The Hatefull Eight

[Viero_Berlotti]

Jackie Brown was an Elmore Leonard pulp crime story done in the style of a blaxploitation film.

I'd love to see Tarantino do more adaptations rather working from his own scripts all the time, which he has done exclusively since Jackie Brown. He also needs a producer and editor that's not scared to reign in his excesses. His ego is too big now though, too obsessed with creating his own legacy, it will never happen unfortunately.

[Hollow]

Volume 1 of Kill Bill for me...it's twice the film Volume 2 is.

And even if you say 'well it was meant to be one big film' it would need a different re-edit if it was to be one, as both those films bolted together produces quite an uneven affair.

Like the poster up the thread said, the Japanese stuff was excellent, the music, the brutal ages long bloodbath. (get the Japanese version for the full colour effect)

I didn't really like any of Volume 2, bar the Pai Mei bit and the highly unlikely coffin escape...it's the music.

[Custard]

Ol Quentin loves reminding us what number film he's on, eh?

[Garam]

So he can't spell and can't count. Kill Bill was two films. Two shit films.

[St_Eddie]

I'd love to see Tarantino do more adaptations rather working from his own scripts all the time, which he has done exclusively since Jackie Brown. He also needs a producer and editor that's not scared to reign in his excesses. His ego is too big now though, too obsessed with creating his own legacy, it will never happen unfortunately.

I couldn't agree more.  On the subject of Jackie Brown (my favourite Tarantino flick, for the reasons which you stated); has anyone else seen Life of Crime (I watched it the other day myself)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_of_Crime_%28film%29

Like Jackie Brown, it's an adaptation of Elmore Leonard's novel and features the same characters from Tarantino's film (namely Ordell, Louis and Melanie).  Whilst it's not as good as Jackie Brown, it does act as a really good companion piece to that film.  It especially makes Louis' death at the hands of Ordell in Jackie Brown seem all the more poignant ("your ass used to be beautiful").

I certainly recommend it, especially as a back-to-back double bill with Jackie Brown.  They did a great job with the casting; you can really buy into the actors as being younger versions of Samuel L Jackson and Robert DeNiro's characters.

[Viero_Berlotti]

I stumbled across this interview with Tarantino circa 2007/8. In it he discusses why he never uses composers or original music in his films, and comes across as a complete prick in the process.

https://youtu.be/qtR5Cxscnu4?t=2m

[Johnny Textface]

Amphetamine sulphate.

[Viero_Berlotti]

Amphetamine sulphate.

Nah, too cheap for Hollywood. That's classic cocaine egotism right there.

[Mango Chimes]

I stumbled across this interview with Tarantino circa 2007/8. In it he discusses why he never uses composers or original music in his films, and comes across as a complete prick in the process.

Jonathan Ross took him to task about that, because he found him reusing soundtracks from other films in Ingleriuoux Berstirdz really distracting.

It's weird that someone whose such an accomplished filmmaker doesn't get one of the basic aspects of filmmaking.  If he's got the power to say "no composer!" surely he can say "compose a load of stuff before I start filming, and I want it to sound like this, ta."

So he can't spell and can't count. Kill Bill was two films. Two shit films.

Maybe he's counting Kill Bill as two, but skipping Death Proof (as being just a part of Grindhouse)

Reservoir Dogs
Pulp Fiction
Jackie Brown
Kill Bill Vol 1
Kill Bill Vol 2
Englurieuse Busturds
Django Unchained

[Viero_Berlotti]

It's weird that someone whose such an accomplished filmmaker doesn't get one of the basic aspects of filmmaking.

Yes, filmmaking is a collaborative art form Quentin you prick, even the most tyrannical of directors understand this.

[Ballad of Ballard Berkley]

I stumbled across this interview with Tarantino circa 2007/8. In it he discusses why he never uses composers or original music in his films, and comes across as a complete prick in the process.

https://youtu.be/qtR5Cxscnu4?t=2m

Christ. I'm generally a fan of Tarantino's work, and often find him quite entertaining when interviewed. But he's utterly insufferable in that clip. Sniff sniff...

