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Jony Ive shrunk the OS

Started by HappyTree, May 30, 2013, 02:44:35 AM

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Milo

Quote from: MojoJojo on September 20, 2013, 09:42:39 AM

It's more annoying with iplayer app, which does it[nb] or it did anyway, haven't tried recently[/nb] while listening to radio because it's just treated the same as video.

They released a separate radio app recently which takes care of that. Was always silly.

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Quote from: katzenjammer on September 20, 2013, 11:07:01 AM
The facetime icon looks like a farting suitcase

It's pointless, as well.  All it does is indiscriminately open up your entire contacts list, as it is unaware of who does and doesn't have facetime.  There's already a "Contacts" icon on my main screen, from which I can phone, text and facetime people.  So I've buried that redundant green facetime icon in my "Networking" folder along with the offensively unfathomable "Find Friends".

Steven

Quote from: MojoJojo on September 20, 2013, 09:42:39 AM
It's not really a technical issue as such, more a UI thing. The problem is you are watching a video (even if you are only interested in the sound), so when you turn the screen off it pauses the video, because you can't watch a video with the screen off. It's being helpful, just it's not actually helpful in this case.

It's more annoying with iplayer app, which does it[nb] or it did anyway, haven't tried recently[/nb] while listening to radio because it's just treated the same as video.

That's the problem, how can it differentiate between flash audio and flash video? It can't, so they should have put at least some option to toggle how it reacts to playing media when the screen goes off, Android does that for most other stuff.. should WiFi stay on or not, what default program should start for a media type etc. That's the advantage of Android is how customisable it is, but they need to at least put the option there somewhere, even if it is buried in some menu somewhere. Thankfully Floating Browser fixes the problem, but it's a buggy mess and crashes or freezes sometimes.

mcbpete

There's a workaround using this app - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nbondarchuk.android.keepscn&hl=en
Though definitely not ideal (certainly if away from home/charging source)

Ignatius_S

As Android is the main topic in the other iOS 7 thread, is there any chance that discussion about it could be there rather than here so we can keep discussion about farting suitcases pure?

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Quote from: Steven on September 20, 2013, 01:07:28 PM
That's the problem, how can it differentiate between flash audio and flash video? It can't, so they should have put at least some option to toggle how it reacts to playing media when the screen goes off, Android does that for most other stuff.. should WiFi stay on or not, what default program should start for a media type etc. That's the advantage of Android is how customisable it is, but they need to at least put the option there somewhere, even if it is buried in some menu somewhere. Thankfully Floating Browser fixes the problem, but it's a buggy mess and crashes or freezes sometimes.

Will Flash continue in the long term?  Apple have always been quite stubborn about not supporting it, and maybe Android have problems with it too?

Steven

Quote from: Replies From View on September 20, 2013, 01:27:01 PM
Will Flash continue in the long term?  Apple have always been quite stubborn about not supporting it, and maybe Android have problems with it too?

It's all going html5 isn't it?

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I thought I'd do this, to show two things:  firstly that in order to create the "parallax" effect they indiscriminately zoom into your carefully-framed wallpaper (which is a bit shit), and secondly because publicity for iOS 7 never shows the new colourful icons in the context of less garish third-party apps.  Also because I reckon the standard wallpapers are ghastly, so you should be more like me and use sepia Laurel and Hardy images to make your phone look less like a Fisherprice playset.

 

 

The blue dot next to Citymapper on the iOS 7 version means I haven't opened it since it was updated.  Normally the whole word is still visible.

Blumf

You've got an opportunity with that parallax effect. When you get round to re-cropping the image, you can add a little thing off the side which only shows up when you swipe...


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I must say that I think the transition to iOS 7 works a lot better on the iPhone than the iPad.  Something about the way all the icons are so spread out on the iPad makes each one a lot more visible, and you become a lot more aware of the minimal and garish nature of them than on the phone where they are more collected together.

This wouldn't be a problem, except that for me and presumably many people an iPad is seen more as a low-end laptop than a scaled-up phone (even though its operating system has more in common with phones than laptops).  Whereas the first screen of my phone is all socialising applications, on my iPad my first screen is filled with things like Evernote, Pages, Adobe Reader, a dictionary and other work-related writing and researching things.  I want to concentrate on work when I use my iPad, and the new colours for things like Mail and Safari which are rooted to the bottom don't help me do that - they make me think of socialising or mucking about with games.  Even Evernote has gone a brighter shade of green in iOS 7, and the new Kindle icon looks oversaturated and unwelcoming.

If they're really committed to this particular colour palette with the iPhone then they really ought to think about having separate versions of iOS for the iPhone and iPad.  The latter's icons should overlap more with the standard Mac OS, basically, like they did in iOS 6.

falafel

I expect the next Mac OS will be heading this way, though.

biggytitbo

Quote from: Replies From View on September 20, 2013, 02:03:44 PM
I thought I'd do this, to show two things:  firstly that in order to create the "parallax" effect they indiscriminately zoom into your carefully-framed wallpaper (which is a bit shit), and secondly because publicity for iOS 7 never shows the new colourful icons in the context of less garish third-party apps.  Also because I reckon the standard wallpapers are ghastly, so you should be more like me and use sepia Laurel and Hardy images to make your phone look less like a Fisherprice playset.

