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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1710 on: February 22, 2019, 10:52:01 AM »
Exactly. 2000 is a very different chart culture than 1970-1984 and needs a different analysis, so the podcast becomes a different beast to reflect that.

Sarah and Neil is also a very different combo than, say, Taylor and Simon, and this particular era is acutely dark for them personally as their chosen careers were in jeopardy.

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1711 on: February 22, 2019, 10:56:37 AM »
I think Al gets his age wrong for the start of 2000 (says he was 32 at the start of the new century but he was born in 1968). Unless I misheard.

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1712 on: February 22, 2019, 11:00:02 AM »
This isn’t a complaint at all because I love this podcast dearly but why only release it early to higher tier patreons? Wouldn’t it make more sense to release the extra content (the interview eps) to the higher tier and allow early access to the regular episodes to all patreons as everyone’s gonna get them shortly anyway?

This is really directed at myself cos I could’ve sworn I’d upped myself to $5 but I turns out I haven’t and now I’m at work and don’t have the time to fanny about changing my Patreon details :(

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1713 on: February 22, 2019, 11:06:35 AM »
This is really directed at myself cos I could’ve sworn I’d upped myself to $5 but I turns out I haven’t

Upping the monthly payment doesn't change the tier you're in. You have to manually select it to do that.

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1714 on: February 22, 2019, 11:07:02 AM »
Upping the monthly payment doesn't change the tier you're in. You have to manually select it to do that.

Aww ffs maaaan :(

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1715 on: February 22, 2019, 11:21:04 AM »
It's being released to everyone today anyway.

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1716 on: February 22, 2019, 11:28:44 AM »
Looking forward to this.

I'd love for them to do more "later" episodes where no-one's got any emotional attachment and (potentially) could be hearing/seeing the songs for the first time.

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1717 on: February 22, 2019, 11:28:59 AM »
It’s fine, I got it, I was being thick with Patreon. I was being greedy cos I wanted it for my commute home.

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1718 on: February 22, 2019, 11:31:48 AM »
This isn’t a complaint at all because I love this podcast dearly but why only release it early to higher tier patreons? Wouldn’t it make more sense to release the extra content (the interview eps) to the higher tier and allow early access to the regular episodes to all patreons as everyone’s gonna get them shortly anyway?


It's probably because Al only thought of it spur of the moment to reward people who'd upped their pledge already rather than a thought out in advance tier structure. Also I suppose because people do get the episode a day later no-one on Patreon is really punished for not being on the higher tier, you just have to wait 24 hours. Whereas if they switched bonus eps to higher tier people some Patreons may feel hard done by and pressured to shift? I'm on the patreon for a Hammer films podcast as well and I quite like what they do - if you sign up to their Patreon you get an extra episode each month focusing on the Amicus film, but every second month they cover a British horror film selected by a higher tier pledger. Something like that would be good on Chart Music, not TOTP episodes maybe but higher tiers could select a music documentary or an episode of a different music show for them to cover.

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1719 on: February 22, 2019, 11:52:43 AM »
****SPOILER****

Wow, Neil is naming names here (Mark Sutherland in particular) and calling them cunts.

This cunt: http://www.musicweek.com/user/read/99944

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1720 on: February 22, 2019, 12:57:30 PM »
Thanks for that, things are shite at the moment and I need this podcast.

Soz mate, just messing about.

It's sold gold this episode, well worth the wait, trust me.


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« Reply #1721 on: February 22, 2019, 04:39:56 PM »

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1722 on: February 22, 2019, 04:49:40 PM »
Excellent, the 'Kings Reach Towers Babylon' episode. Fascinating stuff.

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1723 on: February 22, 2019, 06:48:30 PM »
****SPOILER****

Wow, Neil is naming names here (Mark Sutherland in particular) and calling them cunts.

This cunt: http://www.musicweek.com/user/read/99944

Gah, I got confused for a moment and thought that was Mark Beaumont. "About time," I thought.

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1724 on: February 22, 2019, 06:55:41 PM »
Oh Beaumont gets mentioned all right, albeit all too fleetingly...

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1725 on: February 22, 2019, 07:47:37 PM »
Yes the Marks get a well-deserved coating down. I could’ve listened to them raging about that regime for another hour, I must say.

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1726 on: February 22, 2019, 08:21:24 PM »
KULK SMASH!

It's a thrilling listen. You don't have to be a music journalist who wrote for a specific publication at a specific time to empathise hard with Neil and Sarah's bitter memorialising on this episode, I'm sure a lot of us have at some point worked at companies we've seen changing gradually around us and then coming to the realisation that you don't fit in there any more. I felt for Neil at the end when he said spilling it all out hadn't even been that cathartic and he wasn't soothed.

