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« Reply #1140 on: September 02, 2019, 09:12:58 PM »
The actor Cary Elwes (Princess bride, Saw) has the most extraordinary family history I've ever come across

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Ivan Simon Cary Elwes was born on 26 October 1962 in Westminster, London, the youngest of three sons of portrait painter Dominic Elwes and interior designer and socialite Tessa Kennedy. He is the brother of artist Damian Elwes and film producer Cassian Elwes. His stepfather, Elliott Kastner, was an American film producer.His paternal grandfather was painter Simon Elwes, whose own father was the diplomat and tenor Gervase Elwes (1866–1921). His other great-grandfathers include the diplomat Rennell Rodd, 1st Baron Rennell and industrialist Ivan Rikard Ivanović. Elwes has English, Irish, Croatian Jewish, Serbian, and Scottish ancestry.His Croatian and Serbian roots come from his maternal grandmother, Daška McLean, whose second husband, Billy McLean, was an operative for Special Operations Executive during World War II.

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One of Elwes' relatives is John Elwes, who was believed to be the inspiration for Ebenezer Scrooge in A Christmas Carol (1843) having been referenced by Charles Dickens himself in chapter six of his last novel, Our Mutual Friend. Through his maternal grandfather, Elwes is also related to Sir Alexander William "Blackie" Kennedy, one of the first photographers to document the archaeological site of Petra following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire

This is what wiki says about his parents:

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On 27 November 1957, Geoffrey Kennedy obtained a restraining order against Elwes from Justice Sir Ronald Roxburgh, barring the couple from marrying. The High Court Tipstaff was not authorised, however, to apprehend Elwes anywhere outside England or Wales. After initially attempting to marry in Scotland while being pursued by the press. Elwes and Kennedy eloped to Havana, Cuba where they married in a civil ceremony on 27 January 1958 as guests of infamous American mobster Meyer Lansky, who provided accommodation for them at his hotel, The Habana Riviera

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When Fidel Castro's revolution threatened the stability of the country the newlyweds fled aboard a raft with two National Geographic explorers who were sailing to Miami. From there they flew to New York City where they took out a marriage licence on 31 March. On 1 April, the couple repeated the ceremony to ensure they were legally married in Manhattan's Supreme Court officiated by Justice Henry Clay Greenberg. On 15 July, the two set sail for England aboard the liner SS Liberté docking at Southampton. The following day, accompanied by his wife and an attorney, Elwes turned himself over to authorities and was transferred to Brixton Prison where he remained for two weeks while awaiting trial for contempt of court for defying the judge's order to return Miss Kennedy to her parents.

You could make a whole Netflix series out of that.

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« Reply #1141 on: September 06, 2019, 09:50:51 AM »
when 'the shining' was just finished, the studio decided to make some radio commercials to promote the flick.

they asked kubrick to suggest a voice for the spots, & he chose kenny everett, & so that's who did them.

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« Reply #1142 on: September 06, 2019, 10:22:27 AM »
Cool. Not got time to search right now, anyone got a link to them?

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« Reply #1143 on: September 06, 2019, 11:23:16 AM »
The actor Cary Elwes (Princess bride, Saw) has the most extraordinary family history I've ever come across

You shoud check out  Margaret Rutherford

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« Reply #1144 on: September 10, 2019, 06:49:21 PM »
Mattbew Broderick and Jennifer Grey were a couple during and after filming Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

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« Reply #1145 on: September 10, 2019, 07:00:02 PM »
Mattbew Broderick and Jennifer Grey were a couple during and after filming Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

Their relationship only came to light because she was in the car with him when he killed that poor mother and daughter in Enniskillen.

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« Reply #1146 on: September 10, 2019, 07:19:55 PM »
Mattbew Broderick and Jennifer Grey were a couple during and after filming Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

If you look closely you can tell they’re actually fucking in most scenes of the film and it’s been disguised with clever camera angles.

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« Reply #1147 on: September 10, 2019, 07:23:41 PM »
If you look closely you can tell they’re actually fucking in most scenes of the film and it’s been disguised with clever camera angles.

Indeed. It's often blamed for how rife incest storylines now are in porn.

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« Reply #1148 on: September 11, 2019, 01:34:12 AM »
It's weird the way her wiki page prioritises her whiplash.

