masterpiece'?

Equally, just because this film is praised by critics doesn't mean it is thought of as a guide to life or that all other films should be about the same subject matter. It works in context alongside other films made.

What's your perfect film graffic?

Nice touch with the apostrophe by the way.

Thomas

What's the problem with a film not pushing a moral message or framework? Or pushing a nihilistic one?

EDIT - No, yeah, chocky said it better.

Doomy Dwyer

Quote from: graffic on May 07, 2013, 06:27:35 PM

I think Raging Bull is also overrated.

This merely confirms what I suspected. You are a buffoon.

Quote from: graffic on May 07, 2013, 06:27:35 PM

I agree with you about going to the cinema.

Although not without a modicum of merit.




graffic

#76
Quote from: chocky909 on May 07, 2013, 06:29:30 PM
Do you feel all films should have a positive message to be worthy of the term 'masterpiece'?

Equally, just because this film is praised by critics doesn't mean it is thought of as a guide to life or that all other films should be about the same subject matter. It works in context alongside other films made.

Quote from: Thomas on May 07, 2013, 06:30:11 PM
What's the problem with a film not pushing a moral message or framework? Or pushing a nihilistic one?

Goodfella's isn't artistic nihilism. Getting kicks out of watching that type of nihilsm and violence is a sad reflection on society. Some exploitation films that are "immoral" are very entertaining. The Rise of the Foot Soldier is an entertaining exploitation film. All of the characters in it are wankers but it is very entertaining.

El Unicornio, mang

Quote from: Famous Mortimer on May 07, 2013, 04:54:46 PM
Vertigo is regarded as his best, surely? Just won the Sight and Sound "greatest film of all time" poll and everything.

I was going by imdb rating (probably not a good idea)

El Unicornio, mang

Quote from: Noodle Lizard on May 07, 2013, 12:23:00 PM
I don't think any of them are terrible, but I'm instantly suspicious of the taste of anyone who says they're their favourite films.  See also 'The Godfather', 'Scarface' etc.

Why is The Godfather being a favourite film 'laughable'? It (and part II) are as perfect as cinema gets.

Don't get how Shawshank is "schmaltzy" either. It's two hours of dark, nasty brutalization with occasional glimpses of light and humour, and then a wonderful feeling of joy and escape at the end.

Kane Jones

#79
Quote from: graffic on May 07, 2013, 06:39:02 PM
Goodfella's isn't artistic nihilism. Getting kicks out of watching that type of nihilsm and violence is a sad reflection on society. Some exploitation films that are "immoral" are very entertaining. The Rise of the Foot Soldier is an entertaining exploitation film. All of the characters in it are wankers but it is very entertaining.

Rise Of The Foot Soldier is fucking awful, mindless, disgusting shit.  Goodfellas is immoral but highly entertaining. All the characters are wankers but are still entertaining.

What a surprise, my opinion is the exact opposite of yours.

acrow

scorzece has spoken before about being around characters like those you see in goodfella's as a child. he's said that this helps him see these characters as human beings, but that this doesn't override the horrible things they do.

this is not a response to graffic because he's an idiot and doesn't understand if a film doesn't say CRIMINALS ARE BAD .

graffic

Quote from: Kane Jones on May 07, 2013, 07:01:57 PM
Rise Of The Foot Soldier is fucking awful, mindless, disgusting shit.  Goodfellas is immoral but highly entertaining. All the characters are wankers but are still entertaining.

What a surprise, my opinion is the exact opposite to yours.

Rise of the footsoldier is awful if you take it at face value, however the facial expressions of the main character who looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp and the general tone of the film makes it hard to see it like that. In parts it's laugh out loud funny in an unintentional way. It's an entertaining exploitation film.

I think you are an idiot if you think goodfella's is a nihilistic form of art.

graffic

Quote from: acrow on May 07, 2013, 07:18:28 PM
this is not a response to graffic because he's an idiot and doesn't understand if a film doesn't say CRIMINALS ARE BAD .

Why should there be any moral relativism or anything artistic about crime? Crime is bad whatever culture you are from and whatever corner of the earth you are from. Why should moralism be inferior to some cynical glamourising of crime because it claims to be art. It's not art. 

