Bond

[Noodle Lizard]

I'm embarrassed to say that I have been previously a total Mandela Effect cynic; dismissing it as some modern social media / BuzzFeed bullshit.

With the exception of Who Dares Wins, The Wild Geese and Psychomania, I think Moonraker was the film I watched most as a kid because they were the only films I had videotaped off the TV. And I mean I would sit 12" away from the screen loving every second.

I remember my mate Andrew getting braces not long after.

"Be careful, Jaws might fall in love with you hehe"
"Yeah! Hehe."

Fucksakes.

It's the only one I can relate to at all. A lot of the others seem to be a result of cultural osmosis (i.e. Dirty Harry's misworded "do you feel lucky, punk?" line in countless other media) or slightly confusing spellings/pronunciations (Berenstain Bears, Kit Kat not having a hyphen in it etc.)

This one is properly bizarre not only because of my (and countless others') very vivid memories of it, but also because the scene NOT having that detail in it makes it utterly nonsensical. Kit Kat could be hyphenated or not, either is completely plausible, but the "official" version of that scene in Moonraker is mad bollocks compared to the one everyone remembers. Down to their performances - she's even kind of deliberately hiding her teeth right up until he reveals his, and then it's a long reveal of her own teeth. If she was never supposed to have braces, I can't fathom why you'd film the scene that way.

[Dr Rock]

but also because the scene NOT having that detail in it makes it utterly nonsensical.

He's very big and she's only little. From there the humour arises.

Down to their performances - she's even kind of deliberately hiding her teeth right up until he reveals his, and then it's a long reveal of her own teeth. If she was never supposed to have braces, I can't fathom why you'd film the scene that way.

At first she's a bit scared and hesitant as he's a big monster man.

[Ray Cathode]

Also Oddjob was a chatty fucker who was always going on about how he never wore a hat.

[Hand Solo]

Or when Oddjob did those rapes.

[Blumf]

"That's not a hat, this is a hat!" - Oddjob, in Thunderball

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

My friend was talking shit and tried to deny that Oddjob wields a penis pump in Goldfinger.

[Shit Good Nose]

I think the braces thing came about because the old pan and scan prints most of us grew up with on TV and video were very dark and gloomy and in the scene where she's introduced when she first starts to smile, before the camera cuts back to her for the big smile, it looks a bit like she's wearing them (in fact even in remastered prints it's still quite dark - 21-24 secs in this vid [which also covers the Mandela Effect in this instance]), exacerbated by some internet wag adding them with whatever CG tool they used and then fiddled about with it more to make it look like an old VHS video.

FWIW the actress herself has confirmed that she never wore braces for any part of her scenes.

[Captain Z]

But she would say that.

[Blumf]

FWIW the actress herself has confirmed that she never wore braces for any part of her scenes.

How does she know? Is she a qualified orthodontist!?

[Shit Good Nose]

How does she know? Is she a qualified orthodontist!?

I think she asked Richard Kiel via a medium.

[Bad Ambassador]

If anything, he was a large.

[thecuriousorange]

Is there a reason why Oddjob was so tiny in Goldeneye for the N64? Did someone working on the game confuse him with Nick Nack?

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

Is there a reason why Oddjob was so tiny in Goldeneye for the N64? Did someone working on the game confuse him with Nick Nack?

Ha, that's actually a very good question that I've never considered. Harold Sakata was 5'10"

[lipsink]

I actually don't mind 'Moonraker' either. I think Moore should've only done the first 4 films as he's visibly way too old for the following 3 movies.

[Old Nehamkin]

Moonraker rules and every single thing that Hugo Drax says or does is brilliant.

[lipsink]

I feel like there's been a reappraisal of Moore's Bond in the last few years. He was always quite hated by a lot of purists who preferred Connery and a lot of his films were seen as camp and silly. Honestly, though I don't think he really made any particularly bad ones (A View To A Kill still has Grace Jones and Walken being brilliant) and he fucking owns the role. He almost seems more definitive as Bond than Connery to me now. I remember thinking when Casino Royale came out that Craig was going to be far and away the best Bond and was going to completely redefine the role. Sadly with the more films he's made I don't think he's quite pulled it off. It's still Connery and Moore way ahead.

[Shit Good Nose]

I feel like there's been a reappraisal of Moore's Bond in the last few years. He was always quite hated by a lot of purists who preferred Connery and a lot of his films were seen as camp and silly. Honestly, though I don't think he really made any particularly bad ones (A View To A Kill still has Grace Jones and Walken being brilliant) and he fucking owns the role. He almost seems more definitive as Bond than Connery to me now. I remember thinking when Casino Royale came out that Craig was going to be far and away the best Bond and was going to completely redefine the role. Sadly with the more films he's made I don't think he's quite pulled it off. It's still Connery and Moore way ahead.

Yep, Moonraker particularly, which was often the whipping boy of the Bond franchise (even above Octopussy).

I said earlier in the thread that, whilst I'm no Bond fan (there are literally only a few I like), the Moore Bonds are much more memorable - describe a scene from a Moore Bond and I'll know exactly which film it's from.  Do the same with a Connery, Brosnan or Craig Bond and I'll struggle.

[Puce Moment]

I've never seen a Brosnan Bond film and only one Craig, but I have always assumed that fave Bonds are somewhat based on age. Is that wrong? I know Connery Bonds are tonally better, and the campness of Moore (plus some attempts to be 'trendy') is off-putting to many, but I assume I have a fondness for Moore cos I was born in the early 70s.

I find Dr No interminably boring.