All that AND Al mentioning the "HA! HA! Chinese spare ribs!" Skips advert. King of podcasts, worth every penny.
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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1727 on: February 22, 2019, 09:06:44 PM »

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1728 on: February 22, 2019, 10:07:26 PM »
It's a thrilling listen. You don't have to be a music journalist who wrote for a specific publication at a specific time to empathise hard with Neil and Sarah's bitter memorialising on this episode, I'm sure a lot of us have at some point worked at companies we've seen changing gradually around us and then coming to the realisation that you don't fit in there any more. I felt for Neil at the end when he said spilling it all out hadn't even been that cathartic and he wasn't soothed.

After the first hour of bitter MM chat, I did worry slightly that some listeners might find it all a bit too self-indulgent, but you're absolutely right - I think most people will be able to relate to their anguish. Inept employers fucking up a business, alienating their customers and mistreating their employees happens in all walks of life.

I can also confirm that the clueless Mark Sutherland is a deeply intimidating man with no interpersonal skills. Sarah and Neil both mentioned his creepy habit of suddenly looming up behind you, which is something I personally experienced during my time freelancing for MM in those dark, dying days. He almost seemed to thrive on making his writers feel uncomfortable.

Anyway, hats off to them both for being so honest and absolutely nailing what went wrong with MM (and modern culture generally). Neil's closing words in this episode are actually quite heartbreaking.


Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1729 on: February 23, 2019, 12:20:11 AM »
I think TOTP had an almost impossible remit by that point because the charts themselves were fucked, with records going it at #1 then sliding down the chart. It could only become just another music show because the idea of a 'structured' chart run had gone and TOTP was catching songs that were already dying.

Today the problem would be the opposite: the charts are a fabrication based on streaming data and have no credibility.

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1730 on: February 23, 2019, 01:24:43 AM »
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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1731 on: February 23, 2019, 02:29:52 AM »
Not my cup of tea this one I’m afraid. 2000 is just yesterday as far as I’m concerned and the music and culture is shit. When you find yourself vehemently defending Craig David, I think you maybe should rethink your position.

Also think Neil and Sarah are my least favourite contributors. Maybe it’s because they’re younger but I can’t get on the same page as them a lot of the time, whereas I find myself usually agreeing with the others.

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1732 on: February 23, 2019, 04:44:52 AM »
Not my cup of tea this one I’m afraid. 2000 is just yesterday as far as I’m concerned and the music and culture is shit. When you find yourself vehemently defending Craig David, I think you maybe should rethink your position.

Also think Neil and Sarah are my least favourite contributors. Maybe it’s because they’re younger but I can’t get on the same page as them a lot of the time, whereas I find myself usually agreeing with the others.


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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1733 on: February 23, 2019, 06:32:40 AM »
Not my cup of tea this one I’m afraid. 2000 is just yesterday as far as I’m concerned and the music and culture is shit. When you find yourself vehemently defending Craig David, I think you maybe should rethink your position.

Also think Neil and Sarah are my least favourite contributors. Maybe it’s because they’re younger but I can’t get on the same page as them a lot of the time, whereas I find myself usually agreeing with the others.

Neil's the same age as Taylor, Sarah is the youngest by about 6 years I think.

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1734 on: February 23, 2019, 07:48:26 AM »
Not my cup of tea this one I’m afraid. 2000 is just yesterday as far as I’m concerned and the music and culture is shit. When you find yourself vehemently defending Craig David, I think you maybe should rethink your position.

Also think Neil and Sarah are my least favourite contributors. Maybe it’s because they’re younger but I can’t get on the same page as them a lot of the time, whereas I find myself usually agreeing with the others.

They didn't vehemently defend Craig David, they said he was 'alright' while making a wider point about the narrow-minded, borderline racist orthodoxy of white indie music journalism at the turn of the 21st century and its dire influence on the sort of boring cunts who think Noel Gallagher is some sort of keeping it real genius.

Also, I dunno how old you are, but Neil and Sarah are in their early to mid forties.

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1735 on: February 23, 2019, 10:06:27 AM »
Visceral stuff about the death throes of the Melody Maker. Absolute gold

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1736 on: February 23, 2019, 10:34:52 AM »
I think I bailed from MM in 1998/99, as something rotten had noticeably set in.
Wasn't aware of all the behind the scenes politics, but it had definitely stopped being fun to read.
Judging from the readership numbers that Neil mentioned it seems that I wasn't alone.

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1737 on: February 23, 2019, 12:04:22 PM »
Yeah I think I bailed around the same time, I googled Melody Maker covers 2000 and I don't recall buying any of them. It made for grim viewing though.

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1738 on: February 23, 2019, 01:25:01 PM »
That episode definitely trailed off in the second half. Not really the team's fault as they were hamstrung by a relatively uninteresting TOTP.

Paul Draper eh.. tut tut.

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #1739 on: February 23, 2019, 01:49:17 PM »
That '50 ways...alternative nation...' piece looks like it was written by an algorithm.