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Film cliches you want to fuck off

Started by popcorn, September 25, 2017, 01:48:30 PM

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notjosh

Quote from: Marner and Me on January 19, 2021, 11:18:57 AM
They're right though.

Yeah, but surely we've all seen enough movies now that we know we're supposed to squeeze it? High time we all moved on to lesson 2 of gun school, imo.

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

It's an important lesson. Trigger pulling leads to falling through the bar.

JesusAndYourBush

When someone is being pursued and when they have a chance to get further away from the pursuer they'll dick about and waste time allowing the pursuer to catch up.

Happened last night in Terminator 2 (seen it umpteen times but caught the last 45 mins last night while channel hopping.)  Liquid metal cop gets the cryo splashed over him and gets smashed to bits,  Arnie and co take an absolute fucking age to finally leave the scene, allowing liquid metal cop to get himself back together.  When Arnie & co start running the cop is as far behind them as he'd been in the previous scenes, meaning the cryo-splash was all for nothing.

Quote from: icehaven on January 18, 2021, 11:22:04 PM
Someone stealing/using a car that isn't theirs finding the keys in the fold up sun visor over the driver's seat. I can't believe anyone really does this as you'd either have to leave the car unlocked or be locked out, and it's asking for it to be stolen. Even if it's supposed to be spares it's a stupid place to keep them for the same reasons. Does anyone on earth actually do this?

That was in Terminator 2 as well.


And talking of guns/triggers, when someone holds a gun sideways (usually while lying on the floor) and is still able to hit the target.  It doesn't work like that.  Because of recoil and ballistics you'd not be able to hit your target unless you'd specifically trained to shoot like this.

purlieu

Talking of chases, people running away from a car and sticking to the road. I remember this as a kid, someone was running along a forest road with a car chasing them, and asking my parents why he didn't just run into the trees where the car couldn't go. I think the answer was something along the lines of "it's just a TV programme."

Magnum Valentino


C_Larence

Quote from: the midnight watch baboon on January 13, 2021, 11:43:20 AM
Maybe it's been posted but... character backs away at the end of a taut conversation  . . . into a road! They get run over, and progress the plot!

I mean it's quite effective and pleasingly violent but it's getting a bit stale.

It's always incredibly obvious that it's going to happen too because the shot has to be wide enough to include the road behind them.

Icehaven

Quote from: JesusAndYourBush on January 19, 2021, 12:57:25 PM
When someone is being pursued and when they have a chance to get further away from the pursuer they'll dick about and waste time allowing the pursuer to catch up.

Happened last night in Terminator 2 (seen it umpteen times but caught the last 45 mins last night while channel hopping.)  Liquid metal cop gets the cryo splashed over him and gets smashed to bits,  Arnie and co take an absolute fucking age to finally leave the scene, allowing liquid metal cop to get himself back together.  When Arnie & co start running the cop is as far behind them as he'd been in the previous scenes, meaning the cryo-splash was all for nothing.

That was in Terminator 2 as well.


And talking of guns/triggers, when someone holds a gun sideways (usually while lying on the floor) and is still able to hit the target.  It doesn't work like that.  Because of recoil and ballistics you'd not be able to hit your target unless you'd specifically trained to shoot like this.

Guess what I was watching when I posted that :D Also noticed the liquid nitrogen ridiculousness (for the 30th time) too, they do completely waste it, ffs.

Nobody Soup

#2437
Quote from: icehaven on January 18, 2021, 11:22:04 PM
Someone stealing/using a car that isn't theirs finding the keys in the fold up sun visor over the driver's seat. I can't believe anyone really does this as you'd either have to leave the car unlocked or be locked out, and it's asking for it to be stolen. Even if it's supposed to be spares it's a stupid place to keep them for the same reasons. Does anyone on earth actually do this?

Added points if...

2 characters are stealing a car, street wise crook fiddles about attempting to hotwire it, naive nice guy that's been dragged into all this finds key in an obvious place.

And all such variations involving crime. breaking in to an office for info the nice guy saw in a paper or on TV or something too.

This doesn't actually annoy me, but it is over-used.

notjosh


Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: notjosh on January 19, 2021, 08:26:52 AM
First gun lesson:
"Squeeze the trigger, don't pull it."

Another gun one that irks me is when they point a gun at someone and then usually after some backchat, to show they're serious, cock the hammer.

Presumably they're using a gun that does that on the trigger pull, and if they're not, then the person who had the gun pointed at them could've booted them in the nuts or whatever.

MojoJojo

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on January 21, 2021, 11:14:58 AM
Another gun one that irks me is when they point a gun at someone and then usually after some backchat, to show they're serious, cock the hammer.

Presumably they're using a gun that does that on the trigger pull, and if they're not, then the person who had the gun pointed at them could've booted them in the nuts or whatever.

A lot of handguns are double action. Squeezing the trigger can pull back the hammer, but you also have the option of cocking the hammer separately which makes the trigger pull a lot lighter as you're not cocking it at the same time.

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on January 21, 2021, 11:14:58 AM
Another gun one that irks me is when they point a gun at someone and then usually after some backchat, to show they're serious, cock the hammer.
This reached it's nadir on Doctor Who, when David Tennant was pointing a pistol at two baddies and clicked the hammer each time he switched between them.

Blumf

Seeing as we're in a gun mood, and I think it might have already been mentioned (by me maybe):

Laser sights on guns that make a noise. A noise that changes slightly as the gun is swept about.

