Poll

Labour members/supporters:  Who did you vote for?

Jeremy Corbyn
55 (61.8%)
Owen Smith
16 (18%)
An tSaoi
18 (20.2%)

Total Members Voted: 88

Author Topic: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)  (Read 53110 times)

Still Not George

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #900 on: August 26, 2016, 02:57:52 PM »
Yes. It is. Paul Calf was using gayness as an insult. And under any other circumstances you'd all be screaming blue murder. But TFM is unpopular, so you think that makes it OK, and massive hypocrisy be damned.

(Ironically, of course, I wouldn't give a toss if you called me a rent boy. Because I'm openly non-straight on the board, so you wouldn't be calling me gay as an insult. It's funny how these things work out.)

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« Reply #901 on: August 26, 2016, 02:58:55 PM »
the PC and gender-neutral 'gutter prostitute' in future, please.

ZoyzaSorris

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #902 on: August 26, 2016, 02:59:58 PM »
Yes. It is. Paul Calf was using gayness as an insult. And under any other circumstances you'd all be screaming blue murder. But TFM is unpopular, so you think that makes it OK, and massive hypocrisy be damned.

(Ironically, of course, I wouldn't give a toss if you called me a rent boy. Because I'm openly non-straight on the board, so you wouldn't be calling me gay as an insult. It's funny how these things work out.)

What the fuck are you on about? It was clearly a comment on being a craven whore, nothing to do with gayness. You really do like to be contrary don't you fella! This place.

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« Reply #903 on: August 26, 2016, 03:00:44 PM »
If anything it's that the term disparages sex workers that is problematic aaaaah. And only I thought of that so I'm the best.

Queneau

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #904 on: August 26, 2016, 03:03:48 PM »
And I see Queneau, just as stupid, who wants to have a discussion about the etymology of rent boy.

I wouldn't claim to be stupid (who would?) but I certainly didn't want a discussion about the etymology of rent boy. I don't really know how long you've been a member, and I've been away quite a while, but this used to be a place where I could chuck some light hearted messages around and get some back. It was also an attempt to defuse the tone of the thread a little bit because it seems to be getting a bit heated and not too nice.


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« Reply #905 on: August 26, 2016, 03:06:49 PM »
Yes. It is. Paul Calf was using gayness as an insult. And under any other circumstances you'd all be screaming blue murder. But TFM is unpopular, so you think that makes it OK, and massive hypocrisy blah blah blah

Okay. So you're doubling up on this. I thought you were a sensible person. Obviously this gamer hate thing you got involved with has affected you to the point where you can't forgive the forum for its collective hypocrisy and thus you'll take any opportunity, however feeble, to avenge yourself.

I give up. I really thought you were a sensible person, but it's actually still all about you isn't it? About what's been done to you.

Sad. But then the whole place is sad. It's now just pointless grievances flowing and congealing under an impenetrable surface. I should go somewhere where people talk.

Speaking of which I should spare some time to get back to Large Noise.

Still Not George

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #906 on: August 26, 2016, 03:07:26 PM »
Either this a place where we wring our hands over every last microaggression Lest It Scare Them Away, or it's not.

What it shouldn't be is a place where using gayness as an insult is fine as long as it's targeted at an unpopular person.

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #907 on: August 26, 2016, 03:08:35 PM »
Voted for Corbyn last night. I don't believe he has any chance of winning an election unless the Tories have a full blown meltdown, but that's as much - if not more - to do with the disgusting way the PLP have behaved, and will continue to behave, than his own incompetence and unsuitability for the leadership role.   

My reasons for voting Corbyn are:

  • Smith doesn't have any more chance of winning, and any votes he gains from the centre (on his alleged left wing platform?) will be balanced by the loss of union, left wing and youth support. It would also result in an even worse sense of disillusionment from those groups, leading to even bigger problems for Labour down the road.
  • On a presentation level, Smith is himself very unimpressive. Better than Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown, but a long way behind Cameron, Blair or May, in terms of delivery and presence.
  • It's the democratic thing to do. Corbyn won a huge mandate last year and the PLP have never given him a chance. The way they set him up to fail, the way they executed this leadership challenge, the way they talk about the membership, all show that they have no respect for anyone but themselves. A leadership challenge isn't inherently undemocratic, but this one was without a doubt.
  • Similar to the last point; I refuse to be bullied by these people. If they hadn't acted so disgracefully in the last few months (or the last year), maybe I'd have been more willing to vote for one of them. The membership needs to send them a message.
  • Corbyn, despite his many faults, will be our only chance at any kind of left wing government/coalition in the next few decades. If he get's ousted, or loses a general election, there's no chance of someone as left wing as him ever being nominated again; even one whose far more capable and saavy.
  • On a purely emotional level, it feels like the right thing to do. Faced with these two far from ideal options, Corbyn represents what is good in this world, Smith (and in particular, his masters) represent all that is corrupt and cynical. I could never, in good conscience, vote for that.

