Bond

[Blumf]

I can see a resemblance to Fleming's original conception of Bond

[non capisco]

Connery and Craig look like they could handle themselves in a case of punch-ups but the other four, not so much.

Lazenby as well IMO, admittedly aided by the most ridiculous action foley work in the series and perhaps all of cinema, punches sounding like gunshots.

Not fussed with the Hardy choice if true but that may be because the last film I saw him in was that terrible Al Capone one where he's dying of syphilis in a fat suit and a nappy. Maybe that's where they're going to take the Bond franchise, he must be crawling with VD after all.

[dissolute ocelot]

I'd like to think they asked Idris Elba, but he said "Nah, mate, too busy working on my music".

I am sure Tom Hardy will be adequate. He can probably hold a glass while wearing a tuxedo and can certainly stand still in front of a greenscreen.

[Phil_A]

I like Tom Hardy as an actor but I feel he did most of his best work early in his career(e.g. Stuart: A Life Backwards, Bronson) and has subsequently been coasting along.

[greenman]

The John Wick films are quite fun though aren't they? I'd be happy with that as Bond films have always 'borrowed' from whatever is going on at the time.

The Wick films are also fairly cheap by Hollywood standards which might be attractive in the current enviroment.

[Puce Moment]

Michael Lonsdale died. He was great in many films, but he is magnificent in Moonraker. I don't want to thread-shit but I hate Bond films except for Moonraker and that is in large part due to all the scenes with Lonsdale. He is so good in it.

[jobotic]

I mainly know Tom Hardy from CBeebies Bedtime Stories, where he does a passable Bond.

[Shit Good Nose]

Michael Lonsdale died. He was great in many films, but he is magnificent in Moonraker. I don't want to thread-shit but I hate Bond films except for Moonraker and that is in large part due to all the scenes with Lonsdale. He is so good in it.

Probably THE shittest Bond villain death though.

[Puce Moment]

I'm sure it is - although I have seen Casino Royale which, you know...

[non capisco]

'Ah, Mr. Bond. You appear with the tedious inevitability of an unloved season.' is a good bit of dialogue for a Bond film, especially one that also features a double taking pigeon.

[Puce Moment]

The attack dogs scene is like something from The Omen or an Argento film. I know proper Bond-heads usually hate on Moonraker but I think it pisses over every other Bond I've seen from a great height.

[Mr Banlon]

Always thought Laurence Harvey would have been a good Bond

[imitationleather]

I think Andrew Neil would be a good shout.

[thecuriousorange]

Maybe as a Gamesmaster-style mega villain.

[non capisco]

The attack dogs scene is like something from The Omen or an Argento film.

There's also that scene with Jaws approaching down the street in full masked Brazilian carnival costume which is simultaneously ridiculous and sort of disquieting. It's a funny old film, Moonraker, except when it's trying to be.

[El Unicornio, mang]

I don't find it that bad until the laser/space stuff they tacked on for the second half to cash in on the Star Wars craze. They basically just used the baddie's name from the novel, so that one could be used as the basis for a future film.

[Noodle Lizard]

I'm still fucked over the head by the Moonraker "Mandela Effect" of Jaws's little blonde girlfriend not having braces. That and The Spy Who Loved Me were the first Bond films I had on VHS, I watched them endlessly, and she absolutely DID have braces. I asked my dad about it an' all, he remembers the same thing. That scene where they meet makes no sense otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKptMhaTiYI

[Puce Moment]

My head is fucked now. What?

[Noodle Lizard]

My head is fucked now. What?

Yes! A lot of the Mandela Effect stuff is a bit of a stretch, or clearly attributed to false memory (slight misquotations of movies becoming more well-known than the originals, slight variations in logos etc.), but I can't begin to explain how much this one bothers me.

EDIT: Fucksake, I remember when I had to get braces around the age I was really into Bond films and I was worried about how they'd look and my parents pointed to her in that scene and said "they'll look like that". I also remember wondering whether her braces would get stuck on his metal teeth through magnetism when they kissed or something (I was 9 or so). Drives me absolutely mad.

[greenman]

The attack dogs scene is like something from The Omen or an Argento film. I know proper Bond-heads usually hate on Moonraker but I think it pisses over every other Bond I've seen from a great height.

I'd guess it was always top of the list to be hated by driving glove wearing viewers who considered Bond a serious spy thriller(although something like You Only Live Twice is much camper IMHO). I'd say a bit more uneven than The Spy Who Loved Me with Jaws becoming a bit too cheesey but also some of the best over the top Bond scenes as well and maybe the best ever soundtrack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IKahbz75xo

[Polymorphia]

I'm still fucked over the head by the Moonraker "Mandela Effect" of Jaws's little blonde girlfriend not having braces

I thought she had braces as well, and I only watched Moonraker much more recently (2018) not knowing much more about the film than "Bond and Jaws in space", but maybe I was affected by cultural osmosis or something

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

Yes! A lot of the Mandela Effect stuff is a bit of a stretch, or clearly attributed to false memory (slight misquotations of movies becoming more well-known than the originals, slight variations in logos etc.), but I can't begin to explain how much this one bothers me.

