Louis CK 'is a wanker' accusations resurface

[kngen]

I remember there being some rumours about this a few years back, then it all went quiet, but here we are again:

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/250286/jen-kirkman-louis-ck-gross-behavior-podcast/

Well, my wife says I quote him far too much anyway, so that'll probably put an end to that.

[Paaaaul]

Was it Kirkman who brought it up a couple of years ago too?
I can't remember.

[kngen]

This is the story from 2012 (the one I read, anyway): no names are mentioned - http://gawker.com/5894527/which-beloved-comedian-likes-to-force-female-comics-to-watch-him-jerk-off?comment=48089921

Edited to include more Gawker

[up_the_hampipe]

Seems like a bunch of nonsense speculation at this point. I'd like to hope it isn't true because the logic in his stand-up doesn't point to that, unlike Bill "Spanish Fly" Cosby.

[Depressed Beyond Tables]

If it's true make the clear allegation and if you're also a comedian then maybe get some material out of it. You could build a whole show on that.

Or else you're just lying/wasting people's time.

[Kishi the Bad Lampshade]

Very depressing if true. Not just because he's really good, but because multiple bits of his standup point to him being aware, intelligent and seemingly sincere with regards to this kind of thing. You never know, I suppose. This would hit me harder than the Cosby allegations I think, he was one of the first comedians I was properly obsessed with.

[Squink]

I'm guessing Louis got lawyered up, hence the podcast removal. Is Louis CK really that powerful? To me the most powerful American comics have all starred in big feature films, which he hasn't at all. His TV show is surely more on the cult-y level.

[Kishi the Bad Lampshade]

I guess "power" in the comedy world is something more specific than A-list celebrity power. I wouldn't be surprised if he could get people blacklisted from the circuit, though I would be dismayed if it turns out he's the sort of person to use that power.

[tomasrojo]

As I mentioned in the previous thread, Marc Maron, who used to share a house with Louis CK, mentioned in one of the live WTF podcasts that male US comedians have a common habit of asking ladies who come back to watch them, if the ladies aren't willing to have sex.  He didn't mention forcing anyone to do anything.

[Morrison Lard]

he's really good

I've tried a few times but can never get into anything of his.

Anyone care to link me some youtube smash-hits which might sway me into liking him?

(Sorry for the thread hijack)

[Tiny Poster]

Remember that ep of Louie where Chole Sevigny compulsively masturbates next to him in a coffee shop?

[Pseudopath]

I've tried a few times but can never get into anything of his.

Anyone care to link me some youtube smash-hits which might sway me into liking him?

(Sorry for the thread hijack)

It's as old as the hills, but I've always loved this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_XiA4U_XsE

[Weeping Prophet]

It's a weird predicament. It took over twenty women to accuse Cosby of drugging and raping them before people finally went "Well, maybe at least one of them is telling the truth". People always find reasons not to believe someone. This seems a bit of an uphill battle.

[Depressed Beyond Tables]

Just because somebody or twenty people say things or hint at something doesn't mean it's true. If they say it in a court of law then at least they are willing to be scrutinised by professionals and risk prosecution if they are lying.

20 people say stuff that isn't true about celebs on the internet everyday - sorry, that's not the way to convict anybody.

Richard Herring & his high-backed armchair.

[Steven]

20 people say stuff that isn't true about celebs on the internet everyday - sorry, that's not the way to convict anybody.

Victim blamer!

[Weeping Prophet]

Just because somebody or twenty people say things or hint at something doesn't mean it's true. If they say it in a court of law then at least they are willing to be scrutinised by professionals and risk prosecution if they are lying.

Not saying it makes it true. But I don't think an unwillingness to face professional scrutiny means anything either. I've never been the victim (or perpetrator) of such a crime, but I was once a witness, and I know how terrifying it can be and how difficult it is on a simple biological level to turn in somebody who you once trusted, and how tempting it is to pretend it didn't happen. And that doesn't even scratch the surface of what the victim goes through. To, a, have the worst thing that ever happened to you, and b, put all your energy into persuading people that it happened at all. It also assumes that legal justice is the be-all and end-all of closure. When people say "Well, why didn't they just go through the proper legal procedure?" they're often envisioning a world that's so idealistic that crimes like this would never happen at all.

[comic630]

Just because somebody or twenty people say things or hint at something doesn't mean it's true. If they say it in a court of law then at least they are willing to be scrutinised by professionals and risk prosecution if they are lying.

