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dr beat

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2160 on: July 11, 2019, 06:08:47 PM »
Great episode but I now feel a little too intimately acquainted with Taylor Parkes. But like David and Al, I also marvel at his Acker Bilk to STI in 0-120.

non capisco

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2161 on: July 11, 2019, 07:14:06 PM »
"It's not something that sticks in the mind, is it? Oh, I remember that incredible piss I had in 1988!"

non capisco

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2162 on: July 11, 2019, 10:52:03 PM »
Just watched SPOILER on the video playlist.
More than lives up to what Al and Taylor said about it!

Al's sheer delight at Taylor referencing that was possibly the highlight of the ep for me.

kidsick5000

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2163 on: July 11, 2019, 10:59:11 PM »
Taylor saying how much he hates Noel because “if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all”

Delivered without any irony, it seems

Highlight.

non capisco

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2164 on: July 12, 2019, 12:06:45 AM »
Ah come on, that was saturated with irony.

Dripping all over the shop with it.

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2165 on: July 12, 2019, 12:26:09 AM »
Had to scrape it off my speakers.

non capisco

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2166 on: July 12, 2019, 12:30:40 AM »
I was listening with headphones and it gunked up my ears, the irony, when he said that.

Viscous, it was.

Johnboy

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2167 on: July 16, 2019, 10:40:35 AM »
This is a great episode

I think I might go back and listen to the Taylor ones again, he really has some astute observations

I remember one where they were discussing the 1982 re release of Love Me Do and he talked about the huge cultural difference between 1962 and 1982, that culture moved at warp speed during that time but technology didn't really and today it's the opposite - I mean,I'd read a book of all this stuff.

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2168 on: July 16, 2019, 02:40:19 PM »
Not having that High Llamas dis though

kidsick5000

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2169 on: July 16, 2019, 09:42:47 PM »
I remember one where they were discussing the 1982 re release of Love Me Do and he talked about the huge cultural difference between 1962 and 1982, that culture moved at warp speed during that time but technology didn't really and today it's the opposite - I mean,I'd read a book of all this stuff.

That’s worth a thread in itself. How pop culture hit an ice age.
It is nuts how much the thrust for things to be new really hit the brakes in the mid90s.
I think it was on Twitter in a discussion about Bowie’s Space Oddity and how many personas he’d been by the time of the rerelease in 75.
The respective evolutions of The Beatles and Bowie in such a short space of time is extraordinary.
If you hadn’t had a record out for a couple of years, your next one would amount to a comeback from the wilderness. Now releasing on a yearly basis amounts to oversaturation.
Even on TV, fame was something that could be lost at any moment - and when you were out, that was it. But now there are so many ways to get back into the party.

And I don’t know if it’s just our generation (currently late30s to 40s) or everyone of that age throughout time struggles to realise how recent 20 years ago actually is..
Or that from Livin La Vida Loca to today is the same amount of time from Elvis’ Heartbreak Hotel to the Damned’s New Rose.

Is it because retro became a much bigger thing in the 90s? And because of that there’s a loss of identity. Despite attempts to bring back the 80s, you dont see many attempts at a 90s revival. Is it because from grunge to britpop, these movements were already rooted in the past?


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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2170 on: July 17, 2019, 01:02:14 AM »
So here's a pet theory I have. One thing that's interesting in regards to this is how dance music's* past has effectively been completely forgotten. Electronic music in general throughout the 90s (and also the 80s, of course) was the main source for "newness"; in fact I'd say right up to the turn of the century there were still developments in that area, unlike rock where things quickly stagnated around 1995. Electronic stuff was where the "feel" of the decade was forged for me, and if you look at the charts of the time the dance stuff tends to outnumber the grunge / britpop releases by a mile. (It's easy to forget that at the time things like Oasis getting the odd Number 1 were seen as some kind of triumph of rock over evil emotionless machines or whatever.) Now it's all been devolved into "EDM", and there are people about who genuinely don't realise that - for example - Daft Punk did not, in fact, create the genres they write and perform in.

See here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-tWqdEcGN4
And here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJVrPBX2PL8

There's even some people in that last video who don't realise that Daft Punk started in the 90s. Now, for a 90s revival to properly happen, I think there would need to be a better knowledge of the 90s itself, and of electronic music of both the final two decades of the last century, with specific emphasis on house, techno and drum and bass. As it is, there is now "80s music" (synth pop somewhere between 1981 and 1986 - which is great and that I personally love to bits, but it's not the whole story), and "90s music" which in mainstream media accounts at least has a weird focus on boy bands, ultra-commercial hip-hop, and a grudging acknowledgement of Nirvana thrown somewhere in there. "Oh yeah, there was this thing called grunge... er, shoe what?"** I can't really blame these kids for anything, as there's this slightly suspect rewriting of the past going on somehow.

Here's an example of this: given that despite the 90s having a couple of very specific and easily identifiable visual looks (grungy and "distressed" typography, or the more techno-inspired fonts / design you got elsewhere in music mags / club flyers of the time), there's a magazine currently available in the shops that purports to be a nostalgic look back onto the 90s, yet the cover looks like it's actually from 1987 only with the Teletubbies on it. (Can't find a picture of it, annoyingly, but go to your local WH Smith's and you'll most likely see it.) It's like the opening credits of Beverly Hills Teens threw up all over some promo photos of the Friends cast.