EDIT: Fucksake, I remember when I had to get braces around the age I was really into Bond films and I was worried about how they'd look and my parents pointed to her in that scene and said "they'll look like that". I also remember wondering whether her braces would get stuck on his metal teeth through magnetism when they kissed or something (I was 9 or so). Drives me absolutely mad.

This is very strange because I would have sworn she wore braces also, and it certainly isn't though any cultural osmosis or discussion of the character Dolly from Moonraker with others. Multiple cuts? Has this been authoritatively investigated anywhere? I need an answer!

Alternatively, is there another scene in one of the two Jaws movie where he encounters someone with braces?

[Noodle Lizard]

I thought she had braces as well, and I only watched Moonraker much more recently (2018) not knowing much more about the film than "Bond and Jaws in space", but maybe I was affected by cultural osmosis or something

That lends credence to the argument that viewers have filled in that detail because it's the only way the scene makes any sense. Even if that is the correct explanation, it's seriously fucking strange given how vivid my own memories of it are, as well as those of almost everyone else you point it out to. Everything about the scene is geared towards that being the visual punchline.

This is very strange because I would have sworn she wore braces also, and it certainly isn't though any cultural osmosis or discussion of the character Dolly from Moonraker with others. Multiple cuts? Has this been authoritatively investigated anywhere? I need an answer!

That video I linked to goes into it a bit. The actress herself supposedly confirmed that she never wore braces, but there exist other artifacts (old web discussions, official character descriptions, parody commercials with Richard Kiel etc.) which suggest it was well-known that she did. The main thing is the sheer amount of people who not only have recollection of it themselves, but also remember talking to others about it specifically at the time.

Alternatively, is there another scene in one of the two Jaws movie where he encounters someone with braces?

Nope!

[El Unicornio, mang]

That scene where they meet makes no sense otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKptMhaTiYI

I think that's why it's such a popular example of Mandela Effect, our memories aren't entirely reliable as they create what we think something should be based on what we're seeing in our mind's eye. It makes sense that we remember it that way because she really should have braces for the scene to work, but that's not how it is. It's actually not that weird when you think about it.

I clearly remember this pic in a James Bond book I had as a kid, which I must have read cover to cover over 100 times. I probably put braces on it in my mind based purely on that meeting they have in the film.

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

To be fair, I guess most of my initial Moonraker viewings came via an old VHS and CRT TV that probably made it impossible to tell whether she was wearing braces or not.

[Noodle Lizard]

I think that's why it's such a popular example of Mandela Effect, our memories aren't entirely reliable as they create what we think something should be based on what we're seeing in our mind's eye. It makes sense that we remember it that way because she really should have braces for the scene to work, but that's not how it is. It's actually not that weird when you think about it.

It is when I have a vivid memory of my parents literally pointing to her as we were watching it and saying "that's what your braces will look like". Unless my memory's completely fucked, but my parents have the same one. They're old and doddery now, mind.

To be fair, I guess most of my initial Moonraker viewings came via an old VHS and CRT TV that probably made it impossible to tell whether she was wearing braces or not.

That's the only thing I can think of, since I became familiar with it on VHS. But people have uploaded VHS rips and it's still pretty clear that she doesn't have braces in them.

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

Her wire frame glasses and the heavy emphasis on teeth (I guess the actual joke was supposed to be that she is the opposite of Jaws, short and with perfect teeth) may have also contributed to some weird mental amalgamation.

Our brains are fickle and weak!

[Ray Cathode]

It is when I have a vivid memory of my parents literally pointing to her as we were watching it and saying "that's what your braces will look like".

Turns out your cruel parents must have actually been pointing to Jaws himself.

I'm reluctant to dismiss my own memory of her having braces, because of course she bloody did. Isn't it how Bond gets Jaws to turn on Hugo Drax? A crazed and unfeeling eugenicist who wants to drive to Barnard Castle to test his eyesight create a space society of 'perfect' arian hotties he can rule over himself to help him get over his vague resemblance to the lead singer of The Maisonettes? Sorry Jaws, no uggos allowed I'm afraid and that lass you've started knocking around with lately can't come in either on account of her BRACES. No, no, no, this is a muffet of tea situation. It has to be.

I mean...next you're going to try telling me that C3PO had one silver leg!

[batwings]

I def remember Dolly having braces. Saw Moonraker in the cinema and taped it off the telly when it was first shown. Saw it loads of times. Only thing I can suggest is maybe there was a parody done on a tv show in which she had braces and people like me are confusing the two?

[Puce Moment]

I'm embarrassed to say that I have been previously a total Mandela Effect cynic; dismissing it as some modern social media / BuzzFeed bullshit.

With the exception of Who Dares Wins, The Wild Geese and Psychomania, I think Moonraker was the film I watched most as a kid because they were the only films I had videotaped off the TV. And I mean I would sit 12" away from the screen loving every second.

I remember my mate Andrew getting braces not long after.

"Be careful, Jaws might fall in love with you hehe"
"Yeah! Hehe."

Fucksakes.