 

 

The blue dot next to Citymapper on the iOS 7 version means I haven't opened it since it was updated.  Normally the whole word is still visible.


Hahah iphone 4 loserrr.

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You're just jealous of my Laurel and Hardy wallpaper.

Ignatius_S

Looks like my battery problems are hardware-related – I ran a diagnostic tool (via Apple's website) that indicated this. After speaking to telephone support yesterday, they said they will either replace the battery or the handset

HappyTree

That silhouette in the Contacts icon. Can you get one that's not of Vanilla Ice? Or is he like MySpace Tom?

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Quote from: HappyTree on September 24, 2013, 12:12:50 AM
That silhouette in the Contacts icon. Can you get one that's not of Vanilla Ice? Or is he like MySpace Tom?





Is it the hair?

mothman

One thing I've noticed... I'd updated all my apps just before I upgraded to iOS 7. Yet the other day App Store was saying I had 9 updates. I went into AS, and it said everything was up-to-date. And the red '9' vanished. Today I had a red '10' - same thing. Anyone else seen this?

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Is it updating automatically?

olliebean

As often as not the last few days, iTunes - both on my iPod touch and on Windows - has been saying all my apps are up to date when I know for a fact they aren't. It definitely hasn't been working right.

Artemis

Choosing 'automatic updates' is one of the first things I switched off. I don't fancy a game over 1gb big trying to download while I'm on the go, cheers.

Ignatius_S

Quote from: Artemis on September 25, 2013, 01:09:17 AM
Choosing 'automatic updates' is one of the first things I switched off. I don't fancy a game over 1gb big trying to download while I'm on the go, cheers.

Updating via cellular data is turned off by default. To turn it on, you select the options in the iTunes and App Store section in settings, where you turned off the other options.

olliebean

Quote from: Artemis on September 25, 2013, 01:09:17 AM
Choosing 'automatic updates' is one of the first things I switched off. I don't fancy a game over 1gb big trying to download while I'm on the go, cheers.

Another thing I don't fancy is an automatic update where the change is stated as "limit available levels." (I did update this, out of curiosity, once I had completed the available levels, and discovered that a whole free level pack had magically transformed into an IAP with the update.)

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Quote from: olliebean on September 25, 2013, 12:40:49 PM
Another thing I don't fancy is an automatic update where the change is stated as "limit available levels." (I did update this, out of curiosity, once I had completed the available levels, and discovered that a whole free level pack had magically transformed into an IAP with the update.)

Yes, I've been surprised by things like that, too.  I always like to check the reviews when I am uncertain about an update.  A previously 5-star app can often have all one-stars for a new update, with people complaining for example that they now have adverts despite paying to have them removed.  I had a paid-for chess application a while ago that suddenly had adverts put into it, with the company offering a separate "Pro" version of chess without adverts that had to be paid for all over again.  It's just not on, really.

When Apple announced with fanfare that updates to apps would now take place automatically, I wondered whether I was living on a parallel earth.  I can't see the point from the user's point of view.

Ignatius_S

Quote from: Replies From View on September 25, 2013, 01:39:30 PM...When Apple announced with fanfare that updates to apps would now take place automatically, I wondered whether I was living on a parallel earth.  I can't see the point from the user's point of view.

I suspect a fair bit behind it was large number of users not updating apps regularly and not doing so out of a conscious effort (i.e. they were choosing not to update). Also, some apps update regularly mainly through bug fixes so I can see the point of those updating automatically.

It's not something I would choose to use myself, and personally feel a system where maintenance updates (e.g. bug fixes) were automatically allowed, but larger changes had to be agreed by users would be more useful.

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Quote from: Ignatius_S on September 25, 2013, 02:16:51 PM
I suspect a fair bit behind it was large number of users not updating apps regularly and not doing so out of a conscious effort (i.e. they were choosing not to update).

Yes.  Automatic updating feels like an addition that's intended for developers and for Apple rather than users themselves.  Yet the way they've listed it so keenly amongst the other iOS 7 changes suggests either that they believe users will love it, or that they're testing out how readily users will swallow stuff that's in bold, bright text, regardless of content.

olliebean

I feel like any update (especially an auto-update) to a paid app that removes any content or features or adds advertising ought to mean instant eligibility for a full no-quibble refund.

I wonder as well if the new auto-update feature is related to updates not showing up as mentioned by mothman and myself a few posts back. Wouldn't be the first time Apple had released a new feature without making sure it works properly first (*cough* iTunes Match, Apple Maps).

mothman

Since my above post the App Store icon hasn't reported any phantom updates. However it hasn't reported any at all - until I deliberately opened it just now and only then did I get a list of 11 - 11! - apps needing updates.

This is on my iPad. Same deal on my iPhone but only two to update. That said, I've updated the phone but not pad to 7.0.2.

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I'm not having the same problem with app updates.

The autocorrect when typing appears to have gone a bit fucked though, especially when words feature apostrophes, whereupon the possessive "s" gets shifted across and used to create the beginning of a seemingly random word.

olliebean

The badge on my App Store icon (iPod touch 4g, iOS6) is counting updates that are incompatible with my device, and therefore don't show up in the Updates list.