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"Alternative" comedy isn't funny

Started by graffic, July 10, 2013, 05:10:09 PM

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Alberon

I done a LOL when he goes on about crisps.

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Quote from: heretical error on July 13, 2013, 04:56:58 PM
I suppose you need to have gone to university to appreciate the subtle brilliance of Mr. Stewart Lee's act, which lesser educated types might not appreciate.  He is, after all, a much cleverer person than you or I.  Having achieved an upper second at Oxbridge, I can understand his act in all its glory.

I've never heard this notion from anyone who doesn't hate him (or pretend to hate him for shite trolling purposes) though.  There are no great masses of people who think they are tremendously clever for "getting" Stewart Lee; just joyless drones who need to pick holes in other people's fun before they can feel their own day has been worth living.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

It doesn't require great intelligence of any sort to appreciate Stewart Lee fully, but reacting to other people liking him and feeling like you aren't getting it by insecuredly pointing to pretentiousness and pseudo-intellectuality that isn't there requires stupidity.

And what about those of us that thinks he's merely ok, hmm? What about the little guy????

Shoulders?-Stomach!

That's not an extreme enough stance to take to register on the radar of most living humans in the 21st Century.


Operty1

It means you're middle wing. Define that in a stand up sense in relation to stand up comedy.

Depressed Beyond Tables

Quote from: heretical error on July 13, 2013, 04:56:58 PM
I suppose you need to have gone to university to appreciate the subtle brilliance of Mr. Stewart Lee's act, which lesser educated types might not appreciate.  He is, after all, a much cleverer person than you or I.  Having achieved an upper second at Oxbridge, I can understand his act in all its glory.

Unbeknownst to me I'm already up an entire fortune in college fees.

Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch

Stewart Lee is a small sad man
With a smug face at the front
His head is of foul gammon made
And his act's a pile of cunt.


Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch

Something else I'd like to touch on is that the mainstream, which is supposed to be so fucking awful, NO LONGER EXISTS.

"Harry Hill is mainstream since he went to ITV" - what, so being on Channel Four marks you out as some sort of crazy rebel, does it? I think not.

"Michael MacIntyre is so mainstream" - come the fuck off it, he's hardly the type to come on stage wearing a velvet evening suit doing mother in law jokes, is he?

Alternative comedy was a handy tag invented by the media in the early eighties to describe a bunch of sneering wankers who hated their parents and thought the height of anti-establishment LOLZ was mildly taking the piss out of the Two Ronnies, or belabouring old-fashioned club acts for laughing at "women's tits". So what happened to the leading lights of the alternative movement?

Ben Elton - wrote musicals, for fuck's sake. Fucked up Blackadder (yes he did).

Rik Mayall and Adrian Edmondson - decamped to estates in the West Country, paid for by their adherence to schoolboy smut

French and Saunders - continued to be shatteringly unfunny until the BBC pulled the plug (by which time the damage was done)

Stephen Fry - national treasure to people who aren't fussy about who they look up to

Hugh Laurie - another depressed bipolar suicide watch posh bastard who moans about how rich and famous he is, boo fucking hoo

Alexei Sayle - committed career suicide with that bloody awful 'Merry Go Round' series

The rest of them - turn up VERY occasionally on boring documentaries still rolling out the "we all hated Thatcher" line and acting like the smug sixth form socialists they always were

I recently re-watched every original episode of Not the Nine O'Clock News, as originally broadcast, and you can forget "90 percent of Python was rubbish", 90% of NTNOCN is fucking unwatchable nowadays. For a supposedly anarchic and progressive programme, they sure did love their big musical finales, didn't they... and Pamela Stephenson never had a single funny bone in her body. Compare this to Alas Smith and Jones, which still stands up extremely well and by rights should be repeated on BBC4.

Alberon

Of course the mainstream still exists. It's just the mainstream today has evolved from the mainstream of the past incorporating alternative comedy in the process.

selectivememory

Quote from: Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch on July 15, 2013, 04:22:29 PM
Stewart Lee is a small sad man
With a smug face at the front
His head is of foul gammon made
And his act's a pile of cunt.

Maybe he'll read that out at his next show.


elnombre

Quote from: Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch on July 15, 2013, 07:16:24 PM
"Harry Hill is mainstream since he went to ITV" - what, so being on Channel Four marks you out as some sort of crazy rebel, does it? I think not.

No, but you don't get huge viewing figures in an early evening slot on ITV1 without chipping off your rougher edges or avoiding material that is less than likely to be embraced by a broad audience. That is the point, as you know very well.

Quote from: Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch on July 15, 2013, 07:16:24 PM
"Michael MacIntyre is so mainstream" - come the fuck off it, he's hardly the type to come on stage wearing a velvet evening suit doing mother in law jokes, is he?

When people say 'mainstream', you do realise they're referring to the mainstream of today and not of 1979?

Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch

There IS no mainstream today. Everybody's 'hip', everybody's cynical. What's the point of rebelling against some nebulous 'square' culture that doesn't even exist any more?

Sexton Brackets Drugbust

Quote from: Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch on July 16, 2013, 04:58:51 PM
There IS no mainstream today.

Obviously there is. As others have pointed out, it's just different to how it was in the 70's.

Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch

Well, I spend most of my time arse-deep in nostalgia, so, you know, I don't even know what the modern mainstream is, but if anyone would care to enlighten me, that would be really helpful, and I'm not even joking.

I didn't even know until Sunday that James Bolam was doing a CBeebies programme called Grandpa In My Pocket. Did not know that. I just spotted it in the TV listings and thought it might be a telly adaptation of the old Dandy strip 'Peter's Pocket Grandpa'. It sort of was, only a million times shittier.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

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And that explains why you find it so confusing and are wrong.

RickyGerbail

Quote from: Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch on July 16, 2013, 05:17:03 PM
Well, I spend most of my time arse-deep in nostalgia, so, you know, I don't even know what the modern mainstream is, but if anyone would care to enlighten me, that would be really helpful, and I'm not even joking.


An "alternative" is to find out about all the brilliant comedy you're too dumb to look into, just read my threads and you will find out.

Jon

graffic, I think you've made the common error of devising an embryonic political hypothesis, that comedy is an inherently hierarchical and laughter is submissive, then accepted it as truth and followed it down the rabbit hole until it colours your entire worldview, the distortions of which you aren't able to see because you won't question its axioms.

You took the words right out of my mouth, Jon.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch on July 16, 2013, 05:17:03 PM
I don't even know what the modern mainstream is

Yes you do: Michael McIntyre.

Quote from: Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch on July 15, 2013, 07:16:24 PM
"Michael MacIntyre is so mainstream" - come the fuck off it, he's hardly the type to come on stage wearing a velvet evening suit doing mother in law jokes, is he?

Mother-in-law jokes haven't been the mainstream for decades. 'Have you noticed how people oop north say "t'" instead of "the"? Uh-hoi-hoi-hoi! What's that all about? Uh-hoi-hoi-hoi!' is fairly representative of the current mainstream.

graffic

Quote from: Jon on July 17, 2013, 12:28:59 PM
graffic, I think you've made the common error of devising an embryonic political hypothesis, that comedy is an inherently hierarchical and laughter is submissive, then accepted it as truth and followed it down the rabbit hole until it colours your entire worldview, the distortions of which you aren't able to see because you won't question its axioms.

Jesus, Gandhi and Martin Luther King  weren't one's for making jokes and making people laugh. If instead of walking on water Jesus had been telling jokes and onlookers saw and heard his disciples screaming with laughter and cackling it would have diminished his message.

Humour and laughter is not high minded. The spectacle of people laughing at high minded jokes is counter productive because it comes across to those who aren't laughing as exclusive smugness and is not all inclusive and enlightening. Stewart Lee is the epitome of a smug liberal fool. The right wingers love alternative comedy and left wing comedy because it makes them look like smug twats and makes the right look more attractive.

Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch

So Peter Kay is mainstream? Fucking hell. Things are even worse than even I had at first previously imagined.

I agree with Graffic though, Stewart Lee is awful.

Ballad of Ballard Berkley

Quote from: Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch on July 17, 2013, 02:36:27 PM
So Peter Kay is mainstream? Fucking hell. Things are even worse than even I had at first previously imagined.

Of course he is. He's been the most popular stand-up comic in Britain for about a decade.

Quote from: Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch on July 17, 2013, 02:36:27 PM
I agree with Graffic though, Stewart Lee is awful.

I think that's the first time those words have appeared on this forum. Fancy that.

checkoutgirl

Quote from: Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch on July 16, 2013, 04:58:51 PM
There IS no mainstream today. Everybody's 'hip', everybody's cynical. What's the point of rebelling against some nebulous 'square' culture that doesn't even exist any more?

Rimmer.

Yis Maam ?

Have sex with someone.

Yis Maam.


alan nagsworth

Quote from: Nmkl Pkjl Ftmsch on July 16, 2013, 05:17:03 PM
Well, I spend most of my time arse-deep in nostalgia, so, you know, I don't even know what the modern mainstream is, but if anyone would care to enlighten me, that would be really helpful, and I'm not even joking.

Yes you are joking, because your whole social stigma is laughable in itself, as if the fact that you refuse to engage any accurate or constructive responses in favour of chuntering full steam ahead down the same single unfaltering reliable track that you built yourself from your head round to your arse and back again is frankly fucking hilarious. Now do us all a favour and fuck off. Again. And then come back in six to eight months without a single word of apology or repentance and spam the shit out of us with your occasionally decent artwork which is let down by your staggeringly unflinching and insulting diatribes that slowly emerge from the stinking mire of your fleeting attempts to try and fit in here despite the fact that you are a regressive bell-end with nothing new to say.