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Morrissey continues.

Started by Thomas, September 18, 2017, 11:59:34 PM

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Thomas

Quote from: DukeDeMondo on October 06, 2017, 10:28:20 PM
I really like Something Is Squeezing My Skull. It took a while to grow on me, but grow on me it did. I can't remember much else about Years of Refusal. I don't think I listened to it very many times.

Yes, he gives it some welly there. He sounds rather Arctic Monkeys in his repetition of 'you swore' towards the end.

The BIG LOUD GUITARS and their characteristically flat go at ROCK MUSIC lower it for me, though. It's like a they found a copyright-free file titled 'rock-style-music.mp3' and pasted it under his vocals. I think I hate 'All You Need Is Me'.

shiftwork2

He's going grey gracefully.  This is quite hard to do, as forty-something CaBbers will attest.  Taking notes.  Quite a charismatic performance of a very perfunctory single.

Steven

Quote from: thecuriousorange on September 24, 2017, 10:26:14 PM
The new single's not a stinker. But I wish he wouldn't pronounce "news" like an American. "Nooz".


Mark Steels Stockbroker

Quote from: phantom_power on October 06, 2017, 09:10:07 AM
I always read Bengali in Platforms as being sympathetic. I saw the "life is hard enough when you belong here" being more about the feeling of disenfranchisement the titular Bengali must feel at the hands of racism and abuse but then I heard it before I knew Morrissey was an rascialist


I always thought BIP was about liberal hypocrisy - the "sympathetic" white person who is still a racist.

Thomas

I quite like this new one, Home is a Question Mark, save the sleigh bells. A return to the successfully flippant 'I dunno' lyric of Still Ill, used to lesser effect here. Not as keen on the chorus as the affectingly sung verses, but I can imagine this one coming from the productive Morrissey of the early '90s, and I like his vocal melody on the outro. Looking forwards to the cleaner studio recording.

Major degree of sweatage in the performance, too, as a bonus.

PeasOnSticks

Yeah, Home is a Question Mark is pretty good. Not so keen on the other new ones, though.

Mark Steels Stockbroker

He used the phrase "Home Is A Question Mark" in interviews circa 2004 in reference to whether he was Californian now.

Mark Steels Stockbroker

Is Boz Boorer still in the band or did they fall out?

HIAQM sounds a bit like early Suede b-sides, eg "The Big Time".

poodlefaker

Boz must be due some sort of award for sticking it out so long; no-one else has latest much beyond five years, have they?

Mark Steels Stockbroker

Quote from: poodlefaker on October 12, 2017, 12:20:25 PM
Boz must be due some sort of award for sticking it out so long; no-one else has latest much beyond five years, have they?

I've just checked this for the "how many line-up changes?" thread.

If we say that there was only a proper "line-up" when he set out for the Kill Uncle tour in 1991 (previously had employed the ex-Smiths for "band" appearances, and session players in the studio), that was: Boz, Alain Whyte, Gary Day, Spencer Cobrin. Whyte and Boz were then on all albums up to Ringleader, and Whyte had writing credits on half of Years Of Refusal but didn't tour any of it. There is an interview where he says he quit "for the same reasons Johnny Marr did - you get tired of seeing good people coming and going".

Jesse Tobias has now been around since about 2007 but haven't been as many records for him to play on.

Much improved lyrics on the second single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0tJ0rc3zKY

Might set the 'heroin' repeat bit as my work alarm

Thomas

I don't like that one, 'I Wish You Lonely', at all. 'Oh, oh, oh'. What is that?

This third single (and possible Brexit analogy), though, demonstrates a nice strong vocal and listenable music -

Jacky's Only Happy When She's Up on the Stage

I wouldn't be paying so much attention to these new songs, only I'm reading his autobiography at the moment and scoping for glimpses of the old lyrical genius. This new stuff is more than a few steps up from 'The Bullfighter Dies', to be fair.

DrGreggles

A 'friend' of mine just sent me this on the Facebook:



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Dusty Gozongas

Quote from: daf on November 07, 2017, 04:21:19 PM
Merry Xmoz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_UzBo-7m0Q

Pretty much that. Yeah.

Here we (I) am, three singles in, and all I'm getting is something that looks like a too fucking obvious marketing campaign. I feel sorry for the poor burnt out fuckers in advertising TBbrutallyH.  They die young y'know :(

Custard

I like to imagine the "Jacky" is Jackie Martling from Howard Stern

JoeyBananaduck

Quote from: Dusty Gozongas on November 07, 2017, 07:26:19 PM
Here we (I) am, three singles in, and all I'm getting is something that looks like a too fucking obvious marketing campaign.

All I'm getting is a sociopathic saddo who's surrounded by Yes Men who lack the integrity to tell their Master that he's made a big pile of poo just because they get there pay-cheques from him and he was quite good about 30 years ago.

