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Mad Max: Fury Road

Started by El Unicornio, mang, July 27, 2014, 10:53:29 PM

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El Unicornio, mang

If the film is as bonkers as the trailer suggests, this might be pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akX3Is3qBp

Glebe

It certainly looks action-packed... just hope Max himself doesn't get side-lined.

JesusAndYourBush

It looks good! [nb]Apart from the fireworks which look like they've been done in flash.[/nb]

#3
This looks genuinely pretty good. Odd choice to barely show Tom Hardy in any active role. Not sure if that's a reflection of the film, or if this is the first trailer in years that isn't showing off bits from the entire film.

I'd kind of want them to keep as much of the stunts and effects in camera too, does seem to be a lot of CGI, but I guess again, that's just par for the course these days. Can't be legally (ethically) doing the kind of shit they were doing in the original two. 

EDIT: Miller himself is describing it as a '105-minute chase scene' through the wasteland, so perhaps this is a reflection of what the whole film is.

Cool that he's brought Toecutter back as well.

Mister Six

Quite like the look of that - too much CGI, yes, but the out-there design concepts for the wastelanders are spot-on and it's always nice when a trailer gives you a taste of the content without fucking telling you the entire plot.

Shaky

Looks jolly good, even if it is effectively a remake of MM2. Anyone here overly bothered about whether this is going to be a sequel/reboot/interquel? Some people on other boards seem to be obsessed with trying to tie all four films together. Doesn't particularly bother me if, as suspected, they're just re-using recognizable elements while chucking some new stuff in.

Quote from: Shaky on August 01, 2014, 04:02:20 AM
Looks jolly good, even if it is effectively a remake of MM2. Anyone here overly bothered about whether this is going to be a sequel/reboot/interquel? Some people on other boards seem to be obsessed with trying to tie all four films together. Doesn't particularly bother me if, as suspected, they're just re-using recognizable elements while chucking some new stuff in.

Seems like the end of Mad Max 2, which is the best bit of Mad Max 2, and Miller has just made that the whole film.

I couldn't give a shit about where this fits in. But I also though Thunderdome was godawful and don't remember where the plot goes with that. But Mad Max and Max himself are basically like the Man With no (many) Name(s) and the Dollars trilogy. It really is unimportant what happened in the last one. They're non characters really. They're passive drifters, and they drift into the plot, try to drift away but are roped into something bigger then themselves, until eventually they snap and give into their violent nature and kill all the bad guys. Then they drift away again at the end.

Like the Dollars trilogy. Max and Eastwood aren't the appeal of these films. They're practically non characters. Max has a family in the first one at least, but even they're there purely to be killed so it can be the catalyst for his revenge.

Max is all about the world, and the raw practical effects used in its stunts and car chases. It's primal stuff and just great fun. There definitely does look like a lot more practical effects in this than most hollywood stuff but I hope they do try and keep as much as they can in camera.

Interesting that Charlize seems to be the proper protagonist in this. I like that a lot. Sneaking in a female protagonist into a big budget action film by the looks of it. Stick Max on the posters, stick his name in the title, keep him around for the full film so you can tell the producers that hey! It's his film! But then just have her driving the action of the film. If that's actually going to be how it is, then that's great!

Shaky

QuoteLike the Dollars trilogy. Max and Eastwood aren't the appeal of these films. They're practically non characters. Max has a family in the first one at least, but even they're there purely to be killed so it can be the catalyst for his revenge.

This is certainly true. Cool bastards both but basically just ciphers for the audience. Even Indiana Jones is rebooted at the start of each of his films so he can follow the same arc (ho ho) again. That classic Joseph Campbell archetype. Apparently Fury Road contains a couple of flashbacks to Max's family life, which is nice, but there's really no need for more than that.

QuoteInteresting that Charlize seems to be the proper protagonist in this. I like that a lot. Sneaking in a female protagonist into a big budget action film by the looks of it. Stick Max on the posters, stick his name in the title, keep him around for the full film so you can tell the producers that hey! It's his film! But then just have her driving the action of the film. If that's actually going to be how it is, then that's great!

Did you hear the rumour about Theron alone headlining a possible fifth film, Max Max: Furiosa? If that's not happening then maybe they've bumped her character up in this one.

Quote from: Shaky on August 01, 2014, 05:52:56 AM
Did you hear the rumour about Theron alone headlining a possible fifth film, Max Max: Furiosa? If that's not happening then maybe they've bumped her character up in this one.

Maybe! Or maybe they she's a big part of this one and they might think she's strong enough to spin her off from this, so they can set her up a bit more for her own series.
I think it all really depends on how well this one does, I guess!

