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CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)

Started by NoSleep, August 21, 2016, 11:02:04 AM

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Labour members/supporters:  Who did you vote for?

Jeremy Corbyn
55 (61.8%)
Owen Smith
16 (18%)
An tSaoi
18 (20.2%)

Total Members Voted: 88

NoSleep

The official Corbyn Twelve thread. Don't be misled by cheap substitutes.

mook

mate! you elderly socialists ruin every fucker's fun

is it cos i used a german word in the title? & i know how corbs hate the EU

NoSleep

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/an-unelectable-extremist-who-hijacked-their-party-has-already-served-as-prime-minister-her-name-was-10482479.html

An unelectable extremist who hijacked their party has already served as prime minister – her name was Margaret Thatcher

"There's a leadership battle. The party is torn between left and right. A candidate considered unelectable unexpectedly wins, creating an ideological rift. The knives come out, with fears the party will never win an election again. But the new leader sticks to their guns. They doggedly push through, and cause the biggest ideological shift in the party's history.

The parallels between Margaret Thatcher's election as Tory leader in 1975, championing the New Right, and Jeremy Corbyn's unashamedly socialist takeover of Labour 40 years on, are striking."

Johnny Yesno


Absorb the anus burn


ZoyzaSorris

Im in, like Corbyn will be again in a few weeks.

Mr_Simnock

I wonder if Khan will continue to snipe or will there be some major back pedalling after Corbyn wins again?

NoSleep

I can't see they've left room for back-pedalling. Maybe the electorate in many parts of the country will find that their MP/Mayor is no longer a member of the party for whom they voted.

https://off-guardian.org/2016/08/21/thank-you-owen-smith-from-a-jeremy-corbyn-supporter/

Dr Rock

Quote from: NoSleep on August 21, 2016, 11:10:39 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/an-unelectable-extremist-who-hijacked-their-party-has-already-served-as-prime-minister-her-name-was-10482479.html

An unelectable extremist who hijacked their party has already served as prime minister – her name was Margaret Thatcher

"There's a leadership battle. The party is torn between left and right. A candidate considered unelectable unexpectedly wins, creating an ideological rift. The knives come out, with fears the party will never win an election again. But the new leader sticks to their guns. They doggedly push through, and cause the biggest ideological shift in the party's history.

The parallels between Margaret Thatcher's election as Tory leader in 1975, championing the New Right, and Jeremy Corbyn's unashamedly socialist takeover of Labour 40 years on, are striking."


I've been making this comparison for ages. Glad to see the media is finally catching up with me!

ZoyzaSorris

A coalition government followed by a tiny majority, an EU referendum - an eccentric opposition leader promising a major change in political direction from the common-sense consensus  - no there's no parallels at all!


NoSleep

Certain people are still chanting its mantras in this forum, so yes.

pillockandtwat

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/20/ditch-jeremy-corbyn-before-too-late-sadiq-khan-tells-labour

I'm still getting "comments will open Sunday morning" on Khan's betrayal piece in the Guardian Observer (which is far worse paper than the Guardian, actually).

They know.

ZoyzaSorris

Yes, the occasional feature worth reading still slips through the net at the Guardian but the Observer is unifomly immediate recycling-bin fodder. Looking forward to seeing what people have to say on the Khan debacle.


Dr Rock


TheFalconMalteser

Just was thinking about that argument I see online that MPs are accountable to members - they aren't - seeing stuff on facebook Corbyn threads.

My constituency is 70,000. The MP, Kate Green, got in with 24,000.

500,000 divided by 650 constituencies suggests there will be about 760 Labour members here.

24,000 voters.

760 members.

So I wonder, why on earth should my MP respond to 760 angry people? I know they pay subs, but they aren't being elected themselves to represent the 24,000, are they?

My CLP vote of support was about 70 vs 50.

24,000 voters.

70 people who went to a meeting.

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And yet you expect the entire party to be accountable to you personally, a single, solitary balding voter.

TheFalconMalteser

Quote from: Quote on August 21, 2016, 01:19:54 PM
And yet you expect the entire party to be accountable to you personally, a single, solitary balding voter.

Literally not what I said but ok.






Not bald.

Quote

It's what you imply with your every tedious utterance, that you know better than every Labour member and the (soon to be twice) elected leader.

So very bald.

TheFalconMalteser

Quote from: Quote on August 21, 2016, 01:24:25 PM
It's what you imply with your every tedious utterance, that you know better than every Labour member and the (soon to be twice) elected leader.

So very bald.

Sorry, let's be clear - I know better than you Quote.  You individually.