The characters in Goodfella's only care about blood and money and don't ever entertain the possibility of reflecting on any of it. Claiming that is "art" is the same unpleasantness when comedians like Ricky Gervais defend being genuinely nasty because "it's just a joke". It's trying to pretend to the plebian masses that something that is poorly expressed  is "art" which is wrong because art is supposed to be the highest form of expression.

Kane Jones

Quote from: graffic on May 07, 2013, 07:22:31 PM
I think you are an idiot if you think goodfella's is a nihilistic form of art.

It's 'Goodfellas'. No apostrophe.

I'm not the idiot here, mate.

Thomas

Quote from: graffic on May 07, 2013, 07:29:53 PM
Crime is bad whatever culture you are from and whatever corner of the earth you are from.

No, crime is illegal. 'Bad' is a completely subjective term that might or might not be agreed with, regardless of location. Some stuff that is now generally deemed 'fine' used to be illegal.

Quote from: graffic on May 07, 2013, 07:29:53 PM
art is supposed to be the highest form of expression.

Can still have nasty fictional characters, can't it? Some paintings are pretty grim.

zomgmouse

Some of the "classics" from the Old Hollywood period are films that I feel have just been coasting on a name; such films as The Maltese Falcon and The Philadelphia Story seem kind of... well, regular is the word. They're fine films and all, but I fail to see what it is about them that has led to them attracting the label "classic". It's just that they've got celebrities in them - sort of the equivalent of today's Inception (incidentally, most things Christopher Nolan has produced are sorely overrated, and might I add not without his aid - they're standard films posturing as Serious Cinema with all the low soundtracks and scowling that it's almost understandable that people latch onto them as Serious Cinema) or that film with all the stars in it who are in a love triangle... you know...

Also, there's Reservoir Dogs. Average, amateurish and glorified beyond belief. And Schindler's List. Oh, and Oldboy. And the original Star Wars trilogy.

I think also that what constitutes an "overrated" film is one whose merits are unknowingly exaggerated by people who genuinely believe a film to be better than it is (or better than you find it, anyway). But when a film's loved by the majority of people, how do you argue with that without sounding like a haughty wankbucket? Maybe the tension caused by thinking you'll sound like a haughty wankbucket for denouncing a film as overrated is the deciding factor?

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Quote from: Doomy Dwyer on May 07, 2013, 06:21:20 PM
Plus, every cunt in the cinema is a fidgety phone fiddling noisy voiced cunt and it costs a fucking tenner to sit amongst these vermin. It's a load of bollocks from start to finish.

Never a truer word spoken.  Plus they are incapable of planning their evening sufficiently so that they aren't guzzling their stupid noisy lunch for all to hear (apparently grown adults eating children's snacks as a meal, no less), and not content to use up the entire armrest they allow their elbows to jab around like they're looking for treasure in your sides.

Fuck them all.

Johnny Townmouse

Quote from: zomgmouse on May 08, 2013, 12:49:08 PM
Also, there's Reservoir Dogs. Average, amateurish and glorified beyond belief. And Schindler's List. Oh, and Oldboy. And the original Star Wars trilogy.

Well, hang on a minute. I'll give you Oldboy, with its terrible broadness and unsatisfying twist (particularly as he failed to build on the mystery and intriguing qualities of Sympathy for Mr Vengeance), but Reservoir Dogs is a wonderfully constructed piece of low-budget filmmaking with a cracking script. If Tarantino had died after that film, we would be assuming that he could have become of the greatest film directors of contemporary American history (which I think he has failed to do).

I remember seeing Reservoir Dogs before it's official release - it didn't even have a proper poster - and it just seemed fresh and remarkably competent piece of filmmaking. The performances are great.




Lisa Jesusandmarychain

How do those Goodfellas types 'care about blood', as Graffic said in his erudite comments a few posts back? Are they all keen blood donors? If so,they probably only do it for the tea and biscuits afterwards, the nihilist buggers.

Lisa Jesusandmarychain

Hey, tell you waht I'll bung in here, the film "Baise Moi". Was that *really* considered an 'arthouse' film by anyone in the entire world at the time? Really? It's a porno with pretensions (and blood and suitably porno-level acting, and appalling dialogue). Absolute drivel, although the scene where they
Spoiler alert
shoot up an entire club full of swingers  for a daft laugh, then make that feller squeal like a pig and shoot him right up where Moby Dick got the harpoon
[close]
is quite amusing.

Dunno, if it counts as overrated though, maybe it got quite a few pannings at the time.Laughably bad film, though.