Samples [split topic]

[Rocket Surgery]

Bumpety-bump!

There's a trailer on 6Music at the moment for Annie Nightingale's show which starts with a snippet of a hiphop track that sounded familiar, but I couldn't place it.

After driving myself mad for about 2 hours trying to remember what it was, I figured out where I recognised it from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN29odiQcDs [NSFW]

That's obviously not the original, though. Any ideas?

(I've just listened to the first Nightingale set and she played several tracks from the trailer, but not this one.)

[The Masked Unit]

^I got 5 on it, by Luniz.

[The Masked Unit]

Which I've just learnt samples a track called why you treat me so bad, by club nouveau.

[Rocket Surgery]

^I got 5 on it, by Luniz.

Fuck me, so it is!   #duncehat

[monkfromhavana]

Finally!

I love spotting samples - mainly used on old rave or jungle tunes, and have added probably thousands of spots onto various websites (Rolldabeats & Discogs) mainly. I am a sample nerd, and think nothing of spending an afternoon virtually sifting through tunes and Google and movie clips trying to find out where stuff has come from. It's also introduced me to some fantastic music that I'd never have heard without sampling.

For example:

The intro of this beauty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk_RfQmV1Zg

On

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwmeMXMfAT8

[Utter Shit]

I can spend hours and hours listening to sampled tracks and the songs they've led to. I think my favourite stuff is on Mobb Deep's The Infamous - the pitch shift to make otherwise fairly mundane tracks sound moody and threatening is just incredible.

I do a bit of sample-based production myself, nothing too complex (I'm a lot better at recognising potential samples than I am at doing anything impressive with them) but it's all here if anyone is interested - I have a record of all the samples used if anyone wants to know the originals. Also ignore the prices on them, if anyone hears anything they like and wants to use them for whatever reason I can just email them to you.

https://soundcloud.com/sobmusic-1

[monkfromhavana]

Where does Will Smith get his ideas from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amzp7W0RkPA

[doppelkorn]

Alright sample nerds:

I heard the The Message by GMF et al. is actually sampled (or contains an interpolation), but does it?

[Utter Shit]

Where does Will Smith get his ideas from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amzp7W0RkPA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqZGPIWq1Oc

doppelkorn - according to reliable and exhaustive sample database Who Sampled it only contains one sample, and even that isn't a real sample - it's just a re-working of one line from an earlier track by Grandmaster Flash. The main melody does sound like a sample to me, but I think if a song as well-known as that had a sample in it then it would be on the database. The Message has been sampled 240 times, and that's just well-known artists...mental. On a related note, I find it mental that this isn't related to The Message.

[monkfromhavana]

Which Kraftwerk tune is that sampled on that Jay-Z tune?

[monkfromhavana]

I like the Jefferson Airplane tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uokp0aEiT-A

I like this cover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKPc-DooNo

and I like the horns )from the above at 1.40):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BONgL61snlM

[buzby]

Alright sample nerds:

I heard the The Message by GMF et al. is actually sampled (or contains an interpolation), but does it?

The bassline is very similar to Zapp & Roger's 1980 single More Bounce To The Ounce.

The Sugar Hill house band's drummer Ed 'Duke Bootee' Fletcher was basically trying to copy the track for what eventually became The Message. This was a common tactic for Sugar Hill - they were sued by Rodgers & Edwards over Rapper's Delight reusing Good Times, and by Liquid Liquid for using their track Cavern on White Lines (which led to the demise of the label).
Melle Mel also reused his verse from their 1979 debut single Superrappin' for the last third of The Message.

Grandmaster Flash and the rest of the Five  had nothing to do with the track either, apart from the improvised skit at the end (Flash never appeared on any of their studio recordings, other than his mix on Adventures On The Wheels Of Steel). It was the work of Melle Mel, the Sugar Hill production team of Sylvia Robinson, Fletcher (who also raps alongside Melle Mel) and keyboard player Clifton Chase (Flash and the rest of the group disliked the track and had turned it down). When the group split due to disputes over royalties after the first album, Melle Mel added 'Grandmaster' onto his name as an obfuscation tactic.

[buzby]

Which Kraftwerk tune is that sampled on that Jay-Z tune?

The Man Machine
It's not sampled, it's replayed, a process where you pay a production company (called a replay house) to recreate a sample you want to use. This means it's effectively a cover version, so you only have to pay the original artist a publishing royalty and not the additional mechanical copyright royalty to the owners of the original recording. It's also a lot easier (and cheaper) to get a cover version cleared than a sample (in most cases the original artist/writer can't refuse permission for a cover version either).

It's used for almost all instances where a sample would have been used these days, as the sampling artist/producer gets to keep more of the royalties and it's a lot less legal hassle. Some of the engineers and producers used by replay houses do fantastic jobs of recreating the original tracks.

A good example is the Supermode (a pseudonym of the Swedish House Mafia's Angelo and Axwell)  track Tell Me Why. It originally appeared under the name Supermongo as a bootleg remix of Smalltown Boy and Tell Me Why. For the official release, Replay Heaven producer Hal Ritson recreated the samples of the two tracks, including hiring a good Jimmy Somerville impression (presumably using autotune).

[buzby]

Alright sample nerds:

I heard the The Message by GMF et al. is actually sampled (or contains an interpolation), but does it?

(Reply copied in from the other thread)

The bassline is very similar to Zapp & Roger's 1980 single More Bounce To The Ounce.