20 people say stuff that isn't true about celebs on the internet everyday - sorry, that's not the way to convict anybody.

Richard Herring & his high-backed armchair.

Exactly. A perfect example of deception is: a couple of weeks ago, there was an internal election in a small party in my country. Since forming political parties is a burocratic nightmare and the elections were open to any party member, there was a cultish church that tried to take over the political party. They joined the party last minute and started voting en masse on one of their own.

So, there are people who will do odd and crazy things for money and power. At the moment I have zero reasons to believe that these accusations are more than gossip.

[comic630]

I've tried a few times but can never get into anything of his.

Anyone care to link me some youtube smash-hits which might sway me into liking him?

(Sorry for the thread hijack)

This is still my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT7xc_XqYO8

This one is good too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiH4n8Yz380

[Replies From View]

To me the most powerful American comics have all starred in big feature films, which he hasn't at all. His TV show is surely more on the cult-y level.

True.  It needs a region 2 release to cross that threshold.

[Mr Banlon]

I heard rumours about the current series of Louie being good. They turned out to be false.

[Noodle Lizard]

I'm guessing Louis got lawyered up, hence the podcast removal.

No, she removed it herself and sent repeated Tweets to the author asking him to remove his "shitty" article.

[Jamie Oliver is fat]

This is getting a bit stupid isn't it.

I'll be as gutted as Kishi if this is true, but at the moment it's just shitty, shitty gossiping of the worst kind that can destroy innocent people's lives.

[monolith]

Louis hasn't been married for years so doesn't sound like it fits. If it happened when he was still married then it's a bit weird for Jen Kirkman to name him as her favourite comedian in the last few years.

Not him imo.

[alan nagsworth]

20 people say stuff that isn't true about celebs on the internet everyday - sorry, that's not the way to convict anybody.

40 Helens agree, that's not the way to convict anybody.

[Steven]

HERE IS A PICTURE OF LOUIS CK AND HIS NAME MENTIONED A BUNCH OF TIMES IN THE SAME ARTICLE NEXT TO INSINUATIONS OF A NOTABLE COMIC WHO LURES WOMEN TO HIS HOTEL ROOM AND JERKS OFF WHILE BLOCKING THE DOOR, TO CLARIFY: THE TWO ARE NOT LINKED IN ANY WAY!

[Oops! Wrong Planet]

Probably not Louis if the bit "dressed as a woman and shouting feck" is anything to go by.

[up_the_hampipe]

No, she removed it herself and sent repeated Tweets to the author asking him to remove his "shitty" article.

Didn't she also say that the article was untrue in the same tweet or subsequent tweets? I could google it but I'm sleepy.

[neardark]

Finding it very odd that people are still treating this as 'gossip' despite those words being Jen Kirkman's. I've no idea who she is, but why is everyone taking it like a pinch of salt? Either the quote was totally fabricated or she's talking about Louis CK.

[Steven]

Jen Kirkman's. I've no idea who she is

She's the new Hannibal Buress.

[Depressed Beyond Tables]

Not saying it makes it true. But I don't think an unwillingness to face professional scrutiny means anything either. I've never been the victim (or perpetrator) of such a crime, but I was once a witness, and I know how terrifying it can be and how difficult it is on a simple biological level to turn in somebody who you once trusted, and how tempting it is to pretend it didn't happen. And that doesn't even scratch the surface of what the victim goes through. To, a, have the worst thing that ever happened to you, and b, put all your energy into persuading people that it happened at all. It also assumes that legal justice is the be-all and end-all of closure. When people say "Well, why didn't they just go through the proper legal procedure?" they're often envisioning a world that's so idealistic that crimes like this would never happen at all.

Look I know there are situations where defendants can make life miserable (or short) for people who threaten to testify against them but we are not talking about some mafia hitman trial.

It's not a perfect system but personally I don't buy the argument that life would be hell if a victim of CK's came out. It's the only way he will ever have to take responsibility - and if it was sexual abuse, that's a serious charge. It might be 'hell', but it might end with a conviction too.

But the whole 'I can't say anything but his name rhymes with gooey' can fuck right off. It appears to be an attempt to further a career by association rather than any real intention of bringing anyone to justice for real crimes - and not to mention the absolute betrayal of possible future female victims.

It stinks altogether.