Certainly not my 24,000 fellow voters here, I've barely met a handful of them.

Fair point though isn't it re. representation, when you put the numbers like that?  24,000 vs 70 people at a CLP meeting.


Not bald - hairy, a sexy head of hairy hair.

Milverton

Quote from: Dr Rock on August 21, 2016, 12:46:40 PM
I've been making this comparison for ages. Glad to see the media is finally catching up with me!

She came to power in 1979 after the country was run into the ground by the unions allowed free rein by an incompetent, weak Labour leadership. Many still haven't forgotten that.

She then defeated a unilateralist socialist Labour in a landslide in 1983, she wasn't the unilateralist socialist candidate herself. I know that victory has also been revised in socialist history to be solely about the Falklands, but that is straw clutching too. Foot was unelectable, and Benn virtually at his trouble making zenith. By the way, one of the highlights of these threads, averaging one a month over the highly successful leadership of Corbyn, was the reimagining of Foot as a proto-Blairite. I can't recall who was involved, by it still makes me chuckle.

Thatcher also supported NATO and the nuclear deterrent and wasn't overly keen on terrorists, plus despite noises off, her entire PLP kept quiet until 1990, fifteen years into her leadership. Labour, if you recall, didn't even get to fifteen months. 

Buelligan

Quote from: Quote on August 21, 2016, 01:19:54 PM
And yet you expect the entire party to be accountable to you personally, a single, solitary balding voter.

I think the entire party should be in the thrall of entitled people like Mandy, Margaret Hodge, Mi5 and armaments manufacturers.  No I don't, I'm actually lying, I think we should throw them all into the sea and live happily ever after.  Why not eh?  Let's have some fun for a change.

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How many terrorists did Thatcher arm? How many right wing dictators? How many death squads were funded between her and her partner in senility Ronald Reagan?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/tories-have-forgotten-that-thatcher-wasnt-just-a-terrorist-sympathiser-but-close-friends-with-one-10507850.html

TheFalconMalteser

Quote from: Quote on August 21, 2016, 01:41:42 PM
How many terrorists did Thatcher arm? How many right wing dictators? How many death squads were funded between her and her partner in senility Ronald Reagan?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/tories-have-forgotten-that-thatcher-wasnt-just-a-terrorist-sympathiser-but-close-friends-with-one-10507850.html

What point are you even making here?  That Thatcher was bad?

MATE COME ON PLEASE TRY HARDER.

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I was quite clearly replying to the other cunt.

Yet again simple basic comprehension is beyond you, TFM. Much like the generation of new hair follicals on your scabby forehead.

Milverton

Quote from: Quote on August 21, 2016, 01:24:25 PM
It's what you imply with your every tedious utterance, that you know better than every Labour member and the (soon to be twice) elected leader.

So very bald.

You can keep electing Corbyn. Who cares? He isn't getting into Number 10.

He thinks he's going to forge a socialist grassroots movement through his proxy Momentum re-education classes for the masses. Like the Moonies I'm sure he'll grab a few acolytes along the way, but unless he gains power the problem he faces is that he won't be able to impose re-education classes on the electorate or encourage the denouncing of parents and so on, both vital to the control of the state. If he can't do that nor can he kill the intellectuals, round up his political enemies and declare a year zero. These things have to be in place. There is no shortcut.

To get into power he needs an armed revolt, something I know some of you support. Until you are invited to start it, obvs. It is possible Adams and McGuinness still have access to some of the arms bought with Kremlin money from the Libyans. Perhaps that is why he has kept them so close to his heart.

TheFalconMalteser

Quote from: Quote on August 21, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
I was quite clearly replying to the other cunt.

Yet again simple basic comprehension is beyond you, TFM. Much like the generation of new hair follicals on your scabby forehead.

Are you saying it's ok if Corbyn has any associations like that because Thatcher?

Are you saying that the conditions and mass electoral appeal are the same for Conservative and Labour politicians?  Or between 1979 and 2020?

ZoyzaSorris

Quote from: Milverton on August 21, 2016, 01:36:35 PM
Thatcher also supported NATO and the nuclear deterrent and wasn't overly keen on terrorists, plus despite noises off, her entire PLP kept quiet until 1990, fifteen years into her leadership. Labour, if you recall, didn't even get to fifteen months.

I suggest you google Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. I'm not sure if you regard the Khmer Rouge as terrorists but she supported them, too.

TheFalconMalteser

Corbynism is the absolute model of Weberian "charismatic authority".

The problem for Corbyn is that he isn't very charismatic.  At best, his charisma is rather a niche taste.