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[Muso] Guitars & Gear!

Started by Des Nilsen, February 17, 2004, 07:21:17 PM

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Spiteface



I wouldn't mind one of these in a sunburst. In fact when I'm finished over here in France, I should have enough money left to buy one!

Frinky

I had one of those in sunburst!

They're really ace guitars. The Epiphone semis are a lot closer to thier Gibson counterparts than the Epi solids are.

El Unicornio, mang

Quote from: "DevlinC"
The drawback? £3000.

That and the fact it looks bloody awful.

Quote from: "The Unicorn"
Quote from: "DevlinC"
The drawback? £3000.

That and the fact it looks bloody awful.

You are wrong, it looks amazing.

There's a non day-glow one for those who are scared of too much change too soon. It's the only thing that isn't a fucking Les Paul or Strat copy in the world, and one day all guitars will be like it. MARK MY WORDS.

El Unicornio, mang

Each to their own, I suppose. It just looks to me like one of those awful 80s guitars with no head and a weird body, like that nasty-ass one McFly plays at the beginning of BTTF, or the one Ian Curtis used to play:



I'm just not into novelty-shaped guitars, I prefer the classic styles

Well, you'd better have one of these instead then...



El Unicornio, mang

Fuck me. The only purpose I can think of for something like that is to produce these kinds of sounds:
http://www.theunicornden.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Dokken.SWF

Frinky

Isn;t Ian playing a Vox Teardrop? They were quite cool...

Frinky

I couldn't find any more appropriate place to put these, I hope someone else appreciates the juciness of them as I do...

What does £2 Million worth of gear look like?



A pair of 1959 Les Paul Standards, both of which were Jimmy Page's live workhorses throughout his career with Zeppelin and his solo stuff. His Number 1 is on the left, aquired in 69, I believe. Number 2, his backup, appeared in 75. He still uses them both. Although they look different colours, they both started the same - cherry sunburst - and faded differently. On stage it's frequently impossible to tell which one is which bar a few minor battle scars. If these were just any old 59s, last time I checked they'd be worth about £150,000 each - but with the history attached to them, they're worth at least £1m a piece.

Jimmy himself thinks that his Number 1 is a 1958, and a lot of magazines say that, but I know that's wrong. ;)



A close up of No 1. Jimmy replaced the tuners on both his Les Pauls, as well as shaving the neck nice and thin to match the profile of his 1960 Les Paul Custom (which I'm raking photos of out now). Notice the extra thick metal Jackplate on there... Jimmy's prancing broke the plates several times, so the huge one was needed.



One of Jimmy's back gardens. 2 LPs, 2 Teles, 2 Strats. The 2 LPs are the ones above, the brown Telecaster was used in late Zeppelin days and his live stuff with other bands. The Sunburst Strat was used a lot on the "Houses of The Holy" recording sessions, and the Lake Placid Blue one can be seen live on the 79 Knebworth footage from the recent DVD. The cream Telecaster was a recording guitar, from fairly early Zep days. No idea on the years of the Fenders, although I think they're fairly vintage pieces. All of them, without celeb ownership, are worth in the £10-15,000 mark.



The cream Tele... the round disc shape is part of the Parsons-White B-Bender, which, as you pull the guitar down on the strap, bends the B-String. Mostly used for country stuff, Jimmy had this fitted to a number of his guitars. I think this guitar recorded a lot of stuff on Led Zeppelin II.



"Botswana Brown" Telecaster, again, from the group shot. Used a fair bit live with The Firm and I think it was used on the Page/Plant Walking Into Coverdale stuff.

A Passing Turk Slipper

Wow, those are lovely. What is the most money ever spent on a guitar then, and what was the guitar?

Frinky

No idea. I know that a left-handed 59 Les Paul - of which three were made (one owned by Paul McCartney and the other by Tennis Angry Man John McEnroe), sold for $450,000 the other month cos it was so rare. I'm sure there are Custom made ones that go for a lot more than that, though.

Clapton has a few of his original Strats and a cherry Gibson 335 from his Cream days up for auction - I'd imagine the Blackie strat would be worth £1m as well.