Phil_A

Quote from: Bored of Canada on August 01, 2014, 04:15:45 AM
Seems like the end of Mad Max 2, which is the best bit of Mad Max 2, and Miller has just made that the whole film.

I couldn't give a shit about where this fits in. But I also though Thunderdome was godawful and don't remember where the plot goes with that. But Mad Max and Max himself are basically like the Man With no (many) Name(s) and the Dollars trilogy. It really is unimportant what happened in the last one. They're non characters really. They're passive drifters, and they drift into the plot, try to drift away but are roped into something bigger then themselves, until eventually they snap and give into their violent nature and kill all the bad guys. Then they drift away again at the end.

Like the Dollars trilogy. Max and Eastwood aren't the appeal of these films. They're practically non characters. Max has a family in the first one at least, but even they're there purely to be killed so it can be the catalyst for his revenge.


Yeah, there was barely any continuity between the first three films in any case. They even had Bruce Spence playing almost identical but completely different characters in two and three, confusingly, but it doesn't matter too much as "Beyond Thunderdome" appears to be in a completely different post-apocalyptic world to the film before that.

Blumf

They seemed to fit together to me: MM1 = World is showing signs of extreme social stress, beginning to fall apart, MM2 = Oils all but gone, society completely busted, big wars destroy the old states, MM3 = new societies popping up (Bartertown)

The obvious route for MM4 would have been something like two larger, more established Bartertown type places to be at war with each other (more like long term feuding, than all out war) and Max to turn up in the middle of it all (going back to The Man With No Name equivalence, think of A Fistful of Dollars).

Quote from: Blumf on August 01, 2014, 10:32:27 AM
The obvious route for MM4 would have been something like two larger, more established Bartertown type places to be at war with each other (more like long term feuding, than all out war) and Max to turn up in the middle of it all (going back to The Man With No Name equivalence, think of A Fistful of Dollars).

Isn't that pretty much just the plot of Mad Max 2 though?

Shaky

I always thought Thunderdome was a reimagining (godawful term, I know) of the franchise, and nonetheworse for it. Suddenly attributing the downfall of civilisation to a nuclear apocalypse instantly means it doesn't neatly follow on from the events of MM 1 & 2, whereas those ones fit together pretty well (second film's also got the flashback montage at the very start).

Blumf

Quote from: Bored of Canada on August 01, 2014, 10:50:28 AM
Isn't that pretty much just the plot of Mad Max 2 though?

Not really, MM2 had a group of people fleeing a small settlement and a roving gang, Max picks a side.

My theoretical MM4 involves two established towns, with some wider influence in the area (think ancient city states and feudalism). Neither wants to budge, both want to consolidate their control. Max doesn't pick a side.

You'd also see a growth in scale: MM1 = Just one gang, MM2 = A bigger gang + village, MM3 = Town and tribe, MM4* = Two Towns + some wider infrastructure (you could see gyro-copter guy as a kind of pony express/gossip for example)

Hell, that's what I see in it and would consider the logical next step.

Blumf

Quote from: Shaky on August 01, 2014, 11:28:53 AM
I always thought Thunderdome was a reimagining (godawful term, I know) of the franchise, and nonetheworse for it. Suddenly attributing the downfall of civilisation to a nuclear apocalypse

Mad Max 2 references a great war in the opening monologue, I don't think there's a 'reboot' between 2 and 3's continuity.

NoSleep

Mad Max 2 was also a mythic recollection by an old man who was a small child at the time of the events.

Shaky

Mad Max 2 references a great war in the opening monologue, I don't think there's a 'reboot' between 2 and 3's continuity.

I didn't mean a reboot so much as a retcon. To me, it never felt like MMBT took place in the same world as MM1 & 2. In those, the big collapse seems to revolve around oil while 3 explicity states that a bomb buggered everything up. That's always sort of jarred with me, but I guess the two notions aren't mutually exclusive... The old feral kid's dying talk of a "great war" certainly doesn't rule out the Nuclear interpretation. I can imagine a big argument over oil, then the nukes come out... maybe. I guess I'd always just assumed the warring tribes fought with, er, guns or sticks.

NoSleep

I haven't watched any of the Mad Max films for yonks, but I recall that there was a war. I don't think it necessarily centred around oil, but there was enough disruption of society that oil production had come to a complete halt and the remaining supplies were being fought over, whilst we find a group in the wilderness drilling for (enough) oil simply to escape to the coast/civilisation.

Echoes

Watched the first one for the first time[nb]Better late than never, eh?[/nb] last week, about to start the second.

Obviously only seeing the first I can't really say how good this new one looks but the trailer seemed too hectic? Don't know who the girls were supposed to be either.

