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"F**k my Hat, I didn't know that!" Amazing things you've only just found out

Started by daf, December 14, 2017, 08:40:45 PM

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touchingcloth

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 24, 2020, 10:04:18 PM
We talking the value of an actual 1961 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder, or the mock-up they made out of an MG?

Whichever you'd be more horrified to lose out of a window.

Sebastian Cobb

Apparently there were only 104 of those Ferrari's ever made and the film makers got angry letters from people thinking they'd destroyed a real one and it was sacrilege.

So in short, no. For a used MG, maybe, I can't be arsed totting that up.

Jockice

Phil Daniels is of the boys who threatens to set the police on Quentin Crisp at the end of The Naked Civil Servant.

famethrowa


Quote from: Ambient Sheep on May 12, 2020, 04:30:46 AM
Surely the whole Alan Melon thing is a play on famous French actor Alain Delon.

It's nice to know all those teenage years staying up to watch late night French movies on BBC2 weren't for nothing. :-)

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 24, 2020, 10:04:18 PM
We talking the value of an actual 1961 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder, or the mock-up they made out of an MG?

Quote from: Wikipedia
A barn find 1961 SWB formerly owned by French actor Alain Delon while he was making the film

What is GOING ON here??

buzby

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 24, 2020, 10:21:43 PM
Apparently there were only 104 of those Ferrari's ever made and the film makers got angry letters from people thinking they'd destroyed a real one and it was sacrilege.

So in short, no. For a used MG, maybe, I can't be arsed totting that up.
The Replica ferrari wasn't based on an MG. It was a kit car called a Modena Spyder with a tube frame chassis and Ford Mustang engine, gearbox, rear axle and brakes, and Chrysler torsion bar front suspension (it did however, use the bootlid, tail lights and front bumper from an MGB, alongside a host of other parts sourced from Fiats and VWs)

Three were commissioned for the film - a 'hero' highly finished one for shots of the whole car, a 'stunt' car for shots of the actors in the car and for stunt driving scenes and a bare body/chassis that was meant to go out of the window. A real Ferrari 250 California was also used for some exterior close-ups of the car. The two drivable cars had to be converted to automatics as Broderick couldn't drive a manual.

At the time, Modena Designs had only completed a single customer-funded prototype car, so that was loaned to the studio as the 'hero' car. However, the two drivable cars were so unreliable that they ended up using whichever one was running for filming, meaning that the 'hero' car was used for the jump scene and was damaged in the process. so had to be repaired before being returned to it's owner. The 'stunt' car (which had holes drilled in the body and chassis for camera mounts) was sold off by the studio and eventually bought back by Modena in 1988. The bare shell that went out of the window was rebuilt by Paramount and sold to Planet Hollywood and was displayed in their Minneapolis and Cancun restaurants, before also being bought back by Modena.

The 'hero' car was sold to  a UK buyer in 2003 and then was sold for $108,251 at Bonhams auction in London in 2010 to Bob Winegard (owner of Washington DC based indie label Imagen Records and fan of the film). It is now on the US National Historic Vehicle Register. The 'stunt' car was allegedly restored by Modena and sold at the Mecum Monterey auction in 2013 for $230,000.  The bare shell was allegedly built up by the owner of Modena to be his own car, but was sold at auction in January this year for $390,000,

The provenance of the two cars that have been sold off by Modena is somewhat suspect, to say the least. The car that sold in January was supposedly chassis #001, but a car with that chassis number was bought from a Florida specialist car dealer by a father and son from New Zealand in 2008.

Sebastian Cobb

I bow to your superior knowledge, bloody wired being lazy:

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The lust-worthy gear isn't just limited to Bueller's bedroom: Cameron's modernist bedroom isn't lacking in the toy department either. And that '61 Ferrari GT 250—which in most scenes was actually just a modified MG sports car—isn't half bad either. There are so many desirable objects in the movie that it's only fitting it helped popularize what is still the default song for gadget lust and other states of covetous consumerism: Yello's "Oh Yeah."


buzby

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on May 26, 2020, 11:21:25 AM
I bow to your superior knowledge, bloody wired being lazy:
They probably cribbed that from the IMCDB entry for the car, which has a quote from a French user saying it was MGB-based from 2004. A lot more info on the cars has come out since the 'hero' car was sold in 2010, and as part of the discussions about the disputed provenance of the other two cars sold since (the one sold this year, for example, did not have MGB rear lights).