But like I say, I'm sure there's plenty with Gold and diamonds inlaid into them and suchforth that would be worth a hell of a lot more.

Des Nilsen

Quote from: "Frinky"Do you ever go on the forums there, Des?

I have to say I spend far too much time there myself, I think I've topped over 500 posts....

Nope, I've not been to the forums at GG. I might pop in though - at the minute I'm floating about on the harmony-central effects boards.
Nice set O'pics on the £2 million gear bundle by the way. Impressive.

Aside from my fancy humbuckered Tele and my jangly Jazzmaster I'm only really after a standard strat with a maple fretboard. I wanted to get a classic series 70's strat, but I'm sort of tired already with Fender's vintage stuff.
My Jazzmaster has those awful old tuning pegs that slip the string end out if you're not too careful or use heavier string guages.
I'm sure a standard strat will sound just as good as any reissue. I've played a few (every time I try a pedal at the music shop) and I love the feel of the maple fretboarded ones.

Edit: Here's something I'd like... Fender Satin Stratocaster.

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Spiteface

Quote from: "A Passing Turk Slipper"Wow, those are lovely. What is the most money ever spent on a guitar then, and what was the guitar?

I may be wrong, but aren't Jerry Garcia's Custom-made guitars the most expensive ever sold at auction?

Although it could be Clapton's "Blackie" soon. He's auctioning that off now.

NattyDread

Quote from: "Gazeuse"This is my weapon of choice...



You are in Aswad, and I claim my £5.

phoresy

Has anyone got experience of playing with scalloped freats and normal frets? I've been playing a Malmsteen Strat exclusively for about ten years now and when I play a 'normal' guitar it just feels weird and awkward.

And has anyone really compared a Pod (one of the expensive ones) with a V-amp2? I bought a V-amp the other day and the distotrted amp sounds are great and probably all I'll ever need (although the general effects are not as good as those on my Korg AX30). I'm guessing in a live situation there can't be that muchof a noticable difference between the V-amp and the Pod.

Quote from: "phoresy"I'm guessing in a live situation there can't be that muchof a noticable difference between the V-amp and the Pod.

Live, the POD was shit. I tried using it so I could cut out the expense of buying an amp but it just sounded processed and unrealistic. A Pod Pro or one of the new Pods might be better for this, I don't know, but I have to say I also find the distortions on the POD just in a studio to be rather shit. I don't know what happened, it used to have a great crunch sound and now it's just not there.

So I bought an amp (see earlier posting) and haven't played live for over a year. Oh well.

phoresy

I've never liked amp distortions. Probably because I like a  highly distorted and compressed dual rectifier type sound which I can't get from my Peavey Bandit and Selmer.  


...Anyway, I've wanted these since I was 14 and I still do.


and


..and most of all

Nah, you don't want a JEM. Goes out of tune with the slightest brush against the.... (shit I've forgotten what those things are called... Floyd Rose?).

The Parkers... hmm.. I wasn't that impressed to be honest. Very light, which is in some ways a good thing but the neck didn't feel very smooth. The best neck I've ever played is on my Godin LGXT - http://www.godinguitars.com. Check that out.

Gazeuse

Quote from: "NattyDread"
Quote from: "Gazeuse"
You are in Aswad, and I claim my £5.
Hehe...Actually my rasta pants fell apart last year. Daevid Allen has one too.

I use a POD II and I find it fantastic for studio use. Every guitar part I play goes through it. I toyed with getting a bass POD, but decided on DI'ing it with a bit of compression and EQ. Btw, that's a Hohner Steinberger 5-string too!!!

phoresy

I've never really tried out any of those guitars even though I've seen them all here in the Cardiff music shops. For some reason I've always just liked the look of the Parker and I'm fairly sure Reeves Gabrels played one on 'Outside' (although don't quote me on that). The Jem's just a hangover from my widdle worshipping days, long gone now...

I've been playing the same guitar for so long now I'm not sure if I could still really tell a good one fom a bad, unless there was a fairly significant difference between them. That synth function on the XT's looks interesting though, I could quite happily faff around playing with that for a bit.

phoresy

and I also wouldn't mind *that* Zappa guitar.


Spiteface



Bought this on thursday. beautiful.