Tom Hardy looks good though.

Shaky

Quote from: Echoes on August 02, 2014, 11:50:12 AM
Watched the first one for the first time[nb]Better late than never, eh?[/nb] last week, about to start the second.

Obviously only seeing the first I can't really say how good this new one looks but the trailer seemed too hectic? Don't know who the girls were supposed to be either.

Tom Hardy looks good though.

The Fury Road trailer will probably take on more context once you've watched Mad Max 2 - it deliberately evokes that film in particular.

Supposedly those girls are "five wives" being escorted across the wasteland by Theron's character... presumably Max is rescued along the way and he ends up helping them.

Canted_Angle

I can't recall where but I do remember reading somewhere that Fury Road takes place between Mad Max 2 and 3.

How do people feel about the first Mad Max film? Or is it called Road Warrior in the UK?

I like it a lot, largely because it's an Australian film shot near where I live, but hugely because of the fucking stuntwork in it. I wouldn't say it's a really groundbreaking film, but the sheer raw (near negligent) danger pervades all the shots. You can see people being yanked off motorcycles, or that shot where the guy flies off his motorcycle and the wheel just smashes him in the back of the head.
Or just the Nightrider's car having an actual rocket strapped to it and just flipping the shit out of it with a stuntman inside. You just can't create that feeling with CGI.
Even just the camerawork, where the motorcyclist is just flying down the fucking road with the DOP hugging on tight, whilst still operating a fuck off big camera filming POV shots.

It's just insane.

But Mad Max 2 combines all that stuff, but with an actually awesome film. It's just everything a sequel should be.

The films are national treasures though, so I am influenced a lot by that. Patriotism/Nationalism breeds xenophobia and cunts, but Australia's film history is the only thing that makes me ever feel any connection with this country, other than the beauty of the land itself.

NoSleep

Mad Max 2's full title was Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior.

I remember the reviews from the period of MM2's release comparing the oil tanker chase favourably against the car chase in Raiders Of The Lost Ark, which says a lot considering the difference in budget.

lazarou

Fairly common knowledge by now, but for anyone tracking down the first film, do be sure to get the original Aussie version. Last time I looked (which was a while ago, admittedly), the most common version circulating online was the grating American-accented dub. Avoid that one.

It's been a while since I last watched it, but I've always loved the first film. I'd argue it was groundbreaking at least in the way it filmed car chases, all that insane camerawork that added such urgency to the already inspired stunts.

The new trailer looks great. If nothing else, it should give something else for the next couple decades of post-apoc film, games and anime to crib from.

Bad Ambassador

As far as I can see, the current UK release of MM1 contains the original Aus soundtrack, but the US dub is the default.

Blumf

What version do they show on TV? (on the rare occasion they show MM1)

Bad Ambassador


Shaky

Quote from: NoSleep on August 03, 2014, 10:21:38 AM
Mad Max 2's full title was Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior.

If I may put my pedant's jodhpurs on for a moment, I think it was simply called "The Road Warrior" in the US where it was basically marketed as a stand alone film when it came out. When I bought the video in the UK about 15 years ago it was just "Mad Max 2" - maybe they've permanently added the suffix since, though?

QuoteThe films are national treasures though, so I am influenced a lot by that. Patriotism/Nationalism breeds xenophobia and cunts, but Australia's film history is the only thing that makes me ever feel any connection with this country, other than the beauty of the land itself.

Having been a semi-Aussie for a few years now, Mad Max 2 was definitely something that first turned Oz into a mysterious & enticing location in my child mind. The look and feel of the landscape was hypnotic, as well as the raw carnage itself obviously. Weird because on the surface MM2 is wall to wall full of elements I have virtually no other interest in (cars, violence, sand) but the way it merges everything is together is nothing short of visual poetry.

Hell, all three (so far) are fucking great. Even Thunderdome.

NoSleep

Quote from: Shaky on August 04, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
If I may put my pedant's jodhpurs on for a moment, I think it was simply called "The Road Warrior" in the US where it was basically marketed as a stand alone film when it came out. When I bought the video in the UK about 15 years ago it was just "Mad Max 2" - maybe they've permanently added the suffix since, though?

I was just copying something that I immediately found on IMDB or wherever, just to clarify, for Board of Canada, that Mad Max (1) was not named The Road Warrior.

Shaky

Quote from: NoSleep on August 04, 2014, 12:47:07 PM
I was just copying something that I immediately found on IMDB or wherever, just to clarify, for Board of Canada, that Mad Max (1) was not named The Road Warrior.

Ah yeah, I see now  -  think I just saw the words, "The Road Warrior" then immediately pounced....