The Sugar Hill house band's drummer Ed 'Duke Bootee' Fletcher was basically trying to copy the track for what eventually became The Message. This was a common tactic for Sugar Hill - they were sued by Rodgers & Edwards over Rapper's Delight reusing Good Times, and by Liquid Liquid for using their track Cavern on White Lines (which led to the demise of the label).
Melle Mel also reused his verse from their 1979 debut single Superrappin' for the last third of The Message.

Grandmaster Flash and the rest of the Five  had nothing to do with the track either, apart from the improvised skit at the end (Flash never appeared on any of their studio recordings, other than his mix on Adventures On The Wheels Of Steel). It was the work of Melle Mel, the Sugar Hill production team of Sylvia Robinson, Fletcher (who also raps alongside Melle Mel) and keyboard player Clifton Chase (Flash and the rest of the group disliked the track and had turned it down). When the group split due to disputes over royalties after the first album, Melle Mel added 'Grandmaster' onto his name as an obfuscation tactic.

[zomgmouse]

Not sure how widespread or well-known it is, probably very, but the laughter in the Macarena comes from "Situation" by Yazoo. I thought that was a bit absurd.

[monkfromhavana]

Not sure how widespread or well-known it is, probably very, but the laughter in the Macarena comes from "Situation" by Yazoo. I thought that was a bit absurd.

That laugh has been sampled loads. I can't think of any other heavily sampled laughter other than the one off A fistful of Dollars

[Dirty Boy]

Alright, this has driven me bats for years. Anyone know where this haunting vocal sample comes from? dunno if you can Shazam it as it sounds like it's been slowed down.

https://youtu.be/pS4QHKCjO5I?t=97 (about 3:46 if time stamp doesn't work and again near the end).

[Better Midlands]

That laugh has been sampled loads. I can't think of any other heavily sampled laughter other than the one off A fistful of Dollars

Peech Boys - Don't Make Me Wait laugh had been used loads too @2m33s

https://youtu.be/aKQOjCFKX-g

[Better Midlands]

Alright, this has driven me bats for years. Anyone know where this haunting vocal sample comes from? dunno if you can Shazam it as it sounds like it's been slowed down.

https://youtu.be/pS4QHKCjO5I?t=97 (about 3:46 if time stamp doesn't work and again near the end).

The end bit reminded me of this

https://youtu.be/bW9kO5u4UmI

Sampled in Pete Rock's T.R.O.Y.

[Dirty Boy]

I forgot to mention quite a chunk of the Foetus song is taken from this song by ELO.

[monkfromhavana]

Not often you hear The Smiths sampled on a dance track

Tree of Hearts - Joy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n422pLeV9uY

[Mr Banlon]

I loved this in 1988 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05pcczvmrjc
Love this 30 years later : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2pUmfoYh7k

[Colin Sanction]

Not often you hear The Smiths sampled on a dance track

Tree of Hearts - Joy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n422pLeV9uY

The YT link is for Yolk - Bish Bosh (Original)?

[monkfromhavana]

I loved this in 1988 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05pcczvmrjc
Love this 30 years later : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2pUmfoYh7k

I like that, I never realised that that horn stab was also nicked off a Freda Payne tune. I'd also never heard Easiest Way To Fall before, great tune

Freda Payne - Easiest Way To Fall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ammfmwRLdrI

Following on from that Tree of Hearts tune, that guy was also God Within (and 1/3 of Hardkiss) who made this ELO-sampling beauty (comes in half way through). ELO were a bit miffed though, so the full release was sans sample.

God Within - Phoenix (Throw Your Guns Mix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VXmq_BigoA

[drdad]

This: https://youtu.be/RByB_Y7PrIs

and this: https://youtu.be/SLxqviKvJMA

[Better Midlands]

The YT link is for Yolk - Bish Bosh (Original)?

Threw me too, then i thought I had a Hardkiss track that sampled The Smiths and looked it up and it was the Tree Of Hearts tune that was referred to

This was great from 1990 - Dubweiser - How Soon Is Now remake, rumoured to be something to do with real early Bandulu

https://youtu.be/u1tfsMVJn60

[buzby]

Threw me too, then i thought I had a Hardkiss track that sampled The Smiths and looked it up and it was the Tree Of Hearts tune that was referred to

This was great from 1990 - Dubweiser - How Soon Is Now remake, rumoured to be something to do with real early Bandulu

https://youtu.be/u1tfsMVJn60

Have we all forgotten Hippychick by SoHo?

[monkfromhavana]

The YT link is for Yolk - Bish Bosh (Original)?

Damn you for uncovering my secret plot to surreptitiously get people listening to old hardcore rave records.

Here's the correct link.

Tree Of Hearts - Joy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu-qOFMnGvM

[monkfromhavana]

Threw me too, then i thought I had a Hardkiss track that sampled The Smiths and looked it up and it was the Tree Of Hearts tune that was referred to

This was great from 1990 - Dubweiser - How Soon Is Now remake, rumoured to be something to do with real early Bandulu

https://youtu.be/u1tfsMVJn60

As Jamie from Bandulu has posted in the comments section of that YT vid, I'd say that that idea was probably correct.

[Better Midlands]

As Jamie from Bandulu has posted in the comments section of that YT vid, I'd say that that idea was probably correct.

Good spot - confirmed after 27 years then!