One of the most obvious pointers to it being a replica in the film was the close-up of the speedometer and tachometer when they are trying to wind the miles back:

They are British-made Smiths Instruments gauges from a Jaguar E-Type, not Italian Veglia gauges that are used by Ferrari:

The 'stunt' car used different gauges again, this time the Jaeger (another brand of Smiths) speedomemter and tachometer from a Triumph TR4

Fr.Bigley

Speaking of Ferris bueller, did Broderick get off with murdering that woman?

Hand Solo

Quote from: Fr.Bigley on May 26, 2020, 12:03:00 PM
Speaking of Ferris bueller, did Broderick get off with murdering that woman?

Two women, and he only got fined for dangerous driving. Did plan on meeting the family to apologise, didn't bother and instead fronted a multi-million dollar Honda Super Bowl commercial.

Danke schoen.

Fr.Bigley

Quote from: Hand Solo on May 26, 2020, 12:24:01 PM
Two women, and he only got fined for dangerous driving. Did plan on meeting the family to apologise, didn't bother and instead fronted a multi-million dollar Honda Super Bowl commercial.

Danke schoen.

Nice guy.

studpuppet

Quote from: buzby on May 26, 2020, 10:11:56 AM
The two drivable cars had to be converted to automatics as Broderick couldn't drive a manual.

Quote from: Fr.Bigley on May 26, 2020, 12:03:00 PM
Speaking of Ferris bueller, did Broderick get off with murdering that woman?

Was going to say, why bother? He couldn't drive an automatic either...

Sebastian Cobb

I was going to suggest Broderick might be a method actor as getting away with that would be classic Ferris, but then I remembered which Ferris actress he was secretly seeing at the time.

touchingcloth

Quote from: Hand Solo on May 26, 2020, 12:24:01 PM
Two women, and he only got fined for dangerous driving. Did plan on meeting the family to apologise, didn't bother and instead fronted a multi-million dollar Honda Super Bowl commercial.

Danke schoen.

Beautiful.

Oh yeah.

They dead now.

Chk...crashed the car.

Pseudopath

Quote from: Fr.Bigley on May 26, 2020, 12:03:00 PM
Speaking of Ferris bueller, did Broderick get off with murdering that woman?

You've just reminded me of one of my favourite Facebook pages:

https://m.facebook.com/matthewbroderickscaraccident/


Fr.Bigley


Pseudopath

Quote from: Fr.Bigley on May 27, 2020, 11:20:47 AM
This made me lol for real. Thank you sir

My pleasure. Some of the contributions to that page can be a bit hit and miss, but when they hit it's fantastic.

touchingcloth

I also done a lol at that, thanks! I can imagine the miss rate is high if they're all based on actual frames from films rather than photoshops, but that chimp one is ace.

Pseudopath

Quote from: touchingcloth on May 27, 2020, 02:08:43 PM
I also done a lol at that, thanks! I can imagine the miss rate is high if they're all based on actual frames from films rather than photoshops, but that chimp one is ace.

No...most of them seem to be appropriations of other memes. For example, that tired hand-washing meme takes on new life when applied to Murderous Matthew:



I don't think they'll ever beat that chimp one though.

touchingcloth

Quote from: Pseudopath on May 27, 2020, 02:18:55 PM
I don't think they'll ever beat that chimp one though.

Oh I don't know, without actually re-watching the films then Bueller, War Games and The Producers all seem like absolute gold mines for fitting screenshots, as does his turn on 30 Rock. In my mind's eye a lot of his characters since he's been in his 30s have been meek men in suits who you could imagine were dressed up for their day in court or a visit to a solicitor.

Ferris

Former Chelsea/Man City/Monaco/PSG/Milan striker George Weah is the current president of Liberia.

buzby

Quote from: Pseudopath on May 27, 2020, 02:18:55 PM
No...most of them seem to be appropriations of other memes. For example, that tired hand-washing meme takes on new life when applied to Murderous Matthew:



I don't think they'll ever beat that chimp one though.
To be slightly fair to Broderick, he had to be cut out from the car, had a fractured leg, fractured ribs, a punctured lung, facial lacerations and concussion, and was in hospital for four weeks. Not being able to remember the event or the moments leading up to it is common in accidents involving concussion or head trauma.

