The Russell Brand Podcast (NEW SHIT with MATT MORGAN)

[ieXush2i]

Whatever did happen to Trevor Lock?

[Sin Agog]

He was on the Brian Gittins podcast awhile back.  Seems to be chipper enough, and he somehow managed to crowbar a Peru reference or two in there.  (Is he the real-life Paddington bear?).

[Old Nehamkin]

Whatever did happen to Trevor Lock?

He's been at the Fringe the last few years doing a mostly improvised show called Trevor Lock's Community Circle. It's really, really funny.

[ieXush2i]

Yeah, I saw him at the Camden Head about 6 years ago or so and it was a good routine - very much his own style.

So how did Brand go from "Trevor Is Innocent" to Lock being discharged from the show?

[Old Nehamkin]

So how did Brand go from "Trevor Is Innocent" to Lock being discharged from the show?

As far as I know nobody involved has ever gone into detail about why Trevor left the show, but it happened about six months after the charges against him were dropped so I don't know if there's any reason to assume that it was directly related to that. Trevor appeared as a phone-in guest on Russell and Matt's 2013 XFM reunion show, so it seems unlikely that either of them have changed their position on his innocence.

[jobotic]

What was he accused of doing then?

I saw him in Edinburgh and Faversham (?) years back and he was great.

[ieXush2i]

A 20 year old woman said she went to Brand's Edinburgh flat for a party after meeting him in a bar. There, she was spiked and raped by Lock.

[hedgehog90]

So how did Brand go from "Trevor Is Innocent" to Lock being discharged from the show?

I remember listening to that way back when, possibly live, and thinking it was all a funny bit.
As if Trevor was off ill that day, but they thought it was amusing to repeatedly imply he had been accused of a serious crime, while insisting his innocence.

It took me a good few years to realise the legal dispute was real and quite serious, and led to his departure from the show.

[Sin Agog]

What was particularly hilarious (for me, not for Lock) was how it all came right off the back of a running bit of accusing Trevor of going all Bundy on the comely Italian student staying at his gaff.  My theory is that, though they liked him well enough, Trev's clear middle-class upbringing occasionally stunted Matt and Russ' natural flow, so they, either consciously or unconsciously, Pete Bested the poor sod.  The immediate few episodes after Trev went on hiatus were crackling with anecdote after nanecdote.  Maybe the guys noticed the pace had picked up and felt like they should just stick with their new double act dynamic?

[Repeater]

Agreed, he was shit

[ieXush2i]

And possibly a rapist

[Sin Agog]

He always spiked the fudge.

[c]

There, she was spiked and raped by Lock.

Easy, didn't someone say charges were dropped?

[Repeater]

still done it

[ieXush2i]

Easy, didn't someone say charges were dropped?

I was following on from what the accuser said, and that's what they said.

Charges were dropped, but that's quite common; it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Dr Rock]

It means the CPS didn't think they had a 51% chance or higher of a successful conviction, so they didn't take it to court and charges were dropped. Not a system I think should be the way things are done, but they are. With any case like this, that decision could be based on lack of evidence, or that a jury will not likely believe the case was proven beyond reasonable doubt. And it's a very hard thing to prove beyond reasonable doubt if the person admits to sex but says consent was obtained (if that's what his defence was).

Any reason to think he did or didn't do it?

[c]

I was following on from what the accuser said, and that's what they said.

Charges were dropped, but that's quite common; it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

We have presumption of innocence in this country. It is one of those pesky 'cornerstones of civilisation'. You've also made a libellous statement, so I'd hope Lock isn't reading and in a bad mood. 

[BritishHobo]

This isn't meant to be a reason for anyone to think either way, but Brand covers the whole thing at length in one of the Booky Wooks, and heavily maintains Lock's innocence. If I remember correctly, didn't they also do that on the radio? I'm sure the whole time Trevor was away because of the case, they opened each episode with a short statement explaining that they couldn't say anything about it but that they all stood by Trevor and believed he didn't do it.

I couldn't be less qualified to say either way, but I'm finding it interesting to note that at the time, I simply took it as a given that he definitely hadn't done it. Not that he was innocent until proven guilty, but that he just was innocent, period.

[ieXush2i]

We have presumption of innocence in this country. It is one of those pesky 'cornerstones of civilisation'. You've also made a libellous statement, so I'd hope Lock isn't reading and in a bad mood.

Quaking.

[ieXush2i]

It means the CPS didn't think they had a 51% chance or higher of a successful conviction, so they didn't take it to court and charges were dropped. Not a system I think should be the way things are done, but they are. With any case like this, that decision could be based on lack of evidence, or that a jury will not likely believe the case was proven beyond reasonable doubt. And it's a very hard thing to prove beyond reasonable doubt if the person admits to sex but says consent was obtained (if that's what his defence was).

Any reason to think he did or didn't do it?

Or the woman could have withdrawn the charges, for any number of reasons.

[Dr Rock]

Or the woman could have withdrawn the charges, for any number of reasons.

The police/cps will often/usually prosecute anyway, if they are more than 50/50 sure they'll get a conviction. If, for example, a woman says she was raped, the guy admits it, then they make up and she asks for the charges to be dropped, that's not going to happen. They want those conviction rates to keep rising for one thing, that's partly why they don't pursue cases they might lose, because the figures look bad. The woman in the Ched Evans case did not want to press any charges for example.

[mmm]

Or the woman could have withdrawn the charges, for any number of reasons.

Or it didn't happen.

[Stoneage Dinosaurs]

Never trust a man with a small face

[Repeater]

This week's episode, the live one, was horrendous. Russ at his obnoxious worst.

[notjosh]

His reaction to the Trevor Lock incident might take on a different light if all the stories I've heard about Russell Brand are made public and turn out to be true. From what I hear it's approaching the point of 'open secret' in the industry. _{*Just what I've been hearing, I don't know anything.}

[ieXush2i]

Like this?

http://www.thegrindstone.com/2012/08/03/office-politics/russell-brand-sexually-harassed-a-wardrobe-girl-but-dont-worry-it-was-funny-274/

[notjosh]

Worse than that I'm afraid.

[ieXush2i]

One of the first stories in My Booky Wook is a tale of him, as a 3 or 4 year old, manipulating a woman into being naked in front of him...

That entire book is about a man fucking over his friends and people he works with because he "just wants to make people laugh". One of his friends has to leave the country after moving here because Brand fucks up a work project, and it just gets shrugged off.

It would not surprise me at all if John Noel made a few stories go away, a few NDAs signed.

[up_the_hampipe]

One of the first stories in My Booky Wook is a tale of him, as a 3 or 4 year old, manipulating a woman into being naked in front of him...

Someone should have arrested that twisted toddler!

[ieXush2i]

It's more an illustrative story about how manipulative and self-seeking he is, especially in the pursuit of sex, as he himself admits in the telling of the story.