Ultimately, and as I've said before, I think Labour are fucked either way now. No matter what happens, the Party will remain at war, tearing strips off itself in the public eye, and making themselves completely unelectable. The party will split, losing either a huge section of the membership, it's funding and it's voters, or a small section of their MP's.

If I truly believed that Smith had a chance of winning a general election that Corbyn could not, I'd swallow the bitter pill and vote for him. But he won't. He doesn't have a chance. In which case, I might as well back the man who has the mandate, whose carried himself with dignity, and who at least matches my political beliefs and won't sell them out at the first sniff of bad press. Corbyn is no saint, and he's no great leader either. Sadly, his political opponents are even worse.

Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #908 on: August 26, 2016, 03:09:41 PM »
Yes but SNG that isn't what has happened here, is it? Anyway... Apologies. Post above better.

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #909 on: August 26, 2016, 03:11:11 PM »
Yes. It is. Paul Calf was using gayness as an insult.

I thought you spent much of your time railing against this sort of false accusation. What happened?

And what term would you suggest is used in future to describe a man who sells himself cheaply?

Queneau

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« Reply #910 on: August 26, 2016, 03:13:24 PM »
And what term would you suggest is used in future to describe a man who sells himself cheaply?

Tony Blair?

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #911 on: August 26, 2016, 03:17:08 PM »
Great guys. Do you think you could flesh this rent boy thing out so that there's 10 more pages all about the troll?

mook

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #912 on: August 26, 2016, 03:24:03 PM »
Great guys. Do you think you could flesh this rent boy thing out so that there's 10 more pages all about the troll?

he was attacked very unpleasantly though. can we settle on seven pages detailing the abuse levied at a long standing contributor of the webpages cookd&indeedbombd. or just forget it ever happened? what says you nosleep. please remember that the "rent boy" comment was posted by the poster behind "ashbury."


Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #913 on: August 26, 2016, 03:25:12 PM »
It's not supposed to be fruity or spicy. Notwithstanding your advanced age and balding pate, you are someone with opinions sacrificed to the cause of furthering your career in political communications management. The worst kind of whore: a political ad-man. A political rent boy. You prostrate and abase yourself before those you perceive to have power in exchange for personal gain. It is a genuine criticism of what you imagine to be your character.

You're just fucking dismal. A failed human being.

Regardless of being right or wrong in saying 'rent boy', my honeymoon was a million times better than yours, PC.

Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #914 on: August 26, 2016, 03:25:55 PM »
But then the whole place is sad.

Yes, I agree. It was much more jolly when you were doing what you do best, sniffing out Jews and then using accusations of homosexuality as an insult. I can't wait to see which minority is next in line.

Remind me why the mother of your child was worried about you sharing a house with other men.

Did you really lose a boyfriend when he converted to Islam?

Why do you keep going on about people's mothers?

Why do you never mention your own father?

Why are your relationships with women all failures?

Gyms? American football uniforms? Frequent references to your appearance? Agonizing delusions? Hello?



Queneau

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #915 on: August 26, 2016, 03:26:08 PM »
I quite like this from Quora. Never heard of it before either. Anyway, it talks about why Chelsea fans are called rent boys. Then includes this paragraph on more recent times:

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And since Roman Abramovich took over the club in 2003, the club has had a massive influx of money and they have been heavily investing in world-class players since then. Chelsea FC as a whole, do not have the same glorious past of clubs like Manchester United or Liverpool. So rival fans hypothesize that the money is the only motivation for a player who wants to join Chelsea. Therefore any player who could have opted for a more traditional club but instead joins Chelsea, is branded a 'rent boy'.

Oh, perhaps I do want to talk about it after all.

Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #916 on: August 26, 2016, 03:27:57 PM »
grubby little rent boy
grubby little rent boy?
grubby little rent boy?
grubby little rent boy?
grubby little rent boy?
grubby little rent boy?
grubby little rent boy?
grubby little rent boy?
grubby little rent boy?
grubby little rent boy?
grubby little rent boy?


Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #917 on: August 26, 2016, 03:30:38 PM »
The "rentboy" comment was surely implying that he's paid to post a Zionist viewpoint?

Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #918 on: August 26, 2016, 03:31:47 PM »
Paul Calf's talking about rent boys on his honeymoon.

I warned him the marriage was doomed.....

Buelligan

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #919 on: August 26, 2016, 03:53:26 PM »
Voted for Corbyn last night. I don't believe he has any chance of winning an election unless the Tories have a full blown meltdown, but that's as much - if not more - to do with the disgusting way the PLP have behaved, and will continue to behave, than his own incompetence and unsuitability for the leadership role.   

