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The Little Mermaid is 43, and other moments of lucid decrepitude.

Started by Paul Calf, May 16, 2017, 08:16:31 AM

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Icehaven

I was reading about Israel winning Eurovision this morning and it mentioned the last time they won was with Dana International 20 years ago. 20 years ago.

Rich Uncle Skeleton

Quote from: chocky909 on May 17, 2017, 10:45:46 PM
Hopefully Macauley Culkin will film a Home Alone sequel in his seventies and blow them guyz all up outta the water.

A gran torino-esque Home Alone with a grumpy Kevin in his 70s setting up traps for a bunch of young burglars would actually be pretty great.

Twed

Quote from: icehaven on May 13, 2018, 11:39:13 PM
I was reading about Israel winning Eurovision this morning and it mentioned the last time they won was with Dana International 20 years ago. 20 years ago.
Viva Maria, viva Victoria, aphrodita!

That's me remembering that from being 14, that. 20 years wasn't long ago at all, which is so scary.

Shit Good Nose

Well I've only just got used to the idea that there are adults who were born in the 90s.  Now I've got to get my head around the fact that there are adults who were born in fucking 2000!

Desirable Industrial Unit

The film version of Silent Hill being 12 years old can't be right, can it?  I remember so clearly deciding not being arsed to go to the cinema for it.

Not being exposed to things has an odd effect.  When I saw the Simpsons for the first time it had been running for a good old while, so it felt like something that was already a bit timeless, because it had cemented itself away from my gaze.  There were already loads of episodes, so as a new viewer, they could have been made ten years beforehand or last week.  Getting on board early is different - I'm a little over 40, and the idea that Family Guy has been running for almost half my lifetime is both chilling and wrong (partly because it should never have come back after the first 3 series, but also the time thing).

Not quite the same thing, and it was mentioned on here at the time he shuffled off I think, but the thing about Leonard Cohen being older when he died than Buddy Holly would have been were he still alive has never sat right with me, despite just being basic maths.

saltysnacks

As someone born in 1994, I sometimes forget that I wasn't alive during historical events that seem fairly recent.


Norton Canes

Quote from: Captain Z on May 13, 2018, 11:29:03 PM
That length of time would fill 400 Olympic-sized swimming pools with 35 blue whales laid end to end

What's that in Belgiums?

biggytitbo

Brass Eye Special 17 years ago. 17 years before that was the Young Ones S2.

Wet Blanket

The present in the original Back to the Future is roughly as far back from now as Marty McFly travels back in time to the mid fifties.

I bet to a teenager right now the 90s have the same hauntological as the 70s do to me. I saw a repeat of Sex and the City on More4 the other night and was amazed by how dated it looked.

I think we've actually seen some quite major cultural shifts in the last decade or so, not least in terms of the digital revolution and our spending so much of lives online. When Ant and Dec did their 2002 version of Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads a big problem was that the 90s had been pretty settled and social mores hadn't changed in the way they had between the mid sixties and the early 70s, but you could certainly make a case for life being different enough in 2018 than ten years ago in terms of social awareness, conflicts and lifestyle to make it work. Ant's much more drunk now, too.

Fry

9/11 is another big marker for me. I chat to people who seem like regular adults, then you realise they were too young to remember the towers falling. Or even worse, born after the whole event.


Trojan_Jockey

England reaching the semi-finals in Italia 90 is closer to England winning the world cup than Italia 90 is to today.

Isnt Anything

Quote from: Paul Calf on May 16, 2017, 11:40:41 PM
Iain Banks described it as "the long decade between the fall of the wall and the fall of the towers". Quite potent, I thought.

And what a lovely decade it was too, before the military got bored at the end of it.


Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 16, 2017, 11:44:44 PM.... there was this sense of hope and togetherness looming over the horizon as Europe became closer together; it just added to my sense of weltschmerz really.

This might sound a bit mental, but i honestly think the start of all that going downhill was when MTV encrypted sometime around 1994-ish.

Until then there was their nightly phone-in show called MTVs Most Wanted with loveable faux-idiot Ray Cokes and crew taking phone calls from all over Europe and beyond .... anyone who could see the satellite and could speak English (i think he also managed French and / or German). Everyone having a laugh together in-between the music. Everyone seeing that people in Poland or the former East Germany or the former Czechslovakia or Britain or Holland or Italy or wherever really werent that different after all. It really was bringing Europe closer together.

Then MTV decided to go encrypted and suddenly a whole swathe of countries lost reception, distraught youths phoning in saying they could still hear him but no longer see him and him replying that he liked it no more than they did but it (obviously) wasnt his decision.

Its little surprise that the whole show was axed not long after. The end of an era of togetherness. Time for isolationism. And now look where we are.

ASFTSN

Quote from: greenman on May 16, 2017, 06:49:15 PM
For me anyway a big issue tends to be less an acknowledgement of my own age and more just how little things have moved along musically compared to the decades prior to the early 90's.

I don't think this is limited to music.  Film, game, music, fashion, pop culture in general seems to have been eddying ever since all media has been available to everyone everywhere at any time.

Do you think there would be any real difference in people's dress sense in one photo from 2005 to another from 2015?  I'm not sure there would, in broad terms.  But the differences in fashion between a photograph from 1985 to 1995 would be huge, right?

Wet Blanket

I certainly remember wearing bootcut jeans in the early noughties which people wouldn't wear now. Likewise cargo pants were big, literally and figuratively. Top knots and sleeve tats and hipsterism in general wasn't quite a thing yet either.

Think how different phones, TVs and computers look from 2005 compared to now.

In 1995 lots of things from 1985 wouldn't seem that dated.

Jockice

Quote from: Dr Rock on May 16, 2017, 11:47:34 PM
The Damned are currently enjoying their 40th year as a musical act. This is the same as if, in 1976, when they formed, somebody from 1936 was still doing gigs.