[Ignatius_S]

I stumbled across this interview with Tarantino circa 2007/8. In it he discusses why he never uses composers or original music in his films, and comes across as a complete prick in the process.

https://youtu.be/qtR5Cxscnu4?t=2m

He's been desperately trying to get Ennio Morricone to score his work for quite a few years. I went to see Christopher Frayling give a talk, which he mentioned that when Morricone was sent to a copy of the Inglorious Bastards script, he started reading and when he soon read 'it's a totally spaghetti western moment', the composer chucked it in the bin. This is rather different to what's been said publicly, but I reckon that rings true.

[monolith]

He's been desperately trying to get Ennio Morricone to score his work for quite a few years. I went to see Christopher Frayling give a talk, which he mentioned that when Morricone was sent to a copy of the Inglorious Bastards script, he started reading and when he soon read 'it's a totally spaghetti western moment', the composer chucked it in the bin. This is rather different to what's been said publicly, but I reckon that rings true.

It says that in the script? I mean I know the beginning scene is a nod to TGTBATU but it really said that on the script? Haha.

That intro was fucking brilliant, so tense, shame the rest of the film didn't quite live up to it (wasn't shite or anything but it was steadily downhill from the intro). The bar scene was pretty good too actually.

Edit: Incidentally and off topic, whilst I should definitely be asleep now I was randomly browsing the forum and came upon the Kill Bill thread:

http://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,1829.0/nowap.html

That lead me to think "That untitled_london chap seems like a bit of a twat, yet no negative karma, interesting, I wonder if he still posts", which led me to his last post which appears from the description to have been FUCKING CHILD PORN (it was obviously immediately removed and the poster banned).

Amazing what watching Jackie Brown then searching your favourite forum for discussion on it can lead to... And a creepy as fuck note to go to sleep on. Fucks sake.

[Steven]

That intro was fucking brilliant, so tense, shame the rest of the film didn't quite live up to it (wasn't shite or anything but it was steadily downhill from the intro). The bar scene was pretty good too actually.

The scene with them pretending to be Italian film makers in front of the Nazis was scene-chewingly bad, and not in a comic farcical way, just horrendous.

[mobias]

I stumbled across this interview with Tarantino circa 2007/8. In it he discusses why he never uses composers or original music in his films, and comes across as a complete prick in the process.

https://youtu.be/qtR5Cxscnu4?t=2m

Why is he dressed as a Jedi knight in that interview?

Christ. I'm generally a fan of Tarantino's work, and often find him quite entertaining when interviewed. But he's utterly insufferable in that clip. Sniff sniff...

I can ever tell if he's being faintly ironic when he comes across as a smug egotistical twat in interviews like that or whether he genuinely is. I have very mixed views on Tarantino generally but I think he is an insecure and almost quite vulnerable geeky guy underneath all the bullshit he so obviously creates about himself to hind behind. In a weird sort of way I actually find it quite hard to take him or his films that seriously for some reason. I look at someone like Paul Thomas Anderson and see the sort of film maker Tarantino wishes he was rather than what he actually is.

[HodgerMccodger]

I felt Inglorious Basterds was one of his better films, I also think it is the one where the themes and substance of the film are made most explicit. Just to clarify my thinking, I would say that some of the ideas and themes the film is playing with are propaganda and the cinema (war time propaganda, the way the Nazi's used cinema, and the way the Nazi's have been subsequently used in cinema), the way the cinema audience relate to scenes of violence and the issue of taste in war films (particularly second world war films, whether intended as entertainment/exploitation or more middle brow serious entertainment). Indeed you could say it is a bit on the nose at some points; where the audience are mirrored by an audience of Nazi's laughing at repetitive scenes of violence, and the way the war is ended early by a cinema burning down with reels of film.

[monolith]

I felt Inglorious Basterds was one of his better films, I also think it is the one where the themes and substance of the film are made most explicit. Just to clarify my thinking, I would say that some of the ideas and themes the film is playing with are propaganda and the cinema (war time propaganda, the way the Nazi's used cinema, and the way the Nazi's have been subsequently used in cinema), the way the cinema audience relate to scenes of violence and the issue of taste in war films (particularly second world war films, whether intended as entertainment/exploitation or more middle brow serious entertainment). Indeed you could say it is a bit on the nose at some points; where the audience are mirrored by an audience of Nazi's laughing at repetitive scenes of violence, and the way the war is ended early by a cinema burning down with reels of film.

Whilst I don't disagree with anything you have written, the film he made wasn't the film I wanted. I thought the potential shown in the opening and in the bar scene for a tense thriller were all the themes and direction that was required and that it didn't need to have the extra layers of explicit violence and social commentary.