Goldentony

my guitar is shite, an SG copy made be Vintage, hopefully one day when i get a job i can get me hands on a decent SG, gibsons too costly so an epiphone in a lovely black would be perfect

i dont have too many effects, a zoom 707 II multi fx, and a BOSS os2 overdrive distortion pedal

effects id sell my arse for:
BOSS mt2 metal zone
ProCo Turbo Rat
DOD Buzz Box
Danelectro Pb+J Delay
BOSS Ps-3 Pitchshifter Delay
Digitech Whammy
BOSS Ph-2 Phaser
Dunlop Crybaby
Boss DD-2 Delay

not that many im sure you'll agree........

Frinky

Quote from: "Des Nilsen"There's a great site called Guitargeek, where you can view these very cool looking drawings of various artist's live guitar and effect rigs.
Here's Kurt Cobain's from the 1994 In Utero tour.

I've just sold off all the gear that I own, bar the Les Paul and my Flanger and Bow, with the mind to wipe the slate clean and start over.

Here's the projected rig:



By the end of the week, I should have the Tele and the first of two Rats. The amp is a bit of a joke, it's just what Captain Coxon uses, and he's used two of those to break my face, and I love them. Not sure what amp I'll get, that comes last. All this rig assemblage is exciting.

Frinky

Quote from: "Spiteface"Bought this on thursday. beautiful.

I had one identical to that. I sold it pretty quick to finance the Gibsons, but I remember it being ace.

Quote from: "Goldentony"my guitar is shite, an SG copy made be Vintage, hopefully one day when i get a job i can get me hands on a decent SG, gibsons too costly so an epiphone in a lovely black would be perfect

Get a good, secondhand Gibson SG. Epiphone make good Semis, but thier solidbodies, in my experience, are all tosh. I've owned two Epi LPs, an Epi SG, an Epi V and the above mentioned Dot. The Dot was the only good guitar.

A used SG from the states can be about £500ish, before import tax. That's great money, and its really worth saving.

A Passing Turk Slipper

How much is your Telecaster going to cost you Frinky? I've wanted one for ages and I'm looking to buy one in a couple of months when I have the cash. Also, is that theremin your going to get an Etherwave? I was going to get one a while ago but they were a bit too pricey, especially in the few UK shops that sell them. Sorry about all these questions, most of my posts nowadays consist of me asking loads of irritating questions.

Des Nilsen

Good luck on your intended new setup Frinky. Looks a good 'un.

I thought I ought to link a fabulous website run by a big David Gilmour fan who tries to recreate certain sounds with his modern effects - both different takes on older pedals and reissues.
He has some great sound samples. I've only just started listening to them, but they're impressive.

Gilmourish.com/

My own playing/ gear ramble:
I've been mucking around on my 4-track for the last few months and my guitar playing has thankfully recovered from my knocks to my hands and the neglectful work hours of my warehouse job last year. I still play without a pick, and can create some lovely warm pinch harmonics with my index finger.
Also, I've realised the benefits of keeping an overall mix dry. Reverb on everything sounds terrible.
I love the sound of a clean, dry, electric sound set to an out of phase pickup position (single-coils) and with a hint of slow flange. Aaaaah.

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Frinky

Quote from: "A Passing Turk Slipper"How much is your Telecaster going to cost you Frinky?

Erm, I dunno. I'll tell you when the auction finishes ;)

It's a Japanese Telecaster, which I reckon are as good as the American ones and are better than the Mexcians. I've got my old Jap Tele from page one on eBay now. I'm hoping to get £420 on it (that's the buy it now price, anyway). If you're gonna get a Fender, it may as well be a Jap or USA one (nothing wrong at all with the Mexis, but the other two are better). I reckon I'll pay about £400-£450 for it, which, given the quality of the woods/construction/hardware, is a bargain, given over here a USA Tele Re-issue can be about £800. Two compounding factors here, name brand snobbery (people don't realise how good the Jap guitars are), and, super-good conversion rate for us.

What kind of 'Caster are you Aster (after)?