Teenage Kicks came out 40 years ago this September. I'd just become a teenager then.

ASFTSN

Quote from: Wet Blanket on May 14, 2018, 11:32:34 AM
I certainly remember wearing bootcut jeans in the early noughties which people wouldn't wear now. Likewise cargo pants were big, literally and figuratively. Top knots and sleeve tats and hipsterism in general wasn't quite a thing yet either.

Think how different phones, TVs and computers look from 2005 compared to now.

In 1995 lots of things from 1985 wouldn't seem that dated.

hmmm, I take your point but I don't think the technology thing is a fair comparison.  That's always going to speed forward at a terrifyingly exponential rate of growth.  It's more the things people choose to consume and create that I feel is standing still, rather than the stuff that's thrust on them as necessary lifestyle tech.

Of course all of this is probably just in part due to my shredded short-term memory and wearing nothing but band t-shirts for the last 20-odd years.

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Quote from: Isnt Anything on May 14, 2018, 11:11:34 AM

Then MTV decided to go encrypted and suddenly a whole swathe of countries lost reception, distraught youths phoning in saying they could still hear him but no longer see him and him replying that he liked it no more than they did but it (obviously) wasnt his decision.

Its little surprise that the whole show was axed not long after. The end of an era of togetherness. Time for isolationism. And now look where we are.

Interesting. I think a similar decline in an international level of 'togetherness' happened on the internet 10 years later too- when I began putting music online in the early 2000s, I was amazed when people in Barcelona, Sacramento etc bought my cds with barely any promotional effort on my part, plus discovering and talking to other small artists across the world working in similar areas was unlike anything possible before. Myspace seemed to facilitate this even better for a while (and could likely have continued) but when Facebook took over as the premier social media platform, it gradually changed.  A way more localised 'events in your area' based model was forced on us, and the current isolationism is possibly a result.

Isnt Anything

That is interesting thank you. I hadnt ever thought of that but youre right - Facebook promotes isolationism in a way that MySpace etc. never did.

Twitter is 'international' in a superficial sense, but it's largely a platform for shouting, posturing and clamouring for attention. There's little creativity or exchange being facilitated there.

As for 2010s visions of the 90s, I don't think it's that easy to present the 90s onscreen in a vivid way. Derry Girls does a good job but you'd have to watch it for a bit to pick up on it as a period piece if you weren't aware of the backstory, whereas you knew from a single frame of Life On Mars you were in the 70s.

I think some eras are just more strongly defined visually than others. The cover of the B-52s' first album (from 1979) is a case in point. The era they're harking back to was barely 13 years old, but already it looks like a time capsule. It'd be near impossible for a modern band to imply a retro '2005' look in a similar way.


Blue Jam

The three members of Hanson now have twelve children between them, some of whom are now as old as Hanson were when Mmmbop was released and could in theory group together to form Hanson II.

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: Blue Jam on May 14, 2018, 05:56:53 PM
The three members of Hanson now have twelve children between them, some of whom are now as old as Hanson were when Mmmbop was released and could in theory group together to form Hanson II.

But do any of them need to exist?

Zetetic

Quote from: Wet Blanket on May 14, 2018, 11:32:34 AM
Think how different ... computers look from 2005 compared to now.
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Were they beige boxes in 2005, and black boxes now? I'm not even sure they were beige by 2005.

I think it's remarkable how little interesting design there is in computers outside of a very small number of integrated manufacturers.

(iMacs are basically the same, but thinner; the closest thing to a deliberate aesthetic shift is white to aluminium. I guess you can get a cylindrical Mac Pro.)

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Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: Zetetic on May 14, 2018, 06:32:36 PM
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Were they beige boxes in 2005, and black boxes now? I'm not even sure they were beige by 2005.

I think it's remarkable how little interesting design there is in computers outside of a very small number of integrated manufacturers.

(iMacs are basically the same, but thinner; the closest thing to a deliberate aesthetic shift is white to aluminium. I guess you can get a cylindrical Mac Pro.)

Apple are threatening to shift to arm, that's 'interesting' from an internal design point of view. Interesting how it might completely fuck things up for people who use things like parallells, virtualbox or vagrant.

Zetetic

It took me longer than it should have done to understand that you weren't talking about this design.

Unfortunately, no, shifting instruction sets is an exceptionally dull bit of 'design' farting about. (If you're mostly interested in how pretty computers look which, in this context, I am.)

Zetetic

There seems to have been about 3-5 years at the very end of the '90s and early 2000s where people tried to make computers anything other than boring or hideous. (Or, being generous, invisible. Which is usually a variation of boring.)

Edit: That's a little bit unfair but even the more pleasant and interesting stuff from much of the last few decades is only not-entirely-boring by contrast. (For example all of Frog's stuff.)

Sebastian Cobb

Well really most computers should be fucked off into a skip and replaced with VDI.

Standard desktop pc's were never really interesting (and gaming computers always looked like they were aimed at max power readers and children who played with transformers) and there were heaps of specialist boxes that were from the 90's onwards (NEXT, SGI, some SUN kit).

I was reading the other day that there are now teenagers and young adults who struggle to tell the time on a 'traditional' analogue clock because they've been used to seeing the time in a digital format on their phones for their entire lives.

It reminded me of an old golf game on the ZX Spectrum where you had to type in 4 O' Clock or 7 O'Clock or whatever in order to say what the direction you wanted to hit the ball. My cousin used to sit with his brass alarm clock looking at the numbers to see which direction to hit the ball in.  These days, if you said to the kids  'here's a big brass alarm clock to help you with your video game' they'd look at you funny, I reckon.  But that's why they can't tell the time, so who'll be laughing when this Millennium Bug comes along, eh?