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On August 5, 1987, Grey suffered severe whiplash in a car collision in Enniskillen, Northern Ireland, while vacationing with actor Matthew Broderick, who she had begun dating in semi-secrecy during the filming of Ferris Bueller's Day Off. The crash, the event through which their relationship became public, occurred when Broderick, at the wheel of a rented BMW, crossed into the wrong lane and collided head-on with a Volvo driven by a local mother and daughter, Margaret Doherty, 63, and Anna Gallagher, 28, who were killed instantly.

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« Reply #1149 on: September 11, 2019, 01:39:41 AM »
It was probably the cause of that career-ending nosejob of hers.

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« Reply #1150 on: September 11, 2019, 10:39:28 AM »
Quentin Smirhes is Sean 'ANAPHYLAXIS' Reynard

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« Reply #1151 on: September 11, 2019, 04:53:30 PM »
Quentin Smirhes is Sean 'ANAPHYLAXIS' Reynard

I have no idea who any of those people are.

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« Reply #1152 on: September 12, 2019, 06:00:02 PM »
Neville Chamberlain never resigned as Tory leader, and was still Tory leader when he died.


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« Reply #1154 on: September 14, 2019, 10:49:07 PM »
^ no way.

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« Reply #1155 on: September 15, 2019, 01:46:12 AM »
Is the obvious thing the compartment sizes?

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« Reply #1156 on: September 15, 2019, 08:00:00 AM »
The Artistic Director of the Ballet Rambert is called Benoit Swann-Pouffer.  I had to tell somebody.  Thanks.

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« Reply #1157 on: September 15, 2019, 08:16:46 AM »
The Artistic Director of the Ballet Rambert is called Benoit Swann-Pouffer.  I had to tell somebody.  Thanks.

nominative determinism is alive & well.

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« Reply #1158 on: September 15, 2019, 09:26:03 AM »


We had flat trays arranged like that in the print room of Ravensbourne College of Art & Design (this was in the early 70's). They would pack away as stacks of draws; each one containing a particular typeface of a particular size. Each tray was called a "font".

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« Reply #1159 on: September 15, 2019, 09:30:11 AM »
We had flat trays arranged like that in the print room of Ravensbourne College of Art & Design. They would pack away as stacks of draws; each one containing a particular typeface of a particular size. Each tray was called a "font".

correct- a 'font' is an instance of a 'typeface' for use at a particular size. you can't just make them bigger & smaller- it has to be done in such a way that the proportions are properly maintained.

*drawers though.

I was at ravensbourne between 1982 & 1984, & the art college in middlesbrough before that, where my enduring curiosity about type first took bold hold.

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« Reply #1160 on: September 15, 2019, 09:46:08 AM »
correct- a 'font' is an instance of a 'typeface' for use at a particular size. you can't just make them bigger & smaller- it has to be done in such a way that the proportions are properly maintained.

*drawers though.

I was at ravensbourne between 1982 & 1984, & the art college in middlesbrough before that, where my enduring curiosity about type first took bold hold.

I was there 10 years before you (at the Wharton Road annexe, which led me to meeting a guy from the TV course who introduced me to recording studios and led to me becoming a recording engineer) Only recently (and OT) I realised that I had done the same course as David Bowie at Ravensbourne and probably had some of the same tutors. Don Bewlay, who taught me life drawing, was the father of the Bewlay brothers (two guys who were involved in Bowie's arts lab in Beckenham) who Bowie named his publishing company and a song after. I met one of the brothers when he posed as one of our models in his father's class.

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« Reply #1161 on: September 15, 2019, 09:58:24 AM »
I was there 10 years before you (at the Wharton Road annexe, which led me to meeting a guy from the TV course who introduced me to recording studios and led to me becoming a recording engineer) Only recently (and OT) I realised that I had done the same course as David Bowie at Ravensbourne and probably had some of the same tutors. Don Bewlay, who taught me life drawing, was the father of the Bewlay brothers (two guys who were involved in Bowie's arts lab in Beckenham) who Bowie named his publishing company and a song after. I met one of the brothers when he posed as one of our models in his father's class.

