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The Neverending Tory (Megacatastrofuck)

Started by Alberon, November 10, 2017, 06:40:39 PM

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Howj Begg

QuoteThere are some who seem to think that the right to family life should always take precedence over public interest in immigration control and when deporting foreign criminals.

There it is. The whole spiteful ideology. Who could argue with the second clause about criminals, but the wideness of the first clause allows it to be interpreted any way. Justification for punitive meanness and racist targeting.

BlodwynPig

Quote from: Howj Begg on April 19, 2018, 09:00:36 PM
There it is. The whole spiteful ideology. Who could argue with the second clause about criminals, but the wideness of the first clause allows it to be interpreted any way. Justification for punitive meanness and racist targeting.

I saw that and shook my fist. If I ever meet this Public Interest fella, he's going to get duffed up, selfish, cocky bastard.

Blumf

I quite liked Public Interest's second album It Takes a Nation of Millions to Ignore Our Crap

BlodwynPig

Quote from: Blumf on April 19, 2018, 09:36:38 PM
I quite liked Public Interest's second album It Takes a Nation of Millions to Ignore Our Crap

You're thinking of John Liedon's group Public Interest is Limited.

Blumf

Quote from: BlodwynPig on April 19, 2018, 09:38:09 PM
You're thinking of John Liedon's group Public Interest is Limited.

First of Many Issues

Buelligan

Quote from: Twit 2 on April 19, 2018, 08:14:17 PM
'Take advantage of our public services'

It's hypocrisy of that magnitude that reminds you what genuinely anoral scum the Tories are.

Or to quote the entire sentence

QuoteFinally, the Bill will clamp down on those who live and work in the UK illegally and take advantage of our public services. That is not fair to the British public and to the legitimate migrants who contribute to our society and economy.

As if people forced to work illegally don't benefit the economy.  Their work contributes to the overall work product of the UK, just as any other work does and often contributes greater benefits to unscrupulous employers, who don't pay minimum wage or make any contributions towards sick pay, pensions, etc, keeping all of that profit element to spend themselves.  If government really cared about this, they'd be doing a lot more to make sure this kind of exploitation was not as profitable as it obviously is and cracking down on the employers.

The employers will always be able to exploit vulnerable people, if you deport one, they'll just get another, the government know this and it also knows that turning a blind eye to these practices not only allows these businesses to profit but drives down wages for everyone at the bottom of the economy, increasing the tensions that produced the electorates' problem with immigration in the first place.

Buelligan

And, as if by magic,

Quote from: The BBCHundreds of thousands of the poorest families in Britain are going without basic necessities, according to two separate surveys.

Citizens Advice said as many as 140,000 households are going without power, as they cannot afford to top up their prepayment meters.

QuoteA separate survey for the Living Wage Foundation suggests a third of working parents on low incomes have regularly gone without meals, because of a lack of money.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-43827846

These people need to be supported.  These people need to be encouraged to vote.

Paul Calf

Quote from: gout_pony on April 19, 2018, 08:57:00 PM
Some will disagree, but for me this is one of the clearest signs that a society is failing at a fundamental human level.

Increasing numbers of people without access to food and basic shelter - the most fundamental of human needs - is a terrifying thing in a wealthy democracy.

The question is, how long can you continue casting people out, giving them nothing to lose, before they realise their power?

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: Buelligan on April 20, 2018, 07:02:45 AM
And, as if by magic,

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-43827846

These people need to be supported.  These people need to be encouraged to vote.

Yesterday there was a puffpiece on the 6 o clock news from Preston where they interviewed 5 people and they were all getting on fine so boom times are coming.

No mention of inequality at all. No mention of the current state of play existing due to printing money and ballooning personal debt.

Didn't fail on the grounds of bias, but of journalism.

Buelligan

I just really really grinds my gears, I know exactly what it's like to be that poor.  Only yesterday I was thinking how hard it would be if I cared about Christmas or birthdays or ever buying myself a pair of shoes or new dress, I have lovely weather though and a beautiful tranquil (mostly) environment.  If I was working as I do, for what I get and had to keep kids clean and fed and warm and fit for school and loved and all the other shit that goes with being a good parent, living in some cold wet grey hell-hole, I know I'd fail, no one, no matter how dedicated, can spin straw into gold.  And that ain't right.  People should not be forced to break themselves and still fail, everybody needs a little hope.

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: Paul Calf on April 20, 2018, 08:10:58 AM
Increasing numbers of people without access to food and basic shelter - the most fundamental of human needs - is a terrifying thing in a wealthy democracy.

The question is, how long can you continue casting people out, giving them nothing to lose, before they realise their power?

