Author Topic: Football 2017/18  (Read 133643 times)

Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3210 on: May 16, 2018, 08:59:58 PM »
As a Scot living in England I can't really understand the antipathy towards Allardyce. I have a mate who has been a West Ham season ticket holder for years but refused to go to a single match while Big Sam was in charge. To me he seems like someone who gets the job done and makes unglamorous players perform well, if not exactly excitingly. A lot of managers would like to have the record he has but he seems to be universally loathed. Why?

My dad said "the reason Allardyce doesn't get big jobs? He's too fat." This was way before the England job, by the way.

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3211 on: May 16, 2018, 09:03:55 PM »
Atletico shithousing their way to another UEFA Cup.

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3212 on: May 16, 2018, 09:07:24 PM »
Scunthorpe Rotherham


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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3213 on: May 16, 2018, 09:18:10 PM »
Stuck a quid on Scunthorpe and Marseille to get a draw.

I dont like money.

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3214 on: May 16, 2018, 09:24:03 PM »
Stuck a quid on Scunthorpe and Marseille to get a draw.

I dont like money.

Don't know if you saw Scunny in the first leg but 2nd best at home. Workmanlike.

Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3215 on: May 16, 2018, 09:26:06 PM »
Aye. Down to 10 men now anyway.

Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3216 on: May 16, 2018, 10:06:33 PM »
I think the England squad's lack of experience at international level and star names could work in their favour. We could do with a lowering of expectations anyway. If you look at the size of our country and history in these competitions a quarter final spot should be the height of our expectations. If we could get comfortable with that we might enjoy these competitions more

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3217 on: May 16, 2018, 10:25:33 PM »
Atletico priced at 91/100 pre-match seemed like crazy odds. FREE MONEY.

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3218 on: May 16, 2018, 10:26:23 PM »
Looked at the squad and only picked 9 players I'd even want in the squad. I reckon we might even do better if we only pick those 9 players, although admittedly I didn't include a goalkeeper.

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3219 on: May 16, 2018, 10:29:58 PM »
Talksport currently trying to square a circle. Having hyped up loads of England players as world class over the course of the season, they now need to write the squad off as terrible. Southgate's a fraud who's bottled it.

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3220 on: May 16, 2018, 10:57:37 PM »
WE NEED MARK NOBLE AND HIS PASHUN

Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3221 on: May 16, 2018, 11:19:59 PM »
WE NEED MARK NOBLE AND HIS PASHUN

It's a good point. We don't have a player who will clap his hands and shout "come on" which is what English football is all about. I suppose Jordan Henderson can do a bit of that. It's not like the old days when Stuart Pearce would scream in your face with pride and Terry Butcher would murder you if you failed to get an isntant erection upon hearing 'God Save the Queen'.

Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3222 on: May 16, 2018, 11:56:05 PM »
Talksport currently trying to square a circle. Having hyped up loads of England players as world class over the course of the season, they now need to write the squad off as terrible. Southgate's a fraud who's bottled it.

How are they saying he bottled it? Who didn't he pick that he should have?

And as our most recent player who claps their hands and shouts is Joe Hart and he tried to blame Moyes for being dropped by England, as opposed to him not even being good enough for West Ham, I think it might be an over-rated trait

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3223 on: May 17, 2018, 01:53:20 AM »
I had friends who bunked off from school to go to Middlesbrough (?) and watch JayJay Okocha’s debut for Villa, such was the hype. Pure desolation.

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3224 on: May 17, 2018, 07:37:45 AM »
I had friends who bunked off from school to go to Middlesbrough (?) and watch JayJay Okocha’s debut for Villa, such was the hype. Pure desolation.

Perhaps he should have went to Middlesbrough and watched Bolton.

Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3225 on: May 17, 2018, 08:19:08 AM »
How are they saying he bottled it? Who didn't he pick that he should have?

I'm not an England fan, but I think Shelvey has done enough to be in the squad - especially given The Ox's injury and Lallana's lack of fitness. There's not too much creativity in those central midfielders without him.
No other names leap out as surprising omissions though.

Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3226 on: May 17, 2018, 08:50:09 AM »
Shelvey's temperament has let him down in the past and he has also fluffed his chance at the big league as well so I can see why he wasn't picked. I don't see him as a significantly better choice than Delph, who is more adaptable and plays at a higher level regularly

Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3227 on: May 17, 2018, 09:16:40 AM »
Shelvey's been on his best behaviour this season though and Delph, while being a solid enough player, isn't exact blessed with the creativity or passing range of Shelvey. And is Delph there as 3rd choice left back, or a midfielder (even though he hasn't played in that role all season)?

That said, that the only debate about the England squad appears to be the non-inclusion of Shelvey, shows the limited options Southgate actually has.

Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3228 on: May 17, 2018, 09:22:32 AM »
Yeah but Southgate puts Shelcey in, Shelvey stamps on someone's ankle. Southgate gets grief.

Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3229 on: May 17, 2018, 09:42:35 AM »
I think the England squad's lack of experience at international level and star names could work in their favour. We could do with a lowering of expectations anyway. If you look at the size of our country and history in these competitions a quarter final spot should be the height of our expectations. If we could get comfortable with that we might enjoy these competitions more

I remember one interview Steven Gerrard gave before one of his later tournaments. Giving platitudes towards young players being in the squad but pointing out that he had to make sure they knew how big it was, how much it hurt to lose, not to make stupid mistakes. Basically all negative visualisations of what he didn't want to happen. Thanks Stevie. I was all ready to give it a go and enjoy this great opportunity and give my all; but now I just shitting it.

Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3230 on: May 17, 2018, 10:30:09 AM »
The thing I don't get with arguments about Shelvey, Wilshere, Delph, or whoever, you are talking about the 23rd member of a squad, it should be irrelevant, they shouldn't get a look in a tournament of 5 or 6 games.

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3231 on: May 17, 2018, 10:46:12 AM »
Blodwyn's Preddo: England win tournament.

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3232 on: May 17, 2018, 10:49:06 AM »
The thing I don't get with arguments about Shelvey, Wilshere, Delph, or whoever, you are talking about the 23rd member of a squad, it should be irrelevant, they shouldn't get a look in a tournament of 5 or 6 games

I don't know, even teams that go on to win tournaments have sometimes drafted in fringe players because things weren't clicking in the early games.

I haven't actually got any evidence to back that up.

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3233 on: May 17, 2018, 10:51:47 AM »
Look it's simple

TERY AND RIO
ASHLEY COLE BEST LEFT BACK IN THE WORLD
LAMPARD AND GERRARD
JOE COLE OPTION ON THE BENCH
WAYNE ROONEY WORLD CLASS
DEFOE AND CROUCHIE

I've always said Crouchie can do a job

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3234 on: May 17, 2018, 10:52:52 AM »
Shelf stacker?

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3235 on: May 17, 2018, 11:05:16 AM »
Look it's simple

TERY AND RIO
ASHLEY COLE BEST LEFT BACK IN THE WORLD
LAMPARD AND GERRARD
JOE COLE OPTION ON THE BENCH
WAYNE ROONEY WORLD CLASS
DEFOE AND CROUCHIE

I've always said Crouchie can do a job

You forgot Rob 'Safe Hands' Green between the sticks and a Neville of your choice.

Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3236 on: May 17, 2018, 11:43:31 AM »
Shelvey's been on his best behaviour this season though and Delph, while being a solid enough player, isn't exact blessed with the creativity or passing range of Shelvey. And is Delph there as 3rd choice left back, or a midfielder (even though he hasn't played in that role all season)?

That said, that the only debate about the England squad appears to be the non-inclusion of Shelvey, shows the limited options Southgate actually has.

I would say Delph is in there for both positions. Versatility is a big plus in these tournaments. And Shelvey has been sent off twice this season so if that is his best behaviour it shows what a problem that is. You also have to take into account the lower level (both in terms of expectation, competition for places and teams faced) he plays at compared to Delph.

I wouldn't have been surprised or upset if he had been picked but I can see why he wasn't

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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3237 on: May 17, 2018, 11:55:03 AM »
If there is a strange decision for me it's that he didn't pick Smalling alongside Jones. There appears little to choose between him and Cahill so why not pick players who already play alongside each other. That and Stones having been pretty shit at City when they have the ball most of time. Tarkowski has been outstanding at Burnley when they don't. England wont see shit of the ball against anyone half decent

Danny Welbeck to outscore Kane, obviously.
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Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3238 on: May 17, 2018, 12:08:46 PM »
I would say Delph is in there for both positions. Versatility is a big plus in these tournaments. And Shelvey has been sent off twice this season so if that is his best behaviour it shows what a problem that is. You also have to take into account the lower level (both in terms of expectation, competition for places and teams faced) he plays at compared to Delph.

I wouldn't have been surprised or upset if he had been picked but I can see why he wasn't

Being better at football doesn't seem to have been a criteria either.

Re: Football 2017/18
« Reply #3239 on: May 17, 2018, 12:26:41 PM »
I don't think Delph will get a game. Wilshere might have, as he's almost certainly a better option at central midfield and could play further forward as well.

Take Delph or Young, not both. And Wilshere is probably the best option that wasn't picked. Would have picked Shelvey over Delph too as Delph in midfield has been very poor for a while.

I see the midfield as the weak link. There's not a lot there. Dier/Henderson is not a particularly creative pair and that's why someone like Wilshere would have been a good option. A lot riding on the attacking players really.