[El Unicornio, mang]

I think Moore was probably my favourite as a kid growing up in the 80s (when they were shown on TV more than any others) but not anymore. I still enjoy the camp and raised eyebrows and Moore's voice but they do feel more like comedies/Bond parodies at times. But, that's one of the things I like about the Bond films, each of the actors caters to a different taste (or mood). Sometimes I'd rather watch The Man With the Golden Gun or Octopussy over the more serious ones. Good Sunday afternoon hangover fare.

[gilbertharding]

I feel like there's been a reappraisal of Moore's Bond in the last few years. He was always quite hated by a lot of purists who preferred Connery and a lot of his films were seen as camp and silly. Honestly, though I don't think he really made any particularly bad ones (A View To A Kill still has Grace Jones and Walken being brilliant) and he fucking owns the role. He almost seems more definitive as Bond than Connery to me now. I remember thinking when Casino Royale came out that Craig was going to be far and away the best Bond and was going to completely redefine the role. Sadly with the more films he's made I don't think he's quite pulled it off. It's still Connery and Moore way ahead.

Is there a scene in Octopussy where Roger is astride a bannister, and spots a huge carved pineapple at the bottom which is about to do him an enormous mischief, so he shoots it to pieces with his sub-machine gun, nullifying the threat before it nullifies him?

I'm sure I remember it happening in the cinema, but never in any of the regular ITV screenings.

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

I've never seen a Brosnan Bond film and only one Craig, but I have always assumed that fave Bonds are somewhat based on age. Is that wrong? I know Connery Bonds are tonally better, and the campness of Moore (plus some attempts to be 'trendy') is off-putting to many, but I assume I have a fondness for Moore cos I was born in the early 70s.

I find Dr No interminably boring.

GoldenEye is easily the best Bond film.

(But yes, I probably only think that because I was the right age when it came out.)

[Puce Moment]

GoldenEye is easily the best Bond film.

(But yes, I probably only think that because I was the right age when it came out.)

I nearly watched that because I'm a Fassbinder nerd and Gottfried John is in it - but, no, I couldn't do it.

One more thing before I leave this thread to those that truly like those films - it's 2020 and the baddie in the new Bond has facial scarring right? I mean, that's so shit I don't know where to start. I thought the Our Friends in the North reboot of Bond was going to do away with shit cliches.

[rack and peanut]

Is there a scene in Octopussy where Roger is astride a bannister, and spots a huge carved pineapple at the bottom which is about to do him an enormous mischief, so he shoots it to pieces with his sub-machine gun, nullifying the threat before it nullifies him?

I'm sure I remember it happening in the cinema, but never in any of the regular ITV screenings.

That's definitely a real thing, not sure if it's Octopussy though.

[Bernice]

Is it not A View to a Kill?

[Old Nehamkin]

Nah it's Octopussy. Behold:

https://youtu.be/YqtWztasBW4

[lipsink]

It was definitely on the ITV screening cos I had it taped from there and watched it a million times.

Craig is incredibly good at doing that subtle acting with his eyes where he doesn't even have to say anything. He's possibly the best of all the Bonds at doing this (Connery does it well too) There's a bit in Skyfall where he's doing the word association and the shrink says 'Skyfall' and Craig barely even changes his expression but you can tell the word has tapped into something hidden really deep. It's phenomenal acting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ALlJJT62VA

There's also the beginning of 'Casino Royale' and his reaction to "Made you feel it, did he?". The look on his eyes. Ouch.

I also couldn't imagine any of the other Bond's doing as good a job as Craig of reacting

Spoiler alert

to Vesper dying

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in Casino Royale.

[Bad Ambassador]

One more thing before I leave this thread to those that truly like those films - it's 2020 and the baddie in the new Bond has facial scarring right? I mean, that's so shit I don't know where to start. I thought the Our Friends in the North reboot of Bond was going to do away with shit cliches.

It'll be the fourth scarred or odd-looking villain in the five Craig films.

[Puce Moment]

Thank goodness there is no social stigma attached to facial scarring or this new Bond would look like a load of old cunt.

[Blumf]

Craig is incredibly good at doing that subtle acting with his eyes where he doesn't even have to say anything. He's possibly the best of all the Bonds at doing this (Connery does it well too)

I think Craig has been a great Bond, but he's been let down by dreary stories. I know they want to be as far away from double-taking pigeons as possible, but all his films have been "You're too old, Bond", "Nobody here at MI6 likes you mate", "You're shit, aaaah". All the sexy ladies are abuse victims, and the baddies are mostly forgettable (I think Javier Bardem stood out the most, but otherwise, meh. Even Waltz was naff, that shouldn't be possible!).

In short, there's no happy memories when you leave the cinema.

[Noodle Lizard]

I think Craig has been a great Bond, but he's been let down by dreary stories. I know they want to be as far away from double-taking pigeons as possible, but all his films have been "You're too old, Bond", "Nobody here at MI6 likes you mate", "You're shit, aaaah". All the sexy ladies are abuse victims, and the baddies are mostly forgettable (I think Javier Bardem stood out the most, but otherwise, meh. Even Waltz was naff, that shouldn't be possible!).

In short, there's no happy memories when you leave the cinema.

Bond's always been a bit of a sponge for whatever else is going on in popular movies/TV etc., so it's not wholly surprising that Craig-era Bond is what it is given what's surrounded it. Casino Royale was made when the Bourne series had set the tone for modern spy films, and then Batman Begins and The Dark Knight set the tone for pretty much every action/drama that followed for the next ten years. I think Skyfall especially is basically Bond's attempt at doing a Nolan Batman. Then the Marvel movies took the limelight, and so we got ... Spectre, with its banter and memes.

I wonder if the somewhat unexpected success of the John Wick films might have influenced this new one. Might at least make for some more OTT action sequences.