Brundle-Fly

Quote from: The Culture Bunker on January 17, 2021, 09:24:26 PM
Or:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESk5k2YI8TA

Blimey! It was more of a cliche than I thought. I was inspired to nominate it by watching several ITV detective dramas recently.


dissolute ocelot

Quote from: Blumf on January 21, 2021, 12:47:10 PM
Seeing as we're in a gun mood, and I think it might have already been mentioned (by me maybe):

Laser sights on guns that make a noise. A noise that changes slightly as the gun is swept about.
Also the idea that laser sights miraculously make a gun more accurate and hit exactly where it's pointing. They just show you what you're pointing at, you still have to take account of wind and drop. And they're not really visible in daylight. In reality they're mainly used by American police for the deterrent effect of pointing a laser at someone who's watched too many films, not by professional assassins or snipers (since they show exactly where you are, why would a sniper use one?).

notjosh

Isn't there a bit in one of the Lethal Weapon films where the shooter reflects the laser off a bit of metal on to someone hiding around the corner, and the bullet bounces in the exact same manner as the laser?

Marner and Me

Quote from: dissolute ocelot on January 21, 2021, 01:45:53 PM
Also the idea that laser sights miraculously make a gun more accurate and hit exactly where it's pointing. They just show you what you're pointing at, you still have to take account of wind and drop. And they're not really visible in daylight. In reality they're mainly used by American police for the deterrent effect of pointing a laser at someone who's watched too many films, not by professional assassins or snipers (since they show exactly where you are, why would a sniper use one?).
Tbf for wind and drop up to 100 it doesn't matter. You can accurately fire a hand gun upto about 40m anyway.   

dissolute ocelot

Quote from: Marner and Me on January 21, 2021, 05:34:01 PM
Tbf for wind and drop up to 100 it doesn't matter. You can accurately fire a hand gun upto about 40m anyway.
And notwithstanding the super-accurate assassin cliche, there's the equally common scene where the killer lines up the victim in their sights, and then waits 30 seconds while the hero saunters in, tells the victim his life's in danger, and then the assassin fires randomly over their heads as they run away.

Dusty Substance


This is bound to have been mentioned but I'm not gonna wade through 82 pages to check.... but I'm watching a film right which has the cliche of a brief moment of levity in an other wise tense or action packed scene.

Used a lot in James Bond films, I'm talking about the man who checks the strength of the wine he's drinking when a car chase speeds past, or the commuter who cracks "He's keen to get home" just as Bond hurries past pursuing the bad guy, or the moment when they cut to a next door neighbour banging on the wall complaining about the noise in the middle of a gun fight. There are loads of these examples. I get why they exist but they rarely work for me.


notjosh

Quote from: Dusty Substance on January 21, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
the man who checks the strength of the wine he's drinking when a car chase speeds past

This is a great film cliche - no way I'm allowing it to fuck off. It's especially good when the man chucks the glass/bottle over his shoulder to show that he's never going to drink again. And it's extraspecially good when the man is played by Francis Ford.

Bently Sheds

Quote from: Dusty Substance on January 21, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
Used a lot in James Bond films, I'm talking about the man who checks the strength of the wine he's drinking when a car chase speeds past
I could be wrong, but I'm sure that there's a scene in one of the Roger Moore Bonds where 007 drives a gondola across a packed Venetian market square where wine bloke does the strength check thing AND in the very next film Bond's driving half a Renault 11 past a Parisian café and the same wine bloke is there. I forget if he does the strength check or the bottle chuck.

dissolute ocelot

Watching Transformers. There's a scene in about 100 movies where a helicopter allied to the good guys slowly, majestically rises up the side of a building to nearly reach the hero on the roof, and then is shot down and crashes. I'm not a helicopter pilot, but I'm fairly sure it's stupid to fly between buildings (as is shown by the fact that they nearly always crash), but filmmakers sure do love that shit.

machotrouts

Quote from: Bently Sheds on January 21, 2021, 10:44:26 PM
I could be wrong, but I'm sure that there's a scene in one of the Roger Moore Bonds where 007 drives a gondola across a packed Venetian market square where wine bloke does the strength check thing AND in the very next film Bond's driving half a Renault 11 past a Parisian café and the same wine bloke is there. I forget if he does the strength check or the bottle chuck.

He makes three appearances – his first was on the beach in The Spy Who Loved Me, as the Lotus emerges from the sea.

Personally I think they should have never stopped putting him in the films. Have him slumped in the corner of the ball-whipping room in Casino Royale, quietly resigned to his increasingly disturbing wine-induced hallucinations

ProvanFan

Man hanging off the helicopter skids is another classic

purlieu

If any baffled Bond character should have returned more, it's the double-take pigeon from Moonraker.

Magnum Valentino

Quote from: purlieu on January 22, 2021, 11:14:12 AM
If any baffled Bond character should have returned more, it's the double-take pigeon from Moonraker.

Or the dog with the really judgmental expression.

Brundle-Fly

Or the fish that managed to swim into the interior of a completely sealed Lotus Esprit.

Brundle-Fly

Quote from: notjosh on January 21, 2021, 09:18:35 PM
This is a great film cliche - no way I'm allowing it to fuck off. It's especially good when the man chucks the glass/bottle over his shoulder to show that he's never going to drink again. And it's extra specially good when the man is played by Francis Ford.

The best example of this business is by Leslie Dwyer as Mr Partridge in Hi-Di-Hi when he witnesses a panto horse riding a horse.