I do wonder if all this may be the result of the way advertisers famously had such a hard time selling stuff to Generation X during that decade, and some people somewhere deciding to "correct" that. I hope I'm just being ridiculously paranoid, but it kind of fits.

* I know some take issue with the phrase "dance music", as there was plenty of music you could dance to before, of course - I'm using that as the potentially more useful term of Electronic Dance Music has been nicked by twats.
** I am very much aware of the shoegaze revival of the last five or so years, but that hasn't had much of an impact outside of circles such as our own.

Johnboy

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2171 on: July 17, 2019, 09:12:31 AM »
Yes, the '90s mainstream just seemed to be bland versions of guitar/dance/boy&girl group

in previous decades the mainstream was the definite decent article but that could just be my age, knocking on 50

I think the dust has yet to settle on the '90s - there is certainly a '90s revival industry but it has no identity

kidsick5000

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2172 on: July 17, 2019, 09:43:00 AM »
I think there's also a social evolution that people are younger for longer.
They dress younger, stay in shape, get married much later in life.
Even the advertising parameters of 'young' have stretched to 35.

dr beat

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2173 on: August 07, 2019, 11:58:21 AM »
EEYYYYYYY UPPPP! Its CMP 42!

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2174 on: August 07, 2019, 11:58:43 AM »
New episode has dropped on Patreon!

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2175 on: August 07, 2019, 12:13:55 PM »
As a newly-minted High-Flying Cat this is well skill news.

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2176 on: August 07, 2019, 01:14:44 PM »
Of course, if I'm sensible, I'll save this up until I'm off work next week.
If I'm sensible...

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2177 on: August 07, 2019, 06:31:50 PM »
I will do the same given the importance of the episode. It needs full attention.

Rizla

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2178 on: August 07, 2019, 06:38:24 PM »
I will do the same given the importance of the episode. It needs full attention.
Me n all. Shoved dollar down g-string so I might even hear my name read out. Unreasonably excited about this prospect, this 'cast might be the best thing I've discovered through this place, I fucking love it.

shiftwork2

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2179 on: August 07, 2019, 06:50:23 PM »
Just tucking in but the choice of month and year places it right at the heart of my pop music life and I already know most of what's to come.  Predicting a cracker.

non capisco

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2180 on: August 07, 2019, 09:28:32 PM »
Predicting a cracker.

No spoilers but, yeah, it's great. One of the episodes where the enthusing rather than the coating down are the highlights. It will also leave you asking the question WHAT DO THEY KNOW ABOUT CLIFF?

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2181 on: August 08, 2019, 04:19:04 PM »
What was the 'Futurist' fashion of the 80s?

gilbertharding

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2182 on: August 08, 2019, 05:55:29 PM »
'Futurist', if my memory serves, was what pretentious provincial schoolboys called themselves when denying that they were, or had ever been, New Romantics. It seemed to involve wearing your jumpers tucked into your bags, and a floppy feathered fringe.

This version of Futurism lasted for about a three weeks in the spring of 1983.

If you'd asked any of them about Antonio Sant'Elia or Filippo Tommaso Marinetti they'd have looked at you blankly before threatening to kick your head in.

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2183 on: August 08, 2019, 09:27:54 PM »
I get what Neil’s saying about the Stones, but trying to make them out to be more psychedelic than the Beatles is simply tommyrot.

And he calls himself a ‘critic’.

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2184 on: August 09, 2019, 03:10:52 AM »
He also ignored The Kinks when he claimed that the Stones were rawer and punkier than any other band in the mid-'60s. But man alive, his passionate, articulate, riveting case in their favour was glorious.

He's absolutely right too: Keith Richards is great, but the Stones copycats all focus on him because that's easier, on a superficial level, than trying to get to grips with what made the Stones truly amazing and unique. Jagger's lyrics, his irony and intelligence, his self-awareness, wit and sincerity, elevated the Stones far beyond mere groovy rock and roll band status. They created great art. 

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2185 on: August 09, 2019, 08:13:09 AM »
You could make a strong case for Brian Jones, such as his sitar work.

I don't know why Neil has a blind spot on The Beatles and why he is not challenged more on that by the others.

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2186 on: August 09, 2019, 08:49:30 AM »
Because there's always with these guys just a shade of having vaguely controversial opinions to show off. There just is, it's part of the fun of it.

Plus, I think it's now cool again to hate the Beatles, for the first time in about 30 years, so professional contrarians can fill their boots. 

I just want to say, for the record, that it's perfectly possible to enjoy the work of both Paul McCartney and, I don't know, Arvo Part, sometimes on the same day.

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2187 on: August 09, 2019, 09:31:46 AM »
The Beatles are good but they're no Duke Ellington.

Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2188 on: August 09, 2019, 09:52:07 AM »
I am fed up with people saying they have avoided all Glastonbury coverage this year and are somehow proud of it. Yes the main acts are pretty shit but there is so much on there will always be plenty of good stuff on

gilbertharding

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Re: Chart Music Podcast
« Reply #2189 on: August 09, 2019, 10:06:36 AM »
I've noticed that the BBC coverage was a bit less comprehensive than previously. You used to be able to press the old iPlayer button and get (almost) full sets for dozens and dozens of bands  - but this year there was a vastly shrunken list, and a choice of as-broadcast highlights packages, which you can safely assume are packed with all the terrible landfill you were trying to avoid watching.