I think this is a bigger motivator for mass surveillance than the nonces and terrorists reasoning they give. I bet they're terrified of a prole uprising.

It's about time we had some civil unrest really, people have been meekly accepting the shitty end of the stick for too long.


Buelligan

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 20, 2018, 12:04:24 PM
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/ne9m9d/vice-exclusive-the-tory-council-candidate-who-supports-far-right-extremists

He's involved with Generation Identity - a really nasty international lot - they're the ones that put stickers in my village hating on Muslims just before the shootings nearby.  A really nasty group of fascist trouble-makers.

BlodwynPig

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 20, 2018, 10:24:22 AM
I think this is a bigger motivator for mass surveillance than the nonces and terrorists reasoning they give. I bet they're terrified of a prole uprising.

It's about time we had some civil unrest really, people have been meekly accepting the shitty end of the stick for too long.

Rise Up!

Buelligan

What does everyone think about Jeremy Hunt (sic) being probed after admitting breaking money-laundering rules to buy SEVEN luxury flats?  Is that OK (when most young people, including NHS workers, in the UK can't aspire to owning even one modest dwelling)?

Quote from: The GuardianAccording to the property giant Savills, each flat in the development is worth between £450,000 and £1m.

Jockice

Quote from: Buelligan on April 21, 2018, 03:11:41 PM
What does everyone think about Jeremy Hunt (sic) being probed after admitting breaking money-laundering rules to buy SEVEN luxury flats?  Is that OK (when most young people, including NHS workers, in the UK can't aspire to owning even one modest dwelling)?

Yeah, that's fine.


George Oscar Bluth II

The Windrush stuff...hundreds, maybe thousands of people affected. Lives utterly ruined in a blind pursuit of a stupid immigration target.

And no-one has resigned?

SpiderChrist

Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on April 22, 2018, 08:54:16 PM
The Windrush stuff...hundreds, maybe thousands of people affected. Lives utterly ruined in a blind pursuit of a stupid immigration target.

And no-one has resigned?

No-one even being remotely pressured to resign, either. State, mush.

BlodwynPig

Quote from: SpiderChrist on April 22, 2018, 09:02:42 PM
No-one even being remotely pressured to resign, either. State, mush.

I'm pressurising them all to resign.

greencalx

On the news at 10 on Friday night I noticed how the attitude seemed to be "oh, ok, they've apologised so nothing to see here let's move on" (though to be fair Pienaar did point out what a bloody shambles the whole thing is). It frustrates me that they know how not to take a politician at their word when it's Corbyn but seem to forget when it's Rudd or May.

This must be one of the biggest episodes of ministerial incompetence in my lifetime...

Danger Man

Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on April 22, 2018, 08:54:16 PM
The Windrush stuff...hundreds, maybe thousands of people affected. Lives utterly ruined in a blind pursuit of a stupid immigration target.

And no-one has resigned?

You only have to resign if there's some porn on your PC.

Replies From View

Quote from: greencalx on April 22, 2018, 09:15:12 PM
It frustrates me that they know how not to take a politician at their word when it's Corbyn but seem to forget when it's Rudd or May.

You know that this is by design rather than error, I hope.

Blumf

(In the The 20th CaB Corbyn thread...)
Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on April 23, 2018, 11:10:38 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-could-quit-next-month-12411093

Which would be nice, but which festering cunt will replace her?

Betfair is suggesting the Mogg is the fave, ahead of BoJo, Hunt and Rudd.

(and really, we should be talking about this in The Neverending Tory thread, so we are)

Cuellar

Quote from: Blumf on April 23, 2018, 02:05:29 PM
Betfair is suggesting the Mogg is the fave, ahead of BoJo, Hunt and Rudd.

Jesus CHRIST though.

Would the party get behind Mogg? Boris I can see, but surely Mogg is a step too far even for the Tories.

pancreas

Quote from: Cuellar on April 23, 2018, 04:13:13 PM
Jesus CHRIST though.

Would the party get behind Mogg? Boris I can see, but surely Mogg is a step too far even for the Tories.

Brexit, Trump, Mogg. Sounds perfect to me.

If Mogg gets the nod, it'll be hello PM Corbyn at the next election.

Cuellar

So when do we get to pay £5 to join the Tories and vote for Mogg? Can't see any way of that blowing up in anyone's face.

BlodwynPig

Trump and Mogg give Ivor the Engine a good polish.

idunnosomename

Rees-Mogg kind shot himself in the foot the other week by saying "my dad was right, Enoch Powell was a racist"

I THOUGHT YOU WERE ONE OF US

TURNS OUT YOU'RE JUST RICH