Pictures of the hired BMW 316 he was driving show it had a massive impact on the front driver's side, which suggests it was an offset frontal crash, presumably because he was on the wrong side of the road and then tried to swerve back over to the left when he saw the oncoming car (which was a Volvo)

The charges he faced would have been up to the local police. He was in NI too, where the US has a bit less influence.  The Death By Dangerous Driving charge is harder to prove than Careless Driving (there was evidence that he wasn't speeding, wasn't under the influence and there were no witnesses). so they presumably thought they would go for the one that had a better chance of getting a conviction. He plead guilty to that charge, which does not carry a custodial sentence and the fine would have been mitigated through his guilty plea,

Since that accident, the charge of Causing Death By Careless Driving has been introduced which does carry a custodial sentence, and would have probably been pursued if it existed at the time. It's very similar to the recent Harry Dunn/Anne Sacoolas case, where she has been charged with Death By Dangerous Driving, but if she hadn't been whisked out of the country there would probably have been some horse-trading going on over what charge she would plead guilty to.

touchingcloth

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After murdering those two women, Matthew Broderick took pains to point out that his attack wasn't a one-time incident, and that he was definitely planning to do more. "At this point," he said, "I have committed a rash act of violence and I will leave it to you to decide if I should go further." There was, of course, no reason he couldn't go further. He could have murdered seven people at a relatively low cost and no one would have ever given a second thought.

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Matthew Broderick murdered those two women because they were Jewish. This is a fact that cannot be refuted, nor can it be disputed by anyone. Moreover, he was an admitted "servant of the Lord" according to his own written confession, and he also did the murder because the words "Steak" and "Sausages" had already been written in his mind.


Hand Solo

Say what you like about Brodders, but feasting on the souls of your victims keeps away the wrinkles:



No wonder most of that Hollywood lot eat babies.

Dusty Substance

This is something I'm sure would have been discussed at one point or another on CaB but I just found something that's properly astonished me.

I always knew the U.S and U.K versions of comic book character known as Dennis The Menace were very similar characters and had started at around the same time but it was simply down to one of those pop culture coincidences that often happen, although made less likely in the early 50s due to lack of communication - But I just read that both characters made their comic book debut on EXACTLY THE SAME DAY! 12th March 1951. Fuck my hat.


touchingcloth

Quote from: Dusty Substance on May 27, 2020, 10:40:13 PM
This is something I'm sure would have been discussed at one point or another on CaB but I just found something that's properly astonished me.

I always knew the U.S and U.K versions of comic book character known as Dennis The Menace were very similar characters and had started at around the same time but it was simply down to one of those pop culture coincidences that often happen, although made less likely in the early 50s due to lack of communication - But I just read that both characters made their comic book debut on EXACTLY THE SAME DAY! 12th March 1951. Fuck my hat.

What's properly astonished me is that I didn't realise there even was a US comic until your post, and this is in spite of me loving both the British cartoon series as a kid AND the Walter Matthau film. I'd always chalked up the lack of his stripy jumper, spiky hair and vicious dog to being just they way movies worked for some reason.

popcorn

Quote from: Dusty Substance on May 27, 2020, 10:40:13 PM
This is something I'm sure would have been discussed at one point or another on CaB but I just found something that's properly astonished me.

I always knew the U.S and U.K versions of comic book character known as Dennis The Menace were very similar characters and had started at around the same time but it was simply down to one of those pop culture coincidences that often happen, although made less likely in the early 50s due to lack of communication - But I just read that both characters made their comic book debut on EXACTLY THE SAME DAY! 12th March 1951. Fuck my hat.

Hershey's chocolate and Hershey's ice cream are two separate companies, founded in the same year in the same town. They have been suing each other ever since.

Ferris

Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on May 27, 2020, 03:07:29 PM
Former Chelsea/Man City/Monaco/PSG/Milan striker George Weah is the current president of Liberia.

Lads... George Weah.

Played for Chelsea.

Head of state of Liberia since 2018.

...nothing?

touchingcloth

Quote from: FerriswheelBueller on May 28, 2020, 12:23:53 AM
Lads... George Weah.

Played for Chelsea.

Head of state of Liberia since 2018.

...nothing?

Shit fact, I hope that old lady puts you in a bin.

Ferris