Personal opinion and I'm not saying I'm right, it's just the way I would have preferred it. Less is more would have been better for me.

[HodgerMccodger]

Whilst I don't disagree with anything you have written, the film he made wasn't the film I wanted. I thought the potential shown in the opening and in the bar scene for a tense thriller were all the themes and direction that was required and that it didn't need to have the extra layers of explicit violence and social commentary.

Personal opinion and I'm not saying I'm right, it's just the way I would have preferred it. Less is more would have been better for me.

I can understand that, I agree that the bar scene and opening scene stand out and work very well.

I suppose I was responding to a particular set of criticisms I'd heard at the time of its release; Mark Kermode argued that it was just a series of set pieces with nothing else to it. Other critics treated his treatment of the material and the style/violence as signs of childishness or pandering to fanboys, rather than giving him the benefit of the doubt and asking what the film might be about. So I was more saying that certain criticisms of it felt a bit odd. I tried to make this point in my last post, then I read it back to myself and thought I came across like an arsehole, so removed it.

[kitsofan34]

Ennio Morricone has only gone and bloody agreed to do an original score for this film.

[popcorn]

Fucking lovely poster.

[Custard]

Watch out, it's another lovely poster

[Puce Moment]

Anyone planning to watch this projected in 70mm? I'm going to make the trip to either London or Manchester in the hope of seeing this in its full glory.

[Blinder Data]

I can understand that, I agree that the bar scene and opening scene stand out and work very well.

I suppose I was responding to a particular set of criticisms I'd heard at the time of its release; Mark Kermode argued that it was just a series of set pieces with nothing else to it. Other critics treated his treatment of the material and the style/violence as signs of childishness or pandering to fanboys, rather than giving him the benefit of the doubt and asking what the film might be about. So I was more saying that certain criticisms of it felt a bit odd. I tried to make this point in my last post, then I read it back to myself and thought I came across like an arsehole, so removed it.

I also think IB is one of his better films. All it would take is another round of editing and a man standing over QT's shoulder telling him off for being a self-indulgent prick ("Do we really need Samuel L Jackson to do two voiceovers?") and it would be a much tighter, more entertaining film. The bit where Hitler and Goebbels are gunned down is up there with my favourite cinema moments.

I might make a trip to Manchester for the 70mm if it doesn't come to Scotland - would give me a chance to check out the cinemas at HOME as well.

[Mango Chimes]

Gets good marketing, Tarantino.  I didn't like his last several films, and I still kinda want to see this in the cinema...  Although that second poster does remind me of exactly the sort of declarative bollocks that puts me off.

GENE WILDER
IS
BENEDICT REDWHISTLE
A.K.A.
BARRY FUCKMAN
"DON'T DRINK HIS PEPSI"


Yeah, alright mate, dial it back a bit.

[DukeDeMondo]

Trailer!

https://youtu.be/gnRbXn4-Yis

It looks awfa purdy.

Also, didn't teaser trailer used to mean "bit of a flash of someone's arm, a glimpse of a logo, maybe, if you're lucky, some gruff voice or other saying something about this is coming or that's coming"?

That there's a trailer, and that's all there is to it.

[Puce Moment]

As someone who doesn't think he has bettered Reservoir Dogs I am looking forward to the tense, isolated focus of this.

I wish I hadn't read the script although it was a while ago.

[Sgt. Duckie]

I read the leaked first draft of 'Eight' a while back and it certainly has its moments. My thoughts on the trailer are it seems a bit rushed, clunky and doesn't quite know what to do with itself.

[biggytitbo]

I bet this is twice as good as the fantastic 4.

[Glebe]

My thoughts on the trailer are it seems a bit rushed, clunky and doesn't quite know what to do with itself.

Yeah, a bit of a slow burner would have been more effective. But yeah, it certainly looks gorgeous (as does that snowy cabin poster above)... nice to see Tarantino championing 70mm - along with Scorsese, Paul Thomas Anderson and Christopher Nolan, he's part of a sadly dying breed of film-over-digital champions.

[DukeDeMondo]

nice to see Tarantino championing 70mm - along with Scorsese, Paul Thomas Anderson and Christopher Nolan, he's part of a sadly dying breed of film-over-digital champions.

On that note, and to momentarily kick this whole shebang off its axis, has anyone seen that Keanu Reeves documentary about digital / film? Is it any good?