If I was gonna buy a new Fender, I'd get it from here:

http://ishibashi.co.jp/webshop/world/guitar/fender-j/

Add about £70 for shipping, but get a load of those prices. A 62-style Telecaster for £260? Daddy! These are brand new, not-available elsewhere in the world MIJ Fenders. Fender don't let them sell them elsewhere becuase they're as good as the USA models, but are on average, £500 less. The shop only operates via bank transfer, but that's not as hard as it seems. I know they're a Japanese store but they do a great deal of selling to outside of Japan, the staff are really, really helpful by email, and will go out of thier way to make you happy. My last Tele came from there, and I know loads of people who've bought from there.

I'm not a huge Fender guy, really, only like Telecasters, but in my experience, the Jap Fenders from there are probably the best value guitars out there, by any manufacturer.

Edit:

£300, more or less, gets you this:

http://ishibashi.co.jp/webshop/world/guitar/fender-j/tl/tl62b75tx.htm


What it should look like, I'm not sure if the Jap ones have one binding strip round the side or two...

American made pickups (better than the Jap ones, since those models deliberatly have cheaper PUPs to fit into the relevant price points), bound body (looks dead nice on a Tele), available in Sunburst, Candy Apple Red, and Black. With an Alder body and Rosewood neck, it's pretty much identical to Jimmy Page's Zep Telecaster, if that helps. I was actually going for this before deciding on my current Tele of choice. All I can say is you won't be dissapointed with the stuff they sell.

Quote from: "A Passing Turk Slipper"Also, is that theremin your going to get an Etherwave? I was going to get one a while ago but they were a bit too pricey, especially in the few UK shops that sell them.

Nah, it'll be no surprise to anyone (I guess), that I'm getting one based on Page's Theremin, which, I understand is a simpler design than most. I did have one similar but it broke, so I'm after a new one now. This one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41419&item=3730058363&rd=1

About £80.

Quote from: "Des Nilsen"...with a hint of slow flange. Aaaaah.

Yeah, I recentley discovered the joys of slow flanging, but, rather differently to you, on reverb-laden humbuckers ;)

A Passing Turk Slipper

Well Telecasters have always been my favourite guitars but I don't actually know a huge amount about them so I'm not sure what kind I'm going to get. I was going to do a bit of research and see what the benefits are of each type before I go shopping for one. Which type would you recommend getting, and why have you chosen the one you have? That Japanese site looks brilliant though, thanks a lot for that - those prices are unbelievable. There must be people who have bought pretty much the same guitars from places in Britain and America for 500 quid more. I was just going to try and get one off Ebay for around £400 but if that site is as good as you say it is it would be worth going to the extra trouble to order new from there. That theremin's interesting as well, how do you control the volume on it without the second antenna?

Frinky

I chose the one I did because, current Tele:



Future Tele:



These two are about as different as you can get. Mine (the one on eBay), is a 52 Style one - it has 3 brass bridge saddles, tall vintage style frets and a maple fingerboard. This adds up to quite a stiff guitar to play, much better suited to country licks, fingerpicking, twanging, etc. I liked it for a little while. It's also very light, which, as a full time Les Paul player, I actually find rather annoying, I like hefty guitars. The Blue one has a wider, flatter neck, wider, "jumbo" frets, a less tense bridge, and a nice rosewood board - which basically means a more relaxed feel. The top one is generally quite quite bright and twangy, and becuase it's so light and resonant, no amount of distortion can really make it heavy - it's some guitarists dream guitar, just not mine. The Blue one is better suited to that whole "chuggachuggachugga" tone, which is what I'm after.

Play stuff in shops near you - get a feel for whether you prefer Maple or Rosewood boarded ones, and then get one from Ishibiashi that matches what you're after. The 62-style ones are the most popular, I've found. However, that could be because Bruce Springsteen also plays a 52, and no-one wants to be Bruce Springsteen. There are a lot more types of Tele than the 52 and the 62, but Ishibiashi seems to pretty much stock those types, and they're the two most different ones. Some specialist shops will import them for you, but you'll still pay about £100 more than you would doing it yourself.

As for the Theremin - well, you don't control volume. Page had his at a preset volume, so he could play it one handed while making noise on his guitar. A bit limiting, but I could never cope with the two hands thing. s*****c I am.