You can scout round the Mozza forums and it's genuinely quite sad, the qualified almost apologetic statements. "Well, it's not The Queen Is Dead but nothing is". "Well it's quite good". "Well, it's good enough."

No it isn't.

Brundle-Fly

I have to reiterate I love this. One of the first times I connect with the old git.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmAi9XmlIo

Thomas

Oh dear.

Translated from an interview with Der Spiegel -

QuoteAs far as I know, he was in a bedroom with a 14-year-old. Kevin Spacey was 26, boy 14. One wonders where the boy's parents were. One wonders if the boy did not know what would happen. I do not know about you but in my youth I have never been in situations like this. Never. I was always aware of what could happen. When you are in somebody's bedroom, you have to be aware of where that can lead to. That's why it does not sound very credible to me. It seems to me that Spacey has been unnecessarily attacked.

QuotePeople know exactly what's going on. And they play along. Afterwards, they feel embarrassed or disliked. And then they turn it around and say: I was attacked, I was surprised. But if everything went well, and if it had given them a great career, they would not talk about it. I hate rape. I hate attacks. I hate sexual situations that are forced on someone. But in many cases one looks at the circumstances and thinks that the person who is considered a victim is merely disappointed.

QuoteI'm sad that Berlin has become the rape capital.
INTERVIEWER: The what? The capital of rape?
Yes. Because of the open borders.


ieXush2i

Sounds like he's had to settle out of court himself.

Neomod

Quote from: Thomas on November 18, 2017, 04:01:48 PM
Oh dear.

Translated from an interview with Der Spiegel -

Oh dear indeed.

It's going to be 'Handsome Devil' all over again.

QuoteA boy in the bush
Is worth two in the hand
I think I can help you get through your exams


Thomas

Quote from: Neomod on November 19, 2017, 03:46:27 PM
It's going to be 'Handsome Devil' all over again.

I always read 'Handsome Devil' as being about a university student - who else has a 'scholarly room'?

This interview, however, is an out-of-touch old popstar directly chatting thoughtless bollocks, and who'll then wonder, over the next few weeks, why his management couldn't get his naff new album any higher in the charts. This is what happens, Moz, when you stop watching the nooz and miss the fact that there have been many more allegations against Kevin Spacey since the one you're happy to handwave as an 'unfair attack'.

I finished reading his autobiography yesterday, which I'm glad of, because these latest comments really poisoned my interest. It starts off well enough, but his myriad Partridgean grudges become quite sad, and his boring fixation with chart positions had me rolling my eyes every time he detailed the release of a new album. It was You Are the Quarry, I think, that missed out on the top spot because of the day of the week it came out, and Years of Refusal was only pipped because the BRIT Awards were on a few days later (rather than, say, because it was shit and not enough people wanted to buy it).

And the great sagging belly of the book, of course, is the extended examination of the 1996 court case, a forty-page whine that I suspect was copied-and-pasted from his post-trial appeal. I think I'll toss the book through the open window of the next charity shop I pass.

Bit about the ghost was good, though.

Neomod

Quote from: Thomas on November 19, 2017, 04:14:25 PM
I always read 'Handsome Devil' as being about a university student - who else has a 'scholarly room'?

Yeah it is adults according to Moz. I was referring to the (faux/real) outrage it caused at the time. 

daf

Quote from: Thomas on November 19, 2017, 04:14:25 PM
these latest comments really poisoned my interest

I'm not saying it's shame he didn't actually get hit by that 'ten ton truck' 20 years ago, but . . you know - Nick Drake and all that.




Thomas

Quote from: Neomod on November 19, 2017, 04:19:42 PM
Yeah it is adults according to Moz. I was referring to the (faux/real) outrage it caused at the time.

Ah, I see, fair enough - back when his words had to be taken out of context to damn him.

Quote from: daf on November 19, 2017, 04:23:37 PM
I'm not saying it's shame he didn't actually get hit by that 'ten ton truck' 20 years ago, but . . you know - Nick Drake and all that.

I wish that, in 1997, he'd released the exceptional (and, in my opinion, pretty much masterpiece) track 'Maladjusted', but that he'd then been abducted by aliens before he could write the rest of the album or do any photoshoots, and never returned to Earth.

daf

I still love Boxers - that was his high point for me.

I'm still slightly annoyed it was thrown away on 'World of Morrissey' (one of his crap compilations which maddeningly included previously released album tracks - meaning I had to re-program the CD to edit those out every-time I wanted to listen to it).






JohnnyCouncil

Morrissey is an absolute disgrace with these (and pretty much all his other) comments. However the new album is superb.

daf

#148
Too late -

He's fucked it up,
shot his load
Spewed onto the motorway shoulder
He could have been somebody special

Benevolent Despot

Quote from: Thomas on November 18, 2017, 04:01:48 PM
Oh dear.

Translated from an interview with Der Spiegel -

I don't disbelieve any of it, it's pretty par-for-the-course Morrissey - but it's worth noting that those quotes are straight from Google auto-translate and not a professional translation.