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Trainspotting 2

Started by holyzombiejesus, September 08, 2015, 04:30:13 PM

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Glebe


Garam

Trainspotting is a masterpiece
The Acid House is a good toilet book, Spud and Renton (though not named) make brief appearances
Maribou Stork Nightmares is pretty good too, though feels a bit adolescent Chuck Palahniuk-y at times...Begbie's in it for a second
Glue and Porno are companion pieces...kind of overlong, flabby and fucking tiresome though the characters are still well drawn, and it's funny at times.
There's a Begbie short story in Reheated Cabbage that is a good laugh.
Skagboys is surprisingly pretty damn good. Half of it is leftovers from the original Trainspotting manuscript I think. Worth a go.
I haven't read Blade Artist but it sounds shiiiiiiiiiiiite.

Any appearances they make in his other stuff will be pretty miniscule I think. Don't ever read Ecstasy. Or Filth for that matter. Boring 90s gross out lad lit.

Malcy

Quote from: Garam on March 02, 2017, 02:20:24 PM
Trainspotting is a masterpiece
The Acid House is a good toilet book, Spud and Renton (though not named) make brief appearances
Maribou Stork Nightmares is pretty good too, though feels a bit adolescent Chuck Palahniuk-y at times...Begbie's in it for a second
Glue and Porno are companion pieces...kind of overlong, flabby and fucking tiresome though the characters are still well drawn, and it's funny at times.
There's a Begbie short story in Reheated Cabbage that is a good laugh.
Skagboys is surprisingly pretty damn good. Half of it is leftovers from the original Trainspotting manuscript I think. Worth a go.
I haven't read Blade Artist but it sounds shiiiiiiiiiiiite.

Any appearances they make in his other stuff will be pretty miniscule I think. Don't ever read Ecstasy. Or Filth for that matter. Boring 90s gross out lad lit.

Thanks. Will defo give Skagboys a look.

Jockice

Quote from: Thursday on February 04, 2017, 09:14:23 PM

My cinema had to restart it after 10 minutes because some tory cunt had obviously gone and requested that they have subtitles. Making the rest of us have to put up with subtitles we didn't need. I must get out of Kingston upon Thames immediately.

Maybe it was a deaf Tory cunt. The worst kind.

Anyway, I've finally got to see it. I was supposed to be going with a friend who is a fellow junki...er....Scot but he's kept pulling out. The latest excuse is that his baby son's got chickenpox. The fucking doss prick. So, as I was in the vicinity this morning went to see it alone at an independent cinema at half ten this morning.

I missed the start due to a massive queue of pensioners queuing up to get tickets for another film (there was a grand total of four other people in at this particular screening with me) so the first words I heard were: "The answer's no Frank.'' Don't think I missed too much.

I enjoyed it (but then I haven't been to the pictures for nearly two years and haven't been on my own since the start of the century) and yes there were inconsistencies, but I can exclusively reveal that it's not real life. Particular stand-outs for me were the 1690 bank card scam and Diane's 'she's too young for you,' line to Renton.

I can think of much worse ways to spend a Thursday morning.

New Jack

#244
Eh, ah felt a wee radge cunt seein yon fillum fir a second time. Want the fuckin blu ray, ya cunt. Get masel a wee bit pished n watch it wi a mate. Cmoan an leak it digitally ye fuckin jakey Boyle, ahm gantin oan it

greencalx

The Douglas Hotel Clydebank, apparently. https://goo.gl/images/aSBUiO

zomgmouse

I saw this and I really liked it[nb]themes of aging and nostalgia work well in a 20-years-later sequel, who'd'a thought[/nb] but I'm a bit pissed off that they gave Rent Boy a stent and didn't call him Stent Boy. I mean it was RIGHT THERE.

Sgt. Duckie

It was an okay sequel I thought. Came out thinking about the minor irritations more than the other parts. For example the situation with Begbie being inside for 20 years and his son looking no more than 16 years old. Unless I'm mistaken, and it was just me.

The Renton/Sick Boy singing scene was a classic though. Needed a few more of those memorable set pieces to raise it closer to the original.

Kolba

It's not his biological son, though. He makes a big point of that when they're all having the argument at their home.

I really liked it. Maybe cause the characters are so great and it's nice revisiting them and seeing how they're getting on. It has a totally different vibe from the first film, which is good. If they'd tried to recapture that it just would have been embarrassing, like your dad dancing. Good soundtrack, too. Especially Wolf Alice and the moment they chose to play that song.

momatt

Quote from: Kolba on March 26, 2017, 04:20:55 AM
It's not his biological son, though. He makes a big point of that when they're all having the argument at their home.

What?  If this is true, I missed it completely.  Changes the dynamics a fair bit.

Wet Blanket

I think it is meant to be his actual son, he just makes a nasty crack about him probably being someone else's.

Otherwise why would he be bothered about inducting him in the robbing business etc?

momatt

That's what I thought.  It must have been a joke.

Repeater

It obviously was his son ffs

Glebe

I popped into Eason's on O' Connell Street here in Dublin last night for a quick look around and noticed they had seats set out downstairs... turns out Irvine Welsh was due to give a talk. I could have stuck around, but I was hungry and didn't want to leave myself running late to see Ghost in the Shell!

Serge

Yeah, 'The Blade Artist' has just come out in paperback. I've picked up a copy, as I'm intrigued - it's the first Irvine Welsh book I've bought since 'Porno' - but I'm not expecting to be blown away.

