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"Fake Cartoons"

Started by Quincey, March 27, 2017, 12:24:20 PM

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Quincey

Latest moral panic is children seeing cartoons that pretend to be their favourite characters but horrible things happen. While no child should have to see Peppa Pig set fire to a house, shouldn't parents supervise young children on the internet?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-39394624

YouTube should do more to remove this content though. The site seems fairly useless at removing actually offensive content.

Twed

They're not fakes though are they? They're not Peppa Pig forgeries, passed off as real. They're parodies or takes.

Why should[nb]ignoring the necessities of intellectual property law[/nb] YouTube delete them on moral grounds? Should your Photoshops be removed from the Internet?

Sorry parents, you might have to do a little vetting before sitting your horrible children down in front of the laptop to watch some pirated Peppa Pig episodes next time.

Quincey

YouTubes rules prohibit "graphic violence" or "disgusting or disturbing video footage" - so getting rid of the more graphic videos is in line with their policies, though how disgusting or disturbing is defined I don't know. There's more on the story here - where the BBC claims that while some are clearly parodies, others "both contain disturbing content and can pass for the real thing."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-39381889

Calling your channel "Toys and funny kids surprise eggs" muddies the waters as well. Perhaps an alternative is for parody videos/channels to be more clearly labelled.

BlodwynPig


madhair60

I saw a Trap Door on YouTube where the thing upstairs shouted BERRRRK YOU'RE A CUNT, that really was very funny but I suspect now that it may have been a "fake cartoon".

Shit Good Nose

This sort of thing has been going on for years, where people have edited or dubbed kids shows for comedic effect, so why everyone's getting in a tizz about it now is weird.

I used to thoroughly enjoy one YT user's minimal audio edits of the CBeebies show Topsy and Tim (the more recent live action one, not the old cartoon).  All they did was take a normal episode and just partially bleep certain words so it made Topsy and Tim sound like they were little potty mouths.  But they didn't do anything else with the show at all, just those bleeps. 

Fucking Beeb kept getting them removed, though, and I guess the YT user gave up in the end.  Shame.

madhair60

I'm very proud that my asinine edit of the Rosie and Jim intro comes up when you google "Rosie and Jim intro".

brat-sampson

I mean it's the internet, so it's fully believable some twats will go making channels designed to appeal to children with all the tags and images then splice that Pepper Pig up with some red-band trailer moments from Hostel or something because they're fucking pricks. I don't think there's anything Youtube can actually do about it though other than suggest parents stick to watching videos with their kids and try and stick with official or well-reputed channels.

Phil_A

Quote from: Quincey on March 27, 2017, 12:51:16 PM
Calling your channel "Toys and funny kids surprise eggs" muddies the waters as well. Perhaps an alternative is for parody videos/channels to be more clearly labelled.

I think h3h3 did a video about this channel. Basically it's the same idiots who used to make those "prank invasion" videos, who have now switched to exclusively doing this weird clickbaity shit using Disney and Marvel characters (probably because those are the most searched for by kids on youtube). Mostly just really dumb, poorly made "gag" videos, but with weird fetishistic overtones throughout. The whole thing would be creepy as shit even if it wasn't aimed at children.

I mean, obviously parody versions of cartoons have been around as long as the internet, but this feels like something much more insidious and unsettling.

Twed

Quote from: Quincey on March 27, 2017, 12:51:16 PM
Calling your channel "Toys and funny kids surprise eggs" muddies the waters as well. Perhaps an alternative is for parody videos/channels to be more clearly labelled.
It's probably some Indians throwing videos up there with no vetting, and not understanding the Western cultural implications anyway. It might not be an effort to shock on purpose.

The variable that needs to change here is the parent who decided that the cheap channel with the comic sans JPEG-ringed header was a good safe haven to babysit their child.

Phil_A

Quote from: Twed on March 27, 2017, 02:02:15 PM
It's probably some Indians throwing videos up there with no vetting, and not understanding the Western cultural implications anyway. It might not be an effort to shock on purpose.

The variable that needs to change here is the parent who decided that the cheap channel with the comic sans JPEG-ringed header was a good safe haven to babysit their child.

There's nothing innocent at about it at all, unfortunately, and this video gives a rundown of why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBWf6Zvn0jQ (probably NSFW).

Twed

I've seen that specific video already. I'm talking about the channel that is aggregating all that content, probably not realising themselves that it isn't really Peppa Pig etc.

I mean, they can fuck off for being horrid spammy content stealers, but I think it's important to understand the role of Toys and funny kids surprise eggs in this versus the role of the content producers.

momatt

Quote from: Shit Good Nose on March 27, 2017, 01:25:34 PM
This sort of thing has been going on for years, where people have edited or dubbed kids shows for comedic effect, so why everyone's getting in a tizz about it now is weird.