I was at that bit too, near the red lion.... it closed not long after I left & the tv course moved to chislehurst, part-funded by the then-new C4. was chan's caf there when you were there?

the course was threatened with closure by the round of further/higher education budget cuts then happening, & ravensbourne responded (to demands that it cut its budget by 20%) by offering up the broadcast engineering course or the fine art department for closure. the tv industry (mostly ITV, it has to be said, as the beeb were a bit sniffy about the ravensbourne course curriculum) lobbied for the engineering course & ramped up their equipment donations (a trio of old ampex VR2000s & an edit system arrived from birmingham, & two of us were tasked with getting it to work).

the students up the road at chislehurst rebelled- this would be the first large art college with no fine art department. there was a prolonged sit-in, with admin staff locked out of the main college buildings for several weeks, during which our grant cheques were inaccessible. the local banks were surprisingly sympathetic. it all came out in the wash.

a bloke in the year below me had wangled his way onto the course purely to pursue a sort of bowie pilgrimage. he'd followed the dame all over europe for the 'serious moonlight' tour & now wanted to haunt various bits of bromley. he didn't stay the course.

so I lived in the halls (now gone) on wanstead road. a fellow northerner & I would dash up the road for last orders at the new hackwood hotel (also gone) where they had sam smith's on draught.

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« Reply #1162 on: September 15, 2019, 10:05:21 AM »
correct- a 'font' is an instance of a 'typeface' for use at a particular size. you can't just make them bigger & smaller- it has to be done in such a way that the proportions are properly maintained.

If someone asks you about fonts when they mean typeface, do you bother to correct them or do you feel like the battle (and point) is lost now?

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« Reply #1163 on: September 15, 2019, 10:20:47 AM »
If someone asks you about fonts when they mean typeface, do you bother to correct them or do you feel like the battle (and point) is lost now?

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in telly, they've been used interchangeably for so long by 'clients' of tv graphics people that it's almost a lost cause. amongst ourselves, though, those of us in the know (& who require third-party library software to manage our collections of faces) will still fight the corner, speaking in hushed tones of glyphs, drops, weights, extended ascii & so on. I've even made typefaces a couple of times, one from my handwriting & one by scanning individual characters from the letraset catalogue when the face we wanted wasn't available for the machine (abekas A72) we were using. this was for 'dance energy' back in 1990.

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« Reply #1164 on: September 15, 2019, 10:26:00 AM »
I was at that bit too, near the red lion.... it closed not long after I left & the tv course moved to chislehurst, part-funded by the then-new C4. was chan's caf there when you were there?

Used to eat in Chan's and play lots of pinball.

Funny you should mention the Red Lion, as during my time there it was regarded as "off limits" to us students; the kind of pub where everything would go silent if you entered, only broken with conversation between the locals about how despicable young people & students from the college were (generation gap nostalgia).

We used to frequent the White Horse or the Freelands Tavern, the latter having a bar billiards table and a shove ha'penny board as well as the usual darts, and occasionally look in the overcrowded (mostly with the TV crowd) Anglesey Arms.


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« Reply #1165 on: September 15, 2019, 10:35:23 AM »
ISWYTD

in telly, they've been used interchangeably for so long by 'clients' of tv graphics people that it's almost a lost cause. amongst ourselves, though, those of us in the know (& who require third-party library software to manage our collections of faces) will still fight the corner, speaking in hushed tones of glyphs, drops, weights, extended ascii & so on. I've even made typefaces a couple of times, one from my handwriting & one by scanning individual characters from the letraset catalogue when the face we wanted wasn't available for the machine (abekas A72) we were using. this was for 'dance energy' back in 1990.

Were you doing the TV course, then (I have to guess you were)? I was on the graphics course but used to hang around with some of the TV students. Did the TV course cover printing and lettering as well?
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« Reply #1166 on: September 15, 2019, 10:38:19 AM »
Is the obvious thing the compartment sizes?

No. Upper and lower case. As you all were.


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« Reply #1168 on: September 15, 2019, 10:50:08 AM »
There are upper and lower case digits as well!



https://www.quora.com/Why-don%E2%80%99t-lowercase-and-uppercase-numbers-exist

Be sure to start a number with one of the upper case if it's a name.

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« Reply #1169 on: September 15, 2019, 10:52:15 AM »
Be sure to start a number with one of the upper case if it's a name.

2pac.

Does the Prince symbol have a lowercase version?