Small Man Big Horse

This is now available in the usual places. Can't say it did it for me personally, I didn't hate it but a lot of the time I felt quite bored and disconnected, and Spud was the only character I cared about. Bremner was fucking superb and felt so natural, whereas Ewan McGregor seemed oddly false to me, it's probably just me as I know most of this thread is pretty positive about the film, but I've issues with him in Fargo as well, and I don't lose myself in his performance as I did with the other actors.

amoral

I found this sad for the wrong reasons. Has any of these sequels to/revivals of 90's things not been disappointing?

mobias

Bought the blu-ray of this on Saturday and watching the film twice over the weekend, once with the audio commentary and once without. It really must go into a very small and select group of worthy movie sequels that are the equal of or indeed are better than the original film. Its just so beautifully directed and the writing and performances are stellar. One thing I found jarring about it as far as any improbability is concerned is that when Renton and Sick-Boy kick the shit out of each other in the pub neither has a single scar of bruise on them despite Renton being knocked unconscious. Presumably they couldn't be arsed with make up. Apparently McGregor had literally flown into Edinburgh that day and was taken straight to the set for his scene. It was the first thing he filmed. Danny Boyle insisted on them not using any of the usual actors make up whatsoever during any of the filming.

The commentary is quite interesting and entertaining. Apparently Jonny Lee Millar and  Robert Carlyle weren't legally allowed to made cast members because both are under long and very strict employment contracts with their US based TV shows they work on. Both of them made the film in their Summer holiday and only had 3 weeks to film all their scenes. They were unofficial cast members who's names didn't appear on any of the production scripts or paper work.

The famous 'choose life' speech that Renton gives whilst in the Harvey Nichols restaurant was a total afterthought and never appeared in any of the working scripts. Sounds like the version of the film they came very close to making back in 2012 would have been quite different and much more in keeping with the original in terms of its comic book styling and pace. They all felt the film needed to be more emotionally engaging so a new script was written. 

Repeater

I don't believe a word of that.

Hangthebuggers

29 deleted scenes here (I think they're included with the DVD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVDZOKf_Pyg

Icehaven

Quote from: Repeater on July 04, 2017, 08:01:10 AM
I don't believe a word of that.

Me neither. A reboot of the iconic speech was 'an afterthought'? No way.

mobias

#261
Quote from: icehaven on July 05, 2017, 07:41:49 PM
Me neither. A reboot of the iconic speech was 'an afterthought'? No way.

The version of it as it appears in the film was added late in the day to give it more emotional gravitas. It may well be a version of it in some form was always planned though. Ewan McGregor said he was taken aside and given his own personal copy of the script that included the speech and given strict instructions not to let anyone else know about it. None of the other actors had the speech in their working scripts. McGregor said he spent ages memorising it all word for word so he could do it all in one take and do it justice as one whole performance. 

Sounds like the stuff in the movie about Renton being estranged from his parents for years and not turning up for his Mum's funeral was taken from writer John Hodge's own personal experience, though he doesn't elaborate on it or go into much detail.

Quote from: Hangthebuggers on July 05, 2017, 07:41:30 PM
29 deleted scenes here (I think they're included with the DVD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVDZOKf_Pyg

I'm glad they cut all the extra stuff with Diane out. Its far better with her just having a short cameo. Also, the stuff with Begbie turning up at the house of his lawyer and keeping him hostage is all well over the top. I can see why they cut all that stuff out.   

Dr Rock

5/10. All the film's faults have been covered already I think. Compared to the first, it was often dull, while the first never had a dull moment, didn't see the point of Veronika, very few memorable scenes (I liked the sing-song bit), and I didn't buy that Spud was a publishable author, compared to his character in the first film. And Begbie was just The Terminator at the end, for a run of the mill action scene. Compare that with the pathos of Mark's betrayal in the first film, the whole thing added up to nothing much, but got by on the echoes from the first one. It didn't even manage to do 'how people change over 20 years' well in any decent way. Felt like it was done because there was a market for it, but the finished product was a pointless, forgettable mess really. I wish it had been better.

mobias

I bought the first film on blu-ray last week and gave it another viewing. Hadn't seen it in a while. The interesting effect the second film has on watching the first again is that it makes the death of Tommy far more poignant. One of my criticisms of the first film is that the death of Tommy is kind of blazed over as the film is really accelerating into its final act by that point. There's a bit in the second film where Spud is reading out his memories of Tommy's decline so it gives you much more of a glimpse into that sad story. There's the really bleak line from Spud in T2 'Tommy will not survive another Winter in West Granton'. 

the science eel

Quote from: Serge on April 07, 2017, 04:48:46 PM
Yeah, 'The Blade Artist' has just come out in paperback. I've picked up a copy, as I'm intrigued - it's the first Irvine Welsh book I've bought since 'Porno' - but I'm not expecting to be blown away.

He's been writing the same fucking book for 20-odd years. He's a charlatan.

The film was OK - it struck a nice tone, I thought - but it didn't leave you with much. Unlike the first which had a few memorable scenes.

Films for wee boys, tho'. Time wasting.

New Jack

Huh? Most of the criticism I see of Welsh is that he should stick to what he knows, eg. Books set in the states rather than Scatlin

I don't see the Blade Artist endpoint up as T3 though. It felt off.

Repeater

Reckon Veronica was there to give the viewers a perspective of a person who doesn't buy into these deluded idiots' view of the past. She's almost insultingly dismissing of their romanticism of the past. Quite rightly too.