Exactly.  First thing I thought was remembering me downloading silly cartoon parodies before YouTube even existed.
Fuck these idiots.


biggytitbo

"Fake cartoons" ffs.


Still, children should be exposed to this stuff so they can learn early how horrible everything is.

Small Man Big Horse

My godson was about three when he got in to He-Man and his Dad allowed him to watch clips on the family laptop. I was over on one such occasion and we were mostly ignoring the boy (well he started it!) when I suddenly noticed that He-Man was trying to rape Skeletor. Never seen the father leap across the room so quickly and turn the laptop off, but by then the damage was done and the kid's since killed twelve people.[nb]Or he forgot about the incident completely and has turned in to a well adjusted eleven year old. It's definitely one or the other, I'll have to check.[/nb]

Fake Edit: Just found the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw9i6cP0dsM

kngen

My daughter was 3 or 4 when she discovered those deathless Superheroes IRL channels, and, as they seemed pretty harmless and vastly preferable to those fucking unboxing videos, I'd let her watch occasionally. Because it didn't seem very smart to completely abdicate my parental responsibilities to Youtube, I'd watch them with her (Christ, those terrible fucking royalty-free scores they'd use, now burned into my consciousness for ever) so was immediately aware when they started to take a darker turn. (I think Spiderman went evil and tied Elsa to a railway track - I admired their adherence to classic silent movie tropes if nothing else). Then, within days, really shady shit like Elsa getting stabbed with syringes or being bound and gagged and locked in a basement started appearing in my suggested video feeds - even with the Kids filter on.

Thankfully, my precious poppet didn't have the chance to pollute her innocent mind with such horrors, and I had the perfect excuse to nix Youtube as an entertainment source. (It's not that hard, fellow parents!)

So yeah, no more 'silly stuff' - which is my daughter's rather sweet interpretation of my description:  'That fucking Elsa and Spiderman shite you keep watching'

I did wonder who the fuck was making them though - the early, innocent ones looked both American and Eastern European depending on which channel you were watching - the slightly off stuff seemed to originally come from Good Korea or China, however. Now, from watching that h3h3 video, every cunt is clearly at it, and seems to want to outdo each other in terms of the grotesque. I did at one point consider writing a feature about the phenomenon, but the thought of sitting through even one more of those fucking videos - whether either totally innocent or a snuff movie masquerading as a kids show - killed any desire to do so. But I do wonder: how much would 8 million views get you in terms of payment? Presumably enough to make all that poncing around in cheap costumes worthwhile.

Blue Jam

#16
Quote from: Shit Good Nose on March 27, 2017, 01:25:34 PM
This sort of thing has been going on for years, where people have edited or dubbed kids shows for comedic effect, so why everyone's getting in a tizz about it now is weird.

Yep- the first ones I ever saw were Teesside Tintin and Boro Dogtanian (blocked on UK YouTube atm, grrrrr) and that must have been over ten years ago. I'm a fan of Dr Smoov's Transformers dubs, and the first of those is almost a decade old. As for the darker stuff we're seeing now, even the two-decades-old Fight Club features a cinema projectionist who enjoys splicing disturbing stuff into children's films, and I remember seeing some rather disturbing cartoons at one of the sex museums in Ansterdam, this sort of thing is not a new idea at all.

Parents should remember that anyone can upload anything to YouTube- mind you, I've taught students who managed to forget that anyone can post any old bullshit on Wikipedia, so maybe my expectations are a little high there.

SGN, I take it you've seen bleeped-out Count von Count and The Count's first day at school?

Blue Jam

Quote from: biggytitbo on March 27, 2017, 05:40:57 PM
"Fake cartoons" ffs.


Still, children should be exposed to this stuff so they can learn early how horrible everything is.

In the very unlikely event that Milo Thingy has kids, they'll be raised on a diet of Teeside Tintin and Dark Peppa.

Hugh Jass

Quote from: Phil_A on March 27, 2017, 01:53:55 PM

I mean, obviously parody versions of cartoons have been around as long as the internet, but this feels like something much more insidious and unsettling.

Right, these things honestly scare the shit out of me. Similarly, there have been some flash games popping up around the internet involving Frozen characters in medical operation scenarios, that predictably grow bloody and grotesque. The fact that someone would go through the effort of programming such a thing solely to scare some children is absurd (if it was intended to be disturbing at all. There's also the chance that someone thought these situations were appropriate for kids, which is scary in its own right).

The most bizarre channel of all certainly has to be "Hey Kids", explained in this video, and explored further in depth in this insane rabbit hole of a thread. If you're into stupid conspiracy theories, give this a look. I still can't make sense out of it.