My reasons for voting Corbyn are:

  • Smith doesn't have any more chance of winning, and any votes he gains from the centre (on his alleged left wing platform?) will be balanced by the loss of union, left wing and youth support. It would also result in an even worse sense of disillusionment from those groups, leading to even bigger problems for Labour down the road.
  • On a presentation level, Smith is himself very unimpressive. Better than Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown, but a long way behind Cameron, Blair or May, in terms of delivery and presence.
  • It's the democratic thing to do. Corbyn won a huge mandate last year and the PLP have never given him a chance. The way they set him up to fail, the way they executed this leadership challenge, the way they talk about the membership, all show that they have no respect for anyone but themselves. A leadership challenge isn't inherently undemocratic, but this one was without a doubt.
  • Similar to the last point; I refuse to be bullied by these people. If they hadn't acted so disgracefully in the last few months (or the last year), maybe I'd have been more willing to vote for one of them. The membership needs to send them a message.
  • Corbyn, despite his many faults, will be our only chance at any kind of left wing government/coalition in the next few decades. If he get's ousted, or loses a general election, there's no chance of someone as left wing as him ever being nominated again; even one whose far more capable and saavy.
  • On a purely emotional level, it feels like the right thing to do. Faced with these two far from ideal options, Corbyn represents what is good in this world, Smith (and in particular, his masters) represent all that is corrupt and cynical. I could never, in good conscience, vote for that.

Ultimately, and as I've said before, I think Labour are fucked either way now. No matter what happens, the Party will remain at war, tearing strips off itself in the public eye, and making themselves completely unelectable. The party will split, losing either a huge section of the membership, it's funding and it's voters, or a small section of their MP's.

If I truly believed that Smith had a chance of winning a general election that Corbyn could not, I'd swallow the bitter pill and vote for him. But he won't. He doesn't have a chance. In which case, I might as well back the man who has the mandate, whose carried himself with dignity, and who at least matches my political beliefs and won't sell them out at the first sniff of bad press. Corbyn is no saint, and he's no great leader either. Sadly, his political opponents are even worse.

Absolutely on the nail, Kelvin.  I'd karma you if I had any but I'm sure your eternal soul will receive its reward in the sweet, sweet, socialist paradise we will build on votes like yours. 

Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #920 on: August 26, 2016, 03:57:24 PM »
TFM: Labour are fucked.    Rent Boy!!!

Milv: Labour are fucked.     MI5!!!

Kelv: Labour are fucked.    At last, a sensible post!!!



(Full disclosure. I think Labour are fucked)

mook

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #921 on: August 26, 2016, 04:05:17 PM »
what a week, first corbs can't works a train properly & now it turns out his arch nemesis can't handle a bicycle. SHAMBLES

Buelligan

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #922 on: August 26, 2016, 04:06:23 PM »
He shouldn't have irritated me.

Still Not George

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« Reply #923 on: August 26, 2016, 04:06:34 PM »
I thought you spent much of your time railing against this sort of false accusation. What happened?

Presumes a) this was actually a false accusation and b) that I don't rail against other examples of blatant hypocrisy on this forum. The former is a matter of argument; the latter is pretty clearly not the case.

I'd prefer a forum where people called each other whatever they want and posted anything they like, and once upon a time long ago this was that forum. But now it is not. And that's sad. But I'll be fucked if I'll stand by and let people break their own mealy-mouthed rules solely when dealing with unpopular people. That's not just hypocrisy, that's bullying shite and you know it.

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #924 on: August 26, 2016, 04:07:01 PM »
he was attacked very unpleasantly though. can we settle on seven pages detailing the abuse levied at a long standing contributor of the webpages cookd&indeedbombd. or just forget it ever happened? what says you nosleep. please remember that the "rent boy" comment was posted by the poster behind "ashbury."

Ashbury de la Douche?

Still Not George

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #925 on: August 26, 2016, 04:08:30 PM »
(Full disclosure. I think Labour are fucked)

Thing about being fucked, though? Oh, the afterglow.

Queneau

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #926 on: August 26, 2016, 04:17:42 PM »
what a week, first corbs can't works a train properly & now it turns out his arch nemesis can't handle a bicycle. SHAMBLES

Couldn't have happened to a bigger arsehole. What's that? Is a Corbyn supporter wishing pain on a tax-dodging tosser who also receives government hand outs? Let's see me get suspended from the Labour Party then.

The Daily Mail is reporting that one member has been denied a vote for something she posted on social media on a particular date. According to the article she made two posts relating to veganism and one which read, "I fucking love the Foo Fighters." Absolutely ridiculous display from the side calling for unity.

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #927 on: August 26, 2016, 04:18:52 PM »
TFM: Labour are fucked.    Rent Boy!!!

Milv: Labour are fucked.     MI5!!!

Kelv: Labour are fucked.    At last, a sensible post!!!

This is like that day all nuance and context was removed.

Buelligan

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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #928 on: August 26, 2016, 04:22:43 PM »
Ashbury de la Douche?

Probably on a tenner a day and I know what for: Two pound ten a tit and a fiver for his arse.


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Re: CORBYN TWELVE (you know where to put your mark)
« Reply #929 on: August 26, 2016, 04:26:35 PM »
This is like that day all nuance and context was removed.

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