Beagle 2

Brrr! I'd like to think it was some art project but it does all look very machine-curated.

It's that time when I ask once again what the fuck is going on with this guy's channel (which I stumbled across googling my CaB username). Every day, a different puppy in front of the same background. For years. Why??

https://youtu.be/pOihPQoLH8w

Viero_Berlotti

It's simple just don't let your kids on YouTube. Half the videos are stealth toy advertisements anyway, which are probably worse than these fake cartoons. They just don't need it, plenty of other ways to keep them entertained.

Bazooka

I was watching Predator(1987) at the age of 6,turned out fine other than hunting people for sport.

momatt

I reckon if I was a parent I'd rip a load of suitable vids and put them on an offline device.  Kids love watching the same stuff over and over anyway.
I will try to put off any internet access for as long as possible really.  Easier said than done of course, but I've seen some mad shit even when trying to find totally innocent things.

Quote from: Beagle 2 on March 28, 2017, 12:42:20 AM
It's that time when I ask once again what the fuck is going on with this guy's channel (which I stumbled across googling my CaB username). Every day, a different puppy in front of the same background. For years. Why??
https://youtu.be/pOihPQoLH8w
Amazing.  I don't know if that's bleak or quite sweet.  None of the vids I saw get more than 10 views.  But there are fucking millions of them!
Harmless but insane.  Unless there are an equal number of offline videos where the puppies are brutally murdered without emotion.

Obel

Quote from: Hugh Jass on March 27, 2017, 11:45:44 PM
Right, these things honestly scare the shit out of me. Similarly, there have been some flash games popping up around the internet involving Frozen characters in medical operation scenarios, that predictably grow bloody and grotesque. The fact that someone would go through the effort of programming such a thing solely to scare some children is absurd (if it was intended to be disturbing at all. There's also the chance that someone thought these situations were appropriate for kids, which is scary in its own right).

The most bizarre channel of all certainly has to be "Hey Kids", explained in this video, and explored further in depth in this insane rabbit hole of a thread. If you're into stupid conspiracy theories, give this a look. I still can't make sense out of it.

Fucking hell I can't stop reading. This is too much.

garbed_attic

Quote from: Obel on March 28, 2017, 11:57:36 AM
Fucking hell I can't stop reading. This is too much.

I find the massive proliferation of those bootleg Frozen games pretty fascinating:

http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/culture/video-games/169021-creepy-bootleg-frozen-games-are-their-own-genre

http://boingboing.net/2015/04/20/the-disturbing-world-of-bootle.html

Well, okay, not so much that there are so many of them since Frozen was super popular... more the fact that they have a certain consistency in their art style and thematics. It's like how spraypaint fairground art on rides is really consistent!

Beagle 2

Quote from: momatt on March 28, 2017, 11:15:46 AM
Amazing.  I don't know if that's bleak or quite sweet.  None of the vids I saw get more than 10 views.  But there are fucking millions of them!
Harmless but insane.  Unless there are an equal number of offline videos where the puppies are brutally murdered without emotion.

It can't just be some dog-loving bloke though, again it must be to test something out, Sheepy suggested to test colour recognition software or something. Or animal testing? Where are they getting the dogs? Suppose it could just be a puppy farm cataloguing newborns. It unsettles me though!

momatt

I assumed it was a professional dog photographer logging his work.  It would be a pretty good way of cataloguing the 'produce' from a dog farm too.

I don't even like dogs and I find all this a bit unsettling.

Petey Pate

Maybe the correct course of action for concerned parents is to fight fire with fire and troll porn sites by uploading 'prank invasion' videos which become guides to improving social skills or getting a job interview.

Chairman Bodog

Quote from: Hugh Jass on March 27, 2017, 11:45:44 PM
The most bizarre channel of all certainly has to be "Hey Kids", explained in this video, and explored further in depth in this insane rabbit hole of a thread. If you're into stupid conspiracy theories, give this a look. I still can't make sense out of it.

I went down that rabbit hole you linked and ended up in a trapped warren.

https://youtu.be/iSHhEtgccZ8

Make of this what you will.

Viero_Berlotti

When we did used to let my daughter watch YouTube my wife remembers coming checking on her one day and she was watching this weird grainy video of a horse stuck in the middle of a deep pond. Visibly in distress and up to its neck in water. It didn't upset her though, she was just curious as to what was going on.

It wasn't the threat of 'fake cartoons' that led me to put a ban on YouTube though. It was the thousands of videos of spoilt kids with huge houses full of toys opening new toys on a daily/weekly basis. It can be hard to avoid it, but it can't be good to be